What Might Have Beens

[no2humanorchid]

andrew said:

no2humanorchid said:

Was this in WWF or WCW???Hadnt Davey passed away by the time that the nWo finally got started in the WWF???Was he planning a return to the WWF because I know he certainly wasnt on the roster???Please elaborate.Thank you.

He's talking about when The Giant (Big Show) first joined in 1996 in the middle of Nitro. He chokeslammed Meng and the Barbarian. It's on the Monday Night Wars and nWo DVD.

But whats that got to do with Davey joining the nWo???He was feuding with Michaels in WWF when the original nWo was formed in 1996???Can someone explain in lamens terms to help a confused guy out???

[Ben Wyatt]

no2humanorchid said:

andrew said:

He's talking about when The Giant (Big Show) first joined in 1996 in the middle of Nitro. He chokeslammed Meng and the Barbarian. It's on the Monday Night Wars and nWo DVD.

But whats that got to do with Davey joining the nWo???He was feuding with Michaels in WWF when the original nWo was formed in 1996???Can someone explain in lamens terms to help a confused guy out???

The Bulldog's contract was up, and he was going to jump to WCW, to become the nWo's 4th man. On the day he was to sign for WCW, he instead re-signed a deal with the WWF

[admiralcrunchy™]

shovelman said:

admiralcrunchy said:

Beefcake got in a boating accident...so that idea was scrapped.

That guy was talking about '88, you're talking about '90

That's right...my bad

[darthpipes]

Flair vs. Hogan should have been the main event for WrestleMania 8. Not sure why that didn't happen.

It should have been the main event but I can't say I'm sorry it was Savage vs Flair. Those two had a great match, much better than Hogan and Flair would have been. We got the great "She was mine before she was yours storyline" out of it and the beginning of the Flair/Savage feud that spanned two wrestling promotions, five world title changes and nearly four years.

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sheltomjericho said:

luger was to win the title at wm forget which but got drunk and told everybody well thats what i heard

That was SummerSlam 1993. They could have jobbed him out, but preferred to send the people home happy and had him win by count-out instead.

Now, Billy Gunn did the same thing the night before WM XV, where he blabbed to everybody that he was going to win the I-C title and get a huge push. He was late to WM the next day and was jobbed out to Ken Shamrock as punishment.

Wasn't Vader supposed to get a run as WWF Champion in 1996?

[Ben Wyatt]

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Wasn't Vader supposed to get a run as WWF Champion in 1996?[/quote]

Yes, I believe he was but then someone coughHBKcough pulled his political nonsense

[revelations]

The main event of WrestleMania VI was supposed to be a three way dance between Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and Dennis Stamp...with Stamp going over and taking the win over both men.

Unfortunately, Stamp wasn't booked onto the Toronto flight and missed the match.

[Dr. T is an alien]

theslickness said:

Wasn't Vader supposed to get a run as WWF Champion in 1996?

Yes, I believe he was but then someone coughHBKcough pulled his political nonsense

The thing that surprised me is that I figured Vince would have forced the title change as punishment for MSG. Not only would it be a form of punishment, but it could have been very good for business. Imagine a monster heel run by the best monster ever defending against HBK, Undertaker, Bret Hart, and *sigh* Sid. Why wouldn't Vince go through with this, no matter how much HBK cried?

[revelations]

Vince just never liked Vader for some reason. I also found it ridiculous that he told everyone to refer to him as "The Man They Call Vader".

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Vince was never that big on heel champions unless they were transitional.

IMO, I don't think even Vince could convince himself to make Vader a short transitional champion. The fans would have crapped on an abbreviated run, plus Vader "wasn't marketable" to the "paying fan" like Shawn Michaels was. (By "paying fan", I mean the kids and females that tag along and get the teddy bears and silly clothes.)

We once had a thread on how to get the title off of Bret Hart before the infamous Survivor Series 1997 match with Shawn, and I had a pretty good timeline that included title runs for Vader & Ken Shamrock.
(I think I had Vader win in October at "Badd Blood"because he was pissed he was passed over as a serious contender after the "Final Four" PPV and attacked Bret. It didn't make Bret seem weak to lose to Vader, especially since he was injured before the match. I added Ken Shamrock because I read somewhere that the WWF admitted they botched Ken's initial push and should have done to him more like what WCW was doinbg with Goldberg.)

[Shiori C: WC Blue Moon Poster]

sandman said:

Vince was never that big on heel champions unless they were transitional.

Nonsense. Superstar Billy Graham and Yokozuna both had nearly a year each as WWF Champion.

[revelations]

shioricoybito said:

sandman said:

Vince was never that big on heel champions unless they were transitional.

Nonsense. Superstar Billy Graham and Yokozuna both had nearly a year each as WWF Champion.

And let's not forget JBL and HHH.

[boogeyfan]

Some examples that come to mind which probably would have made the industry MUCH different today than it has become:

- Ring of Honor Unscripted (9/21/2002) - Boogaloo, one-half of the tag team known as the Natural Born Sinners (along with Homicide), gets injured; this opens an opportunity at a singles career for Homicide

Had Boogaloo not suffered such a devastating injury, Homicide would not be the superstar that he is today. He is now on the radar of WWE and TNA (thanks to Mick Foley and Konnan, respectively), and it's eerie to think where he and Boogaloo would be today had the injury never happened.

- I wonder where Eddie's career (and possibly life) would be had he been drafted over to Raw on June 27, 2005. First of all, I'm not saying that Eddie staying on Smackdown is why he died. I'm just saying that he may not have suffered such a horrible fate if he had gone to Raw.

Had Eddie been drafted to Raw on June 27, 2005, it would have ended what was a tremendous rivalry between him and Mysterio, and therefore would have prevented the ridiculous "secret" portion of the storyline. In addition, with Eddie and HBK on the very same show, HBK may have decided that he would have rather faced Eddie instead of Hogan @ SummerSlam. And THAT, ladies and germs, would have been a masterpiece.

- Try imagining Kurt Angle getting the same type of neck surgery as Benoit, Rhyno, Edge, Scotty 2 Hotty, Test, Lita, etc. in April 2003, forcing him to be out of the ring for roughly an entire year.

With Angle being out for an entire year, Brock Lesnar probably would have been having main-event feuds throughout all of 2003 with the likes of Benoit, Eddie, and Mysterio, rather than just with Taker, Cena, Big Show, and Angle.

- How much of an ever bigger legend would Ricky Steamboat be had he not suffered a career-ending injury in 1994? Imagine him being able to wrestle for another five to ten years against the likes of Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Bret, HBK, Owen, Edge, Christian, Angle, the Hardyz, HHH, and so many others.

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revelations said:

shioricoybito said:

Nonsense. Superstar Billy Graham and Yokozuna both had nearly a year each as WWF Champion.

And let's not forget JBL and HHH.

I was meaning at the time (1996), so that leaves out Triple H & JBL.

And I said "he was never that big on heel champions that weren't transitional". Yes, Yokozuna was the exception, (I don't count Graham; that was before Vince Jr. got the ball) but that was because of the post that started this whole thread. Luger couldn't keep his mouth shut about winning the title at SummerSlam 1993 and it bit him in the ass. Yokozuna wasn't supposed to be long-term but it just ended up that way because all their money was on a Luger title reign.

[theshriekingshiek]

What if HHH hadn't married Stephanie?

[no2humanorchid]

theslickness said:

no2humanorchid said:

But whats that got to do with Davey joining the nWo???He was feuding with Michaels in WWF when the original nWo was formed in 1996???Can someone explain in lamens terms to help a confused guy out???

The Bulldog's contract was up, and he was going to jump to WCW, to become the nWo's 4th man. On the day he was to sign for WCW, he instead re-signed a deal with the WWF

Ok,thanks for clearing that up for me mate.

[darthpipes]

luger was to win the title at wm forget which but got drunk and told everybody well thats what i heard



That was SummerSlam 1993. They could have jobbed him out, but preferred to send the people home happy and had him win by count-out instead.

Lugar was supposed to win the WWF Championship at Wrestlemania X and then lose it to Bret Hart that same night. But he couldn't keep his mouth shut.

[electrickeithery]

The ***** classic we never saw at WM21 -- The Undertaker & Kane VS Snitsky & Heidenreich.

[bkmastermind375]

The on-screen reason Beefcake didn't win the IC title @ Summerslam 88 was because Ron Bass beat the tar outta him with his spurs. As for the real reason, I think HTM refused to job the belt to him but I'm not 100% on that.

[scbg]

sandman said:

Vince was never that big on heel champions unless they were transitional.

IMO, I don't think even Vince could convince himself to make Vader a short transitional champion. The fans would have crapped on an abbreviated run, plus Vader "wasn't marketable" to the "paying fan" like Shawn Michaels was. (By "paying fan", I mean the kids and females that tag along and get the teddy bears and silly clothes.)

I'd buy a Vader bear.