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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 22, 2013 1:43:05 GMT -5
I've been watching wrestling since 1990 and have never even noticed it being illegal ever. I can't recall anybody mentioning it on air or there being a storyline about it. I just thought wrestlers were supposed to be punching, but did the open palm strikes because it was safer and they were hiding that they weren't really punching. Speaking of the 5 knuckle shuffle looks horrible all the time.. The Dudleys were actually disqualified for using closed fists once. I think Regal may have been a special referee that called for the bell after two punches.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Jan 22, 2013 2:21:04 GMT -5
I think closed fists are actually legal in WWE now. They are. MMA's popularity made them drop it, similar to how tap outs in pro wrestling started because of UFC. Could have sworn they started doing tap out's right after a little match that happened in Montreal. Besides, no one cared about UFC back then. Vince was even plugging UFC PPV's on Raw.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 2:28:52 GMT -5
They are. MMA's popularity made them drop it, similar to how tap outs in pro wrestling started because of UFC. Could have sworn they started doing tap out's right after a little match that happened in Montreal. Besides, no one cared about UFC back then. Vince was even plugging UFC PPV's on Raw. It started in 1997 but well before Survivor Series, and it was definitely UFC-influenced because it was Ken Shamrock who really started it in the WWF. WCW started using tap-outs around the same time, usually in Ultimo Dragon matches.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Jan 22, 2013 4:46:02 GMT -5
I've always wondered this. The same way I watch LOTR and wonder why they couldn't just use the eagles to deliver the ring to Mount Doom. Just being urged to suspend belief and logic I suppose. Not to be "that guy", but in one of the books, they actually cover that. The Eagles refused to get involved. As for the KO Punch... no friggin' clue. Also remember that if they had tried to just use the Eagles, Sauron would have seen them coming, and he had those flying things available to tear them out of the sky. As for the KO Punch... well, they'll be more likely to dodge if you go for it right out the gate, whereas by wearing them down, their evasion stat goes down because they'd be exhausted. Or something.
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Post by Starshine on Jan 22, 2013 6:15:29 GMT -5
Not to be "that guy", but in one of the books, they actually cover that. The Eagles refused to get involved. As for the KO Punch... no friggin' clue. Also remember that if they had tried to just use the Eagles, Sauron would have seen them coming, and he had those flying things available to tear them out of the sky. As for the KO Punch... well, they'll be more likely to dodge if you go for it right out the gate, whereas by wearing them down, their evasion stat goes down because they'd be exhausted. Or something. But even if he misses it doesn't leave him in a vulnerable position, and on top of that the guy's huge. So there's no real reason for him to do anything else when he could instead punch a guy one or two times instead.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jan 22, 2013 6:19:18 GMT -5
Could have sworn they started doing tap out's right after a little match that happened in Montreal. Besides, no one cared about UFC back then. Vince was even plugging UFC PPV's on Raw. It started in 1997 but well before Survivor Series, and it was definitely UFC-influenced because it was Ken Shamrock who really started it in the WWF. WCW started using tap-outs around the same time, usually in Ultimo Dragon matches. Tazz was getting people to tap in 1995 and is seen by quite a few to be the person that first started bringing that in as the way to get a submission by the majority.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 22, 2013 7:48:38 GMT -5
Also remember that if they had tried to just use the Eagles, Sauron would have seen them coming, and he had those flying things available to tear them out of the sky. As for the KO Punch... well, they'll be more likely to dodge if you go for it right out the gate, whereas by wearing them down, their evasion stat goes down because they'd be exhausted. Or something. But even if he misses it doesn't leave him in a vulnerable position, and on top of that the guy's huge. So there's no real reason for him to do anything else when he could instead punch a guy one or two times instead. His character is a bully, hitting someone with one move isn't enough.
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Post by YiHammer on Jan 22, 2013 7:56:50 GMT -5
But even if he misses it doesn't leave him in a vulnerable position, and on top of that the guy's huge. So there's no real reason for him to do anything else when he could instead punch a guy one or two times instead. His character is a bully, hitting someone with one move isn't enough. Unless you are Kofi
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 22, 2013 11:41:22 GMT -5
I just can't believe how lazy it is. Show already had a classic, great finisher with his Chokeslam. no idea why they decided "yeah lets change his finisher to a punch to the noggin". it's like when Sgt. Slaughter ditched the Cobra Clutch for the Noogie of Doom.
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Post by evilhomer on Jan 22, 2013 13:02:24 GMT -5
I think the Noogie of Doom was supposed to be a more evil hold.
It would make a lot more sense if closed fist punches were still "barred" moves. The first one's a warning, then you're dq'd. That would explain why it's allowed, and also explain why Show doesn't just throw it - he's got to be sure to land his one and only chance at the punch.
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Post by skulldouggory on Jan 22, 2013 14:45:05 GMT -5
I just can't believe how lazy it is. Show already had a classic, great finisher with his Chokeslam. no idea why they decided "yeah lets change his finisher to a punch to the noggin". it's like when Sgt. Slaughter ditched the Cobra Clutch for the Noogie of Doom. Ive read that Show stopped doing the chokeslam because it was too much on his knees. But then at around the same time he was using the spear, so i don't get that theory.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 22, 2013 14:48:40 GMT -5
Think of it as a Phoenix Punch. It can happen at any point and it's worst when don't see it coming & defenseless.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Jan 22, 2013 14:55:57 GMT -5
Better question, if the punch can KO any guy instantly, why does Show bother doing anything else? I've always wondered this. The same way I watch LOTR and wonder why they couldn't just use the eagles to deliver the ring to Mount Doom. Just being urged to suspend belief and logic I suppose. Because of the giant all seeing eye that would call the entire army of hell towards the eagles the moment they got near why are people debating this?
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Post by evilhomer on Jan 22, 2013 15:18:19 GMT -5
I've always wondered this. The same way I watch LOTR and wonder why they couldn't just use the eagles to deliver the ring to Mount Doom. Just being urged to suspend belief and logic I suppose. Because of the giant all seeing eye that would call the entire army of hell towards the eagles the moment they got near why are people debating this? Yeah, I mean do people really think that the entire army of hell is going to be like "yeah, we're an army of millions, we're going to kick their a**... What?!? They got eagles.... shucks the one thing we didn't prepare for... okay, everybody back to hell."
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jan 22, 2013 15:21:50 GMT -5
Not to be "that guy", but in one of the books, they actually cover that. The Eagles refused to get involved. As for the KO Punch... no friggin' clue. Also remember that if they had tried to just use the Eagles, Sauron would have seen them coming, and he had those flying things available to tear them out of the sky. I believe they are called Fell Beasts.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Jan 22, 2013 20:01:20 GMT -5
Could have sworn they started doing tap out's right after a little match that happened in Montreal. Besides, no one cared about UFC back then. Vince was even plugging UFC PPV's on Raw. It started in 1997 but well before Survivor Series, and it was definitely UFC-influenced because it was Ken Shamrock who really started it in the WWF. WCW started using tap-outs around the same time, usually in Ultimo Dragon matches. also, like every innovation from the 90s, ECW was doing it first
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Post by BigWill on Jan 22, 2013 20:04:26 GMT -5
Because of the giant all seeing eye that would call the entire army of hell towards the eagles the moment they got near why are people debating this? Yeah, I mean do people really think that the entire army of hell is going to be like "yeah, we're an army of millions, we're going to kick their a**... What?!? They got eagles.... shucks the one thing we didn't prepare for... okay, everybody back to hell." Except for the fact that their army of millions didn't have the power of flight.
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Post by Nathan Bridger on Jan 22, 2013 20:18:34 GMT -5
Along with closed fists now being legal in WWE, I've noticed in the last couple of years that the referees don't bother counting to five when someone's on the top turnbuckle anymore. Strictly speaking, standing on the top rope is considered "an illegal part of the ring."
Despite this, they'll still count to five when Sheamus has someone tied up in the ropes and clubs them ten times.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 22, 2013 20:22:39 GMT -5
Along with closed fists now being legal in WWE, I've noticed in the last couple of years that the referees don't bother counting to five when someone's on the top turnbuckle anymore. Strictly speaking, standing on the top rope is considered "an illegal part of the ring." I always thought they were getting counted to ten because they were technically out of the ring.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 22, 2013 20:56:13 GMT -5
Hmmm, Knockout Punch is so tasty. I'll buy 10.
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