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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 28, 2013 22:26:51 GMT -5
He's not inconsistent. His offensive line was not set up correctly. If you want to talk inconsistent, look at Matt Schaub or Tony Romo or Cam Newton. Flacco has to play against some of the strongest defenses in the league and his offensive line wasn't even set up correctly until the Playoffs began! One of his worst games ever was against the Jets........ Your argument is invalid. In fact he tends to have a lot of bad games against bad teams.......he strangely enough plays lights out usually against the upper tier teams. The Jets have a good defense.
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Post by Sektor on Jan 28, 2013 22:27:15 GMT -5
Flacco is the pure definition of inconsistent. Some weeks he'll have games on par with Brees, Rodgers, Peyton, and Brady. Other weeks he'll put quarterbacking back a few decades with how bad he plays He's honestly lucky to even get a double digit yearly payout with his inconsistency. He's not inconsistent. His offensive line was not set up correctly. If you want to talk inconsistent, look at Matt Schaub or Tony Romo or Cam Newton. Flacco has to play against some of the strongest defenses in the league and his offensive line wasn't even set up correctly until the Playoffs began! He's naturally inconsistent because of the way he plays the game. The line has been strong for most of his career, and even at it's worst this year, it wasn't bad. He's a deep-ball bomber, and may very well be the best deep passer in the league. But those aren't high percentage shots regardless of who throws them, and sometimes there will be games where they don't fall. Also, while he's shown more maturity as a QB, he's still prone to mental lapses where he tries to do too much, and against good secondaries he gets punished for it. While I know that sounds like a lot of negative, he's a top 10 QB when he's playing well. And in the shape the QB market is right now, he's probably gonna command just outside of a top 5 salary. Edit: Also, a strike against Flacco is that he's an irrational confidence guy bordering on the point of delusion.
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Post by BearDogg-X on Jan 28, 2013 22:28:28 GMT -5
Doug Williams is the first one that comes to mind, no idea if there's an earlier example - but I doubt it all things considered. Kind of crazy, Wikipedia says that he was promoted to starter mid-season and it eventually led to a mauling of the Broncos (grr). It'd be cool to see Kaep do the same thing in leading his team to a blowout. Williams is the only one. Kaepernick will be the 2nd.
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Post by Orange on Jan 28, 2013 22:28:56 GMT -5
CBS' Jason La Canfora says "plenty of teams" see impending free agent Cardinals QB Brian Hoyer as a "strong No. 2 who could thrive as a spot starter." NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported on Total Access Monday night that Joe Flacco intends to target more money than Peyton Manning in contract talks with the Ravens. Per Rapoport, Flacco and the Ravens will resume negotiations immediately after the Super Bowl. "I'm told his camp believes he is playing better than Peyton Manning," Rapoport reported. "Manning makes ($19.2M) a year; expect them to shoot higher than that." The $20 million-per-year figure is clearly Flacco's goal. The Ravens ought to be kicking themselves for not locking up Flacco when his asking price was more reasonable late last offseason. Rotoworld Wow, the best they can do is that he played better than a bonafide legend who had 4 surgeries and whose return was unsure. Yep, what an elite badass. Back up the money truck.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 22:30:11 GMT -5
Elite QBs should be the only ones to get elite money. Average QBs get average money - just what Flacco deserves. We seriously need to make a system where we can place the QBs in a tier list.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 28, 2013 22:30:34 GMT -5
He's not inconsistent. His offensive line was not set up correctly. If you want to talk inconsistent, look at Matt Schaub or Tony Romo or Cam Newton. Flacco has to play against some of the strongest defenses in the league and his offensive line wasn't even set up correctly until the Playoffs began! We have as a football viewing public lost what a good QB looks like compared to a great one. A good one sometimes doesn't win a game they played well in and they have more bad games then a great one. Also they are a bit more dependent on their team around them. A QB that is dependent on his team to consistently have even passable games isn't a good QB in my books. They are a decent QB. A "good" QB is one that can consistency have decent games regardless of his team. A "great" QB consistently has amazing games. Flacco is a decent QB. Hell he's still a starter for roughly half the teams in the league, and he gets the job done, but he often needs a lot of help from the guys around him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 22:34:28 GMT -5
He's not inconsistent. His offensive line was not set up correctly. If you want to talk inconsistent, look at Matt Schaub or Tony Romo or Cam Newton. Flacco has to play against some of the strongest defenses in the league and his offensive line wasn't even set up correctly until the Playoffs began! One of his worst games ever was against the Jets........ Your argument is invalid. In fact he tends to have a lot of bad games against bad teams.......he strangely enough plays lights out usually against the upper tier teams. Cam Cameron was his offensive coordinator. A little known fact outside Baltimore was that Joe had a lot of rapport with Jim Zorn. And then Cam had Jim fired. Basically made it impossible for them to see eye-to-eye and you NEVER do that to your QB. Now that Jim Caldwell has the reigns, as mediocre as he may be, he's well-liked by the guys and he's vastly superior to Cameron. There's so much more than "He looked bad vs the Jets" or "look at the numbers" in determining the quality of an NFL quarterback. Joe's career up to this point has been this mire of attempting to get past an inept coaching staff that refuses to play to his strengths. For example, you ever see the routes that Cam had the receivers run and the bizarre order of plays with their inexplicable ordering? Nobody ever got open and our offensive line, in its ill-conceived build, ended up leaving Flacco in a bad position. He's not a fast-moving passer, and he's all about staying in the pocket. Yet Cameron didn't understand that and didn't play to his man's strengths. Every passer in the NFL has strengths and weaknesses and his ineptitude in understanding that is why he got fired and why Joe's playoff stats have gratuitously improved.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 28, 2013 22:40:14 GMT -5
One of his worst games ever was against the Jets........ Your argument is invalid. In fact he tends to have a lot of bad games against bad teams.......he strangely enough plays lights out usually against the upper tier teams. Cam Cameron was his offensive coordinator. A little known fact outside Baltimore was that Joe had a lot of rapport with Jim Zorn. And then Cam had Jim fired. Basically made it impossible for them to see eye-to-eye and you NEVER do that to your QB. Now that Jim Caldwell has the reigns, as mediocre as he may be, he's well-liked by the guys and he's vastly superior to Cameron. There's so much more than "He looked bad vs the Jets" or "look at the numbers" in determining the quality of an NFL quarterback. Joe's career up to this point has been this mire of attempting to get past an inept coaching staff that refuses to play to his strengths. For example, you ever see the routes that Cam had the receivers run and the bizarre order of plays with their inexplicable ordering? Nobody ever got open and our offensive line, in its ill-conceived build, ended up leaving Flacco in a bad position. He's not a fast-moving passer, and he's all about staying in the pocket. Yet Cameron didn't understand that and didn't play to his man's strengths. Every passer in the NFL has strengths and weaknesses and his ineptitude in understanding that is why he got fired and why Joe's playoff stats have gratuitously improved. See all that says to me is Joe can't get the ball to his receivers unless they are open. Again, not a good QB. Just a decent one. A good QB would be able to thread the ball through some coverage. As already said Joe is an amazing deep ball QB, but outside of that.......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 22:50:59 GMT -5
Cam Cameron was his offensive coordinator. A little known fact outside Baltimore was that Joe had a lot of rapport with Jim Zorn. And then Cam had Jim fired. Basically made it impossible for them to see eye-to-eye and you NEVER do that to your QB. Now that Jim Caldwell has the reigns, as mediocre as he may be, he's well-liked by the guys and he's vastly superior to Cameron. There's so much more than "He looked bad vs the Jets" or "look at the numbers" in determining the quality of an NFL quarterback. Joe's career up to this point has been this mire of attempting to get past an inept coaching staff that refuses to play to his strengths. For example, you ever see the routes that Cam had the receivers run and the bizarre order of plays with their inexplicable ordering? Nobody ever got open and our offensive line, in its ill-conceived build, ended up leaving Flacco in a bad position. He's not a fast-moving passer, and he's all about staying in the pocket. Yet Cameron didn't understand that and didn't play to his man's strengths. Every passer in the NFL has strengths and weaknesses and his ineptitude in understanding that is why he got fired and why Joe's playoff stats have gratuitously improved. See all that says to me is Joe can't get the ball to his receivers unless they are open. Again, not a good QB. Just a decent one. A good QB would be able to thread the ball through some coverage. As already said Joe is an amazing deep ball QB, but outside of that....... Having receivers get open is one of the primary reasons that routes are run. You're not supposed to throw to someone who's in heavy coverage. But when receivers like Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones cannot get open, and they're as fast as they are, there's a serious problem. If you're playing against defensive backs who are anything better than completely unaware, and you're throwing into coverage, chances are they're going to swat the ball, tip it, or pick it off entirely. Only if you have stud receivers can you reliably run passing plays where throwing into tight coverage is viable. And the Ravens don't have the receivers for that job. When you have a Calvin Johnson, Percy Harvin, Tony Gonzalez or Julio Jones, it's a much easier task. The closest thing the Ravens have to that is Anquan Boldin and he's not at the level those guys sit at. Not anymore, anyway.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Jan 28, 2013 23:21:53 GMT -5
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 28, 2013 23:23:41 GMT -5
It is beyond official, the Jets are ran by idiots.
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Post by Error on Jan 29, 2013 0:44:09 GMT -5
Do it! For the love of God do it and keep Tebow. Please NYJ I beg this of you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 0:48:23 GMT -5
This rumor has been going on for years now. Apparently they want him to be an offensive tackle.
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Post by Orange on Jan 29, 2013 0:50:26 GMT -5
For the Jets it's all about the
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 29, 2013 1:01:56 GMT -5
Do it! For the love of God do it and keep Tebow. Please NYJ I beg this of you. You just want to see if Tebow snaps and physically assaults someone, don't you?
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 29, 2013 1:03:57 GMT -5
On ESPN, Chris Mortensen said Texas A&M T Luke Joeckel is "probably the frontrunner" for the No. 1 pick.
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Post by Error on Jan 29, 2013 1:32:54 GMT -5
Do it! For the love of God do it and keep Tebow. Please NYJ I beg this of you. You just want to see if Tebow snaps and physically assaults someone, don't you? That or go on a tirade that would make ADC blush.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jan 29, 2013 1:36:41 GMT -5
Wow, this year NFL Draft could be a snoozer.
How do we hype it up- HE PROTECTED JOHNNY FOOTBALL?!
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Post by Sektor on Jan 29, 2013 5:59:27 GMT -5
Wow, this year NFL Draft could be a snoozer. How do we hype it up- HE PROTECTED JOHNNY FOOTBALL?! Yeah, it was so much more fun last year when everyone knew the first three picks a month ahead of time. Blindside tackle is the second most important position on offense. Talented lineman are very hard to come by. And, there is maybe one QB who deserves to go in the top 10, and that's helped by how weak this class is more than anything.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 29, 2013 6:06:34 GMT -5
Wow, this year NFL Draft could be a snoozer. How do we hype it up- HE PROTECTED JOHNNY FOOTBALL?! Yeah, it was so much more fun last year when everyone knew the first three picks a month ahead of time. Blindside tackle is the second most important position on offense. Talented lineman are very hard to come by. And, there is maybe one QB who deserves to go in the top 10, and that's helped by how weak this class is more than anything. That and there is some VERY weak o-lines amongst the teams with the Top 16 picks. The Chiefs would greatly benefit from beefing up their o-line for instance.
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