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Post by vingerard on Jan 18, 2013 14:28:18 GMT -5
What do you guys think the WWE will do with him? Keep the same gimmick or change it entirely? Leonard F Chikarason and myself just started a podcast and we discuss this along with Dream WM matches featuring all the recently signed indy guys. You can listen in through this website! www.freakinawesomenetwork.net/2013/01/vin-gerard-podcas/
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Jan 18, 2013 14:39:36 GMT -5
Woah, awesome. I'll give this a listen when I get home from work. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 14:46:56 GMT -5
Has he passed his medical yet? i look forward to Generico in wwe its a shame i didn't see much of him in 2012 due to roh not using him cause of Cornette probably but from what i saw of him he was putting on constantly good matches. I don't want him to be El Generico in wwe in case they miss use him and release him then he can't do the character on the indies but if they just let him be the same or similar character he can be a decent upper midcarder for the company. I also look forward to when him and chris hero steal the show on nxt
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Post by hotshotalex on Jan 18, 2013 15:11:24 GMT -5
Look forward to listening to this when I get home from work.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 18, 2013 15:11:54 GMT -5
What do you guys think the WWE will do with him? Keep the same gimmick or change it entirely? There's no talking them out of giving him a new name, but if they're smart they'll keep everything else the same. Don't f*** with perfection. I don't see them ever putting a world championship on him, but maybe the IC or US strap, and certainly the tag titles if he's paired with a partner who can do most of the talking.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Jan 18, 2013 15:16:31 GMT -5
From the sound of his goodbye speech in Canada, I inferred he is dropping the El Generico character. He made a joke about going back to Mexico to be with his family which led me to believe the WWE wants to do something else with him and he was dropping the persona.
The guy is just so so talented.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 18, 2013 15:20:43 GMT -5
Can't wait to see him on NXT as Jip Humdingerzby.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 18, 2013 20:12:40 GMT -5
Why don't they just give him a new, but similar gimmick like they did with Mistico/Sin Cara?
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 18, 2013 20:22:08 GMT -5
Just let him keep the mask, thats all I ask. He can make other gimmicks work, slight variations of his current one, change his name whatever (again something similar would be nice), but just let him keep the mask on
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jan 18, 2013 20:24:34 GMT -5
The only positive is that eventually he'll see they have no interest in letting him have any character at all and he can return to greener pastures.
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Post by Error on Jan 18, 2013 20:32:38 GMT -5
The only positive is that eventually he'll see they have no interest in letting him have any character at all and he can return to greener pastures. Ignoring that WWE has been doing amazing in debuting guys in the last year with a character, I do believe WWE provides more greener pastures than any indie is capable of. I love watching El Generico wrestle but I wonder how well the El Generico character would translate to large audiences. I hope whatever happens he doesn't sell or give WWE the rights to El Generico.
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Post by celticjobber on Jan 18, 2013 20:52:06 GMT -5
The only positive is that eventually he'll see they have no interest in letting him have any character at all and he can return to greener pastures. Yeah, because other ex-indy guys like Daniel Bryan, Antonio Cesaro, and CM Punk are really floundering... oh wait!
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Post by 543Y2J on Jan 18, 2013 21:00:52 GMT -5
The only positive is that eventually he'll see they have no interest in letting him have any character at all and he can return to greener pastures. Yeah, because other ex-indy guys like Daniel Bryan, Antonio Cesaro, and CM Punk are really floundering... oh wait! Evan Bourne was doing very well before his injury, and Frankie Kazarian is technically undefeated in the WWE
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Post by CM Dazz on Jan 18, 2013 21:04:50 GMT -5
I'd guess he keeps the gimmick, & uses a different, yet comparable ring name. I do think he could make everyone a lot of money in merchandise sales if they push the mask to kids.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 18, 2013 22:04:30 GMT -5
The only positive is that eventually he'll see they have no interest in letting him have any character at all and he can return to greener pastures. Well, two things. First, even though I was pretty sure that they were going to debut both Claudio and Seth Rollins (weird how I think of him as Seth now even though I thought I'd always think of him as Tyler Black) the same way they did DBD and Low Ki--which is to say have them job to a bunch of jobbers in order to send those guys a message saying "It doesn't matter if you were a star on the indies, you are a nobody here until we say you are, ROOKIE"--it turned out that they didn't do that. They're booking both of those guys to look strong. So maybe we can trust them to do the same thing with Generico, even if the hints that they want to remold him into somebody new worries me. (IIRC one of the reasons Tensai flopped was because they told him he couldn't do some of the big power moves that got him over in Japan. That's what can happen when the 'E signs somebody based on his popularity elsewhere and then changes him to fit their idea of what a wrestler should be.) Second, the "greener pastures" thing. When somebody leaves the indies for WWE it sucks for the people who are fans of them in the indies and who hate WWE's product (particularly if WWE decides that they shouldn't be on television *cough*SaraDelRey*cough*)....but it's probably not going to suck for the wrestler him- or herself. See, I found something out earlier this year when I was talking to somebody who's gotten to know a hell of a lot more indy wrestlers than I have. (Which is to say "More than zero," but which is also to say "Lots.") I asked her "Hey, I know that on the indies different guys can get paid different amounts of money depending on how well-known they are and so on, so out of everybody on the indies today, how many of them make a living just from wrestling? How many of them don't have to work a day job to make ends meet?" The answer was either "Nobody" or "Almost nobody." It surprised me and it's depressing, but it's the truth. If you're a follower of Chikara, you might remember a YouTube video where Tim Donst brawled with Hallowicked inside a furniture store. That store, I believe, is where Tim Donst works when he isn't wrestling. To give you an idea of the kind of money big indy names can expect, Chris Hero in his SMV shoot said that he once went to Quack and asked for a raise. He wanted a raise because he was making $75 a show and he was having trouble paying the bills. (Quack magnamimously offered him an extra five bucks per show, according to Hero, because that's Quack for you.) And then you've got Davey Richards, Kyle O'Reilly, and Tony Kozina infamously taking a payoff for a show and then driving off without working. Now apart from it being a dick move, how much money was involved in that incident? What does the former ROH world champion make working a show like that? "Team Ambition" got $350, split three ways. Not that I've heard wonderful things about working for WWE, mind you: you've got idiotic backstage politics, hazing, a hellish work schedule, the "independent contractor" status and the problems that causes for the talent, etc, and if you're being jobbed out that's one more reason to be unhappy. That being said, the money's better. WAY better. The unfortunate truth (unless I've really got my facts wrong here and feel free to tell me if I do, Vin) is that if you want to get rich wrestling, you need to be in the 'E. Or maybe in TNA, although the stories about Taylor Wilde working at a Sunglass Hut and Jesse Neal qualifying for food stamps bring that into question. A possible third option is wrestling in Japan. I think that Kenny Omega might be supporting himself over there just by wrestling, but I could be wrong. (Anybody know?) So, when somebody gets snapped up by the 'E--Black, Hero, Claudio, Brodie Lee, SDR, PAC, Generico, maybe Sami Callihan soon--I always have mixed feelings. I feel sad that I'm not going to get to watch them wrestle any more. I mean, even if I watch NXT and keep an eye out for them there, I'm probably gonna have to wait several months for their debut. But I don't think "I hope that they're back in ROH/PWG/DGUSA/CZW/Chikara soon." Because if I'm a fan of somebody I want them to be comfortable, I want them to be able to support themselves doing something they love, and if they're happy in the 'E and making six figures or a high five figure annual salary there then they deserve it.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 18, 2013 22:19:19 GMT -5
He could be a good comedy midcarder, WWE loves those guys as long as they have the charisma to do it well.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 18, 2013 22:47:35 GMT -5
Yeah, because other ex-indy guys like Daniel Bryan, Antonio Cesaro, and CM Punk are really floundering... oh wait! Evan Bourne was doing very well before his injury, and Frankie Kazarian is technically undefeated in the WWE And the only thing they asked Kazarian to change was his hair. Which he did after negotiating himself a lower paying job.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 23:01:50 GMT -5
He could be a good comedy midcarder, WWE loves those guys as long as they have the charisma to do it well. He can be so much more than that though. If you ask me, and surely many others, El Generico is one of the best wrestlers in the world right now. I've said before I think he's so talented that it doesn't really matter even if WWE mess it up creatively, I think so long as he weathers the storm it's inevitable that he's at the very least a highly successful and lasting upper midcarder. Unless they cast him as a character so far out of his element and expose weaknesses I never knew existed in him. It's their best bet to keep him in a mask and basically be El Generico with a new name. I think he, more than Sin Cara, fill the gap when Rey Mysterio leaves. You can't take anyone seriously anymore that thinks WWE is just automatically gonna fail when you consider that Daniel Bryan/CM Punk are current/former World Champions, and when Antonio Cesaro is doing so strong for himself after such a shaky start, and the Shield are being featured so prominently. I can't blame anyone for being nervous about it either, because I really hope if Generico's successful it isn't as a novelty act on the level of Santino Marella, and that it's in a role as fulfilling as that which he built for himself in the indies.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Jan 18, 2013 23:14:35 GMT -5
He could be a good comedy midcarder, WWE loves those guys as long as they have the charisma to do it well. He can be so much more than that though. If you ask me, and surely many others, El Generico is one of the best wrestlers in the world right now. I've said before I think he's so talented that it doesn't really matter even if WWE mess it up creatively, I think so long as he weathers the storm it's inevitable that he's at the very least a highly successful and lasting upper midcarder. Unless they cast him as a character so far out of his element and expose weaknesses I never knew existed in him. It's their best bet to keep him in a mask and basically be El Generico with a new name. I think he, more than Sin Cara, fill the gap when Rey Mysterio leaves. You can't take anyone seriously anymore that thinks WWE is just automatically gonna fail when you consider that Daniel Bryan/CM Punk are current/former World Champions, and when Antonio Cesaro is doing so strong for himself after such a shaky start, and the Shield are being featured so prominently. I can't blame anyone for being nervous about it either, because I really hope if Generico's successful it isn't as a novelty act on the level of Santino Marella, and that it's in a role as fulfilling as that which he built for himself in the indies. Assuming the character stays basically the same and they give him a decent amount of time on tv to connect with the fans, the only possible obstacle I can think of is promos. It's just about impossible to get over in the 'E if you don't promo, with a few exceptions. Generico has always impressed me with his ability to communicate non-verbally. Dude is a master of using facial expressions and body language to let you know what he's thinking and feeling. If you've ever had the chance to talk to him--and you very well may have, since he was a very approachable guy during his indy run--you know that he can carry on a conversation with you and be coherent while still doing the "I-don't-speak-English-very-well" thing. Will those two abilities combined be enough for WWE, will they be good enough to make him more than a comedy act for them? Only time will tell, I guess.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 18, 2013 23:37:47 GMT -5
I think I've come up with a good idea for him in the WWE - El Hijo del Gran Luchadore!
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