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Post by britishbulldog on Jan 7, 2013 21:12:42 GMT -5
To me the fact that Korn is considered in this group is funny. I consider them a heavier version of FNM. Their first album broke in what 94, 95? First band to include a seven string guitar. I hate the Nu Metal description anyway. Godsmack never rapped. Disturbed didn't rap even if they were very rhythmic in their approach. Metal is metal, hard rock is hard rock. Most of it was better than anything from the I can't play, sing, or do anything but whine that was grunge.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jan 7, 2013 22:12:14 GMT -5
Crapping on whining, bad singing and bad playing as staples of Grunge in a thread about Nu Metal doesn't make much sense to me
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Since we're onto 'Grunge' - I don't think I heard a single note of music throughout Nu Metal's bizarre rise to glory and slow descent to mockery that could manage to match the chaos and power this band did with the two notes you'll hear that run through School, and especially in this video.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 7, 2013 22:59:28 GMT -5
To me the fact that Korn is considered in this group is funny. I consider them a heavier version of FNM. Their first album broke in what 94, 95? First band to include a seven string guitar. So many things need to be pointed out, but I'll focus on what's above. Korn don't sound like faith no more. They were influenced by them their sound is far different(plus I know Mike Patton isn't exactly fond of them). And the seven string electric guitar was around decades before korn used it. The droning sound made by using the seven string was first used by death metal bands. What Korn did was be among the first to use the heavy distortion to make a more mellow sound. And of course the ones to make the seven string popular.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jan 7, 2013 23:53:50 GMT -5
I always kind of crossed my eyes when people said/say that Gravity Kills, Stabbing Westward and Pitchshifter are Nu Metal. Filter too for that matter.
80's is legit Emo, not 90's, that is when it started warping and becoming pop rock, rather than the melodic hardcore it started as.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 7, 2013 23:56:08 GMT -5
I'll be honest I've kinda come back around to it, at least, some of the better bands. I wouldn't have ever discovered heavy metal if not for nu metal serving as a gateway, so I can't really hate it. and some albums (the first and 3rd Korn albums, the first Slipknot album) are legitimately great. the main flaw with the genre was largely over-exposure and too many samey-sounding bands, which to be honest is something that happens to every "popular" heavy metal genre at some point (same thing happened to Metalcore, and then *ugh* Deathcore). the originators were legitimately good bands (I LOVE the Deftones, and I still rock a lot of the bigger Metalcore bands like Unearth and Shadows Fall) but they ended up getting over-taken by bands who were largely terrible (Linkin Park, Trivium). THIS. I was in middle-to-high school during the rise of Nu Metal (or whatever you want to call metal from 97-ish to the early 2000's), and because of this, will defend Nu Metal to my dying day. I loved (and still like) Limp, Korn, Disturbed, and the like. If it wasn't for Nu Metal, there's no way I would have discovered bands like Faith No More (outside of Epic), and I wouldn't have gotten into thrash and all the other countless subgenres of metal.
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Post by zeez on Jan 8, 2013 0:02:41 GMT -5
Sometimes I've heard the term broken up into Rap metal (Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park) and alternative metal (every band that didn't have rapping in it). So that's a little better.
This happens when any genre of music gets big. Every new band that catches on somehow gets thrown in with everyone else even if they sound next to nothing like what the label implies. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are lumped into grunge but they really don't fit that label either. You can't explain the sound of a popular band so you just look to whatever the popular style is and say "close enough." It happens all the time.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 8, 2013 0:05:40 GMT -5
Sometimes I've heard the term broken up into Rap metal (Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park) and alternative metal (every band that didn't have rapping in it). So that's a little better. This happens when any genre of music gets big. Every new band that catches on somehow gets thrown in with everyone else even if they sound next to nothing like what the label implies. Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are lumped into grunge but they really don't fit that label either. You can't explain the sound of a popular band so you just look to whatever the popular style is and say "close enough." It happens all the time. Reminds me of nine inch nails being called alternative during the mid 90s.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 8, 2013 0:10:47 GMT -5
Man I used to be suuuuuuch a big Linkin Park fan. Now......eh. And it isn't just their new stuff. I have a hard time finishing their old stuff when it pops up on Pandora, too.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 8, 2013 0:11:32 GMT -5
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 8, 2013 0:15:37 GMT -5
Oh there was a LOT of stuff getting the "alt-rock" tag slapped on it. I remember the likes of Alanis Morisette, Toad the Wet Sprocket, Dogs Eye View, Dishwalla, Marilyn Manson, RATM, No Doubt, Stabbing Westward, Gravity Kills, and Beck getting that label, despite the fact that the first four bands were pop, manson, westward, and GK were industrial leaning towards metal, RATM was rap-metal, No Doubt were ska, and Beck was, well, whatever he wanted to be. It became a catch-all term for anything that wasnt pop-rock, metal (and as you can see, even those genres werent immune), rap, Country, or R&B.
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Post by Krazee on Jan 8, 2013 0:16:51 GMT -5
i used to love Limp Bizkit, then there was a point in time where i didnt like them, now i love them again
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Post by J.O.B. Squad on Jan 8, 2013 0:33:24 GMT -5
I remember when all the bands that were considered Nu metal would come out with cheap albums like every other month.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 8, 2013 3:04:01 GMT -5
nu-metal to me was always a gateway metal like you a dumb kid in your early teens, you saw Fred Durst or Jonathan Davis rocking out on the tv or hear them on the radio and think they are good so you save your money and check out their stuff and buy music mags and stuff like that from their you find out about heavier acts like Slayer and Pantera or old acts like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden or even furth with Black Metal and Death Metal bands and from there you branch out more to find something your really like and leave Nu Metal behind at least thats how i did it I had a similar experience. My Dad's musical preferences nudged me further towards actual metal. My tastes have diverged heavily since then, but I have a slight soft spot for Disturbed, Mushroomhead, and Sevendust. Honestly, nu-metal really is crap. It's the bastard child of the alternative rock and metal that preceded it like Faith No More, Pantera, Biohazard, Rage Against The Machine, Stone Temple Pilots, and many more. All the ones remotely considered good have something in common: they evolved their sound and stopped being Nu-metal. As for the OP, Fear Factory started as Industrial Metal and were an influence on Nu-Metal. They eventually produced the album Digimortal, which is Nu-Metal in my opinion, though better than most. I think Nu-Metal is much narrower than it's made out to be. Most of the time I believe mallcore is the word people are looking for. Fear Factory made two mallcore albums in my opinion: Digimortal and Transgression. The former is nu-metal, the latter is not. The rest is metal to me. Also, their lyrical themes never changed. Most Nu-metal is either teenage angst or Pantera/Biohazard-like "tough guy" lyrics.
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Post by Toxik916 on Jan 8, 2013 3:32:47 GMT -5
There's too many goddamn categories when it comes to rock. I just listen to what I listen to and don't really give a shit about being a fan of a certain genre.
I just like my rock to have some heavy elements because rock should rock!
I have no clue how to categorize the bands I like such as Breaking Benjamin, Chevelle, Three days grace, A7X, Bullet for my Valentine, Red, Papa Roach, Deftones, etc. I just know I like them.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Jan 8, 2013 4:20:36 GMT -5
Anyone who says Fear Factory is Nu Metal has never heard of Industrial Metal or Groove Metal.
Nu Metal is probably more like:
Papa Roach before GAWM Any time Wes Borland is still in Limp Bizkit Lostprophets' first album Machinehead's 2 albums with the guy before Phil Demmel Linkin Park's first album Adema's stuff with Mark Chavez (particularly Freaking Out)
I know that covers a lot of ground though, and most of those sound nothing like any of the others.
Nu Metal just seemed to me to die suddenly in 2003 then there was "Alternative Rock" which is another case of throwing anything together, and emo which got lumped in with that despite being 2 seperate genres (Pop Punk and Post-Hardcore) and I think Metalcore and Deathcore are the ones people hate right now
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 8, 2013 9:43:50 GMT -5
When I think "Nu-Metal".... I typically think of the rap/rock stuff that came out at the time. However, it did the same thing as most new labels do.. and became all-encompassing to a ridiculous degree.
I still remember back in the early 90s, when they still had "Alternative Nation".... I mean, I get it. Early on, you'd toss on stuff like Tori Amos, The Pixies, Sonic Youth.. stuff that defied a specific genre and had more of an intellectual stimulant to it. Then, Nirvana and Pearl Jam hit... I even got that, it was flying in the face of stuff like Poison and Motley Crue in that it was accessible, but not as pretty looking. But, eventually... it got REALLY weird as anytime a guitar was in the band, it became labeled as "Alternative.".... it's kinda strange watching a show and you see Nine Inch Nails, White Zombie, Hootie and the Blowfish and Matchbox Twenty all in the same block of videos because the label itself has grown too wide.
I mean, there was DEFINITELY a pattern to the bands of the time. Even listening to them now, there is a definite signature to those bands coming out. However, when "Nu-Metal" became a thing, it almost seemed more as an opposing force to the boy bands. So there seemed to be a big push on MTV to toss these bands out there, they grabbed hold of a bunch of bands with new or debut albums and suddenly after a few dedicated blocks of videos they all became associated with Nu-Metal.
I remember watching a show entitled "Return Of The Rock" that was just that.... a two hour block of videos that showcased the "new wave of metal." It was chock full of stuff from Fear Factory, Godsmack, Slipknot, Static-X, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, Korn, Staind, I even remember seeing "New Noise" from Refused on there. Basically after that, any band that had somewhat heavy guitars and had radio airplay became nu-metal.
Really, the only thing that became commonplace as a determining factor if they were nu-metal or not was if they included guitar solos. Granted, bands like Godsmack always had solos... but that was seen as rare at the time, plus they weren't exactly face-melting solos.
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