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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 21, 2013 23:22:32 GMT -5
I changed the channel for most of his promo, it's hard to believe that on paper, that's the guy they're going to have win clean over the Rock and do a respect spot with. Going to totally get s*** on. Why is it hard to believe? Because Cena is unbearably terrible (character-wise), and sacrificing a rub from Rock to put over a guy who's reached his ceiling and will still be just as hated (if not more) after the win is worthless. There's no real upside to it.
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Post by Cronant on Jan 21, 2013 23:23:46 GMT -5
Why is it hard to believe? Because Cena is unbearably terrible (character-wise), and sacrificing a rub from Rock to put over a guy who's reached his ceiling and will still be just as hated (if not more) after the win is worthless. There's no real upside to it. Its not like Cena didn't just job to the Rock last year. Its not about the 'rub'.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 21, 2013 23:26:22 GMT -5
Why is it hard to believe? Because Cena is unbearably terrible (character-wise), and sacrificing a rub from Rock to put over a guy who's reached his ceiling and will still be just as hated (if not more) after the win is worthless. There's no real upside to it. It's not even that. If the match was an impetus for another direction in Cena's character, it would work great. But if the booking is paint by numbers, Rock over Punk, Cena over Rock and they do the handshake megaface deal, it's an awful, awful idea.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 21, 2013 23:27:54 GMT -5
Because Cena is unbearably terrible (character-wise), and sacrificing a rub from Rock to put over a guy who's reached his ceiling and will still be just as hated (if not more) after the win is worthless. There's no real upside to it. Its not like Cena didn't just job to the Rock last year. Its not about the 'rub'. You could make a case that using the very rare Cena clean job on the Rock was not a great idea, either.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 21, 2013 23:30:36 GMT -5
Its not like Cena didn't just job to the Rock last year. Its not about the 'rub'. You could make a case that using the very rare Cena clean job on the Rock was not a great idea, either. This. As well as using The Rock to end Punk's title reign.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 21, 2013 23:33:47 GMT -5
Because Cena is unbearably terrible (character-wise), and sacrificing a rub from Rock to put over a guy who's reached his ceiling and will still be just as hated (if not more) after the win is worthless. There's no real upside to it. Its not like Cena didn't just job to the Rock last year. Its not about the 'rub'. The problem is: the vast majority do not want that result. Regardless of WWE's intentions to make it 50/50 last year, Cena was still the heel, and Rock the big returning hero of a babyface. The vast majority paid for and wanted Rock to win. And nothing has changed this year to make that any different. That's why it's a problem. Cena will still be the heel. And Rock will likely have to shake his hand to boos. It's hardly a positive moment.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 21, 2013 23:37:38 GMT -5
You could make a case that using the very rare Cena clean job on the Rock was not a great idea, either. This. As well as using The Rock to end Punk's title reign. That's still up in the air for a few days, though, I do think it's possible Punk survives and they make it a 3 way. Ending of WM would still be pretty much the same, though, just with Punk doing the job to Cena, which should probably be the logical progression of things, if not Ryback.
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Post by Cronant on Jan 21, 2013 23:38:26 GMT -5
Its not like Cena didn't just job to the Rock last year. Its not about the 'rub'. The problem is: the vast majority do not want that result. Regardless of WWE's intentions to make it 50/50 last year, Cena was still the heel, and Rock the big returning hero of a babyface. The vast majority paid for and wanted Rock to win. And nothing has changed this year to make that any different. That's why it's a problem. Cena will still be the heel. And Rock will likely have to shake his hand to boos. It's hardly a positive moment. Why even bring up the handshake thing? Dear god. Who cares if they shake hands or not? Its not like the Rock is going to stick around even if Cena decides to AA him afterwards. 9 times out of 10 when Cena is in really hostile crowds he ends up losing. Are you really going to bitch about the possibility of that 1?
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 21, 2013 23:42:56 GMT -5
This. As well as using The Rock to end Punk's title reign. That's still up in the air for a few days, though, I do think it's possible Punk survives and they make it a 3 way. Ending of WM would still be pretty much the same, though, just with Punk doing the job to Cena, which should probably be the logical progression of things, if not Ryback. Cena can pin Rock, get his win back and respect and all that nonsense, and then that would give Punk a reason to retaliate against him at Extreme Rules, since he didn't even get pinned to lose his title. I'm totally okay with that. That's at least different than Cena/Rock - Cena wins edition.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 21, 2013 23:46:13 GMT -5
The problem is: the vast majority do not want that result. Regardless of WWE's intentions to make it 50/50 last year, Cena was still the heel, and Rock the big returning hero of a babyface. The vast majority paid for and wanted Rock to win. And nothing has changed this year to make that any different. That's why it's a problem. Cena will still be the heel. And Rock will likely have to shake his hand to boos. It's hardly a positive moment. Why even bring up the handshake thing? Dear god. Who cares if they shake hands or not? Its not like the Rock is going to stick around even if Cena decides to AA him afterwards. 9 times out of 10 when Cena is in really hostile crowds he ends up losing. Are you really going to bitch about the possibility of that 1? Well, if you were getting resistance from the crowd, why would you even think about it? The image you want from WM is your #1 face winning and get booed out of the building for it? He's so overdue for a turn, it's not funny.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 21, 2013 23:49:29 GMT -5
Why even bring up the handshake thing? Dear god. Who cares if they shake hands or not? Its not like the Rock is going to stick around even if Cena decides to AA him afterwards. 9 times out of 10 when Cena is in really hostile crowds he ends up losing. Are you really going to bitch about the possibility of that 1? Well, if you were getting resistance from the crowd, why would you even think about it? The image you want from WM is your #1 face winning and get booed out of the building for it? He's so overdue for a turn, it's not funny. Not even a turn, just a change of character.
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SEAN CARLESS
Hank Scorpio
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 21, 2013 23:51:25 GMT -5
The problem is: the vast majority do not want that result. Regardless of WWE's intentions to make it 50/50 last year, Cena was still the heel, and Rock the big returning hero of a babyface. The vast majority paid for and wanted Rock to win. And nothing has changed this year to make that any different. That's why it's a problem. Cena will still be the heel. And Rock will likely have to shake his hand to boos. It's hardly a positive moment. Why even bring up the handshake thing? Dear god. Who cares if they shake hands or not? Its not like the Rock is going to stick around even if Cena decides to AA him afterwards. 9 times out of 10 when Cena is in really hostile crowds he ends up losing. Are you really going to bitch about the possibility of that 1? I'm not bitching. I'm stating a sad fact that the crowd will shit on a Cena win, and shit harder on Rock endorsing him in any way. I personally think Cena deserves better than that; like say a program where people will actually get behind him and be happy when he wins. The match shouldn't even be happening (if in fact it does). There's really no reason for it to, and no real good can come from it. Rock shouldn't win a second time. And Cena shouldn't be put in a position to send the crowd home furious.
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Post by joebob27 on Jan 21, 2013 23:56:11 GMT -5
Well, if you were getting resistance from the crowd, why would you even think about it? The image you want from WM is your #1 face winning and get booed out of the building for it? He's so overdue for a turn, it's not funny. Not even a turn, just a change of character. I'm thinking at this point it has to be a turn. The re-turn will get him back over as a face. He's so much better than this crap. When they got to the crossroad of Punk running out of heels and having to face Cena, they picked the wrong guy to turn.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 21, 2013 23:56:33 GMT -5
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Post by BiloxiParish on Jan 22, 2013 0:00:17 GMT -5
Rock is unbearable now..
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 22, 2013 2:19:31 GMT -5
I agree. I don't know if it's a case of me being older now, the PG thing, his schtick being tired or some combination of the three, but I've found him to be REALLY bad since returning last year.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 22, 2013 2:24:20 GMT -5
The problem is: the vast majority do not want that result. Regardless of WWE's intentions to make it 50/50 last year, Cena was still the heel, and Rock the big returning hero of a babyface. The vast majority paid for and wanted Rock to win. And nothing has changed this year to make that any different. That's why it's a problem. Cena will still be the heel. And Rock will likely have to shake his hand to boos. It's hardly a positive moment. Why even bring up the handshake thing? Dear god. Who cares if they shake hands or not? Its not like the Rock is going to stick around even if Cena decides to AA him afterwards. 9 times out of 10 when Cena is in really hostile crowds he ends up losing. Are you really going to bitch about the possibility of that 1? Agreed. If the tension of the crowd reaches "If Cena Wins, We Riot" levels, Cena will lose.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Jan 22, 2013 7:42:11 GMT -5
The Rock is hilarious. He always has and always will be. This will not change.
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Post by YiHammer on Jan 22, 2013 7:53:57 GMT -5
The Rock is hilarious. He always has and always will be. This will not change. It already has
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