Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 1, 2013 3:35:37 GMT -5
Geez, all this pent up hostility and harsh accusations and sudden, early votes...... That's my job, damn it. Now, obviously you should look at who voted for RKTaker. It's silly to think the Mafia didn't at least partially vote for him, they knew he wasn't with them. But I feel confident that ALL the Mafia did not vote for him, they don't want to cluster up, it gives them deniability. Here's (pardon the expression) the riddle. If we can safely assume at least four Mafia, how many vote for Taker? Almost certainly not all of them. Which leaves the others, the ones who voted elsewhere or not at all. Which group do you examine first? The ones who voted out the townie. So the other Mafia slip by unnoticed outside the list. So we need to talk to those who DIDN'T vote for him. Easiest way is to start with the ones who voted, but not for him. FOS: SNS FOS: Pegasus FOS: BrawlerTell us why you voted outside the lynch and if you stand by those votes. And let us know what you think of the current situation regarding the accusations being thrown around.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Feb 1, 2013 8:40:26 GMT -5
If that's the case Jono do you think they might have voted for one of their own? That's what I would do, especially if I knew there was no way they were getting the lynch that RK invited, so that if their ally they voted for ever does flip mafia they can point out their early suspicion.
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Jonathan Michaels
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Feb 1, 2013 9:17:17 GMT -5
If that's the case Jono do you think they might have voted for one of their own? That's what I would do, especially if I knew there was no way they were getting the lynch that RK invited, so that if their ally they voted for ever does flip mafia they can point out their early suspicion. It's entirely possible.
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Post by Dub H on Feb 1, 2013 9:33:38 GMT -5
If that's the case Jono do you think they might have voted for one of their own? That's what I would do, especially if I knew there was no way they were getting the lynch that RK invited, so that if their ally they voted for ever does flip mafia they can point out their early suspicion. That is.....actually something very clever to think of.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 1, 2013 10:06:29 GMT -5
So if Lodi, Mohican or Pegasus turn up mafia... look at Pegasus, myself, or brawler(respectively) as possible mafia employing "blending 101" ... as spartan termed it in TB. This was the same reasoning I was using to go after jazzman if taker flipped mafia, so I definately agree the idea has merit.
Though all three placed our votes prior the Rktaker we they didn't remove/change our votes either. If hayden ever flips mafia, I welcome anyone that has questions of me to ask them.
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@ jono... i was going to vote taker the next day. Even though I exlpained why I thought he was town, he would have been a distraction on day 2 if he had stayed in the game, and if DBZ showed me anything, is that we don't need to harp on the same suspect/subject for multiple days, especially early on in the game.
There was still the possibility that he could have outright quit and gotten replaced, which is why I was willing to wait til closer to the deadline. We still had over 24 hours when the hammer dropped... But some people got a little trigger happy.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 1, 2013 10:07:37 GMT -5
*prior to the rktaker thing,
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 1, 2013 10:14:27 GMT -5
Will post my complete scum/town/on the fence breakdown this afternoon.
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Post by TOO SWEET on Feb 1, 2013 10:50:31 GMT -5
So if Lodi, Mohican or Pegasus turn up mafia... look at Pegasus, myself, or brawler(respectively) as possible mafia employing "blending 101" ... as spartan termed it in TB. This was the same reasoning I was using to go after jazzman if taker flipped mafia, so I definately agree the idea has merit. *Blending in 101* Blending 101 is how you make a delicious fruit smoothie.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Feb 1, 2013 10:54:11 GMT -5
Don't be so defensive, Stinger. My post was based on Day One alone.
Orange would be the person that's kept that consistent play-it-safe vibe.
I voted for lodirulz on Day One. By the time I got back to see everything unfold in the direction it went, it was night phase. I just went back and read the way it all played out in retrospect and those things posted on the previous page are what stood out to me at the time. I put them on my phone notes app and just copied and pasted pretty much. So yeah, day one stuff. Not a lynch mob, not a vote. Discussion: our friend in this game.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Feb 1, 2013 10:55:32 GMT -5
Something I have been thinking about. I got to hand it to masonk for the set up for this game. It's played off all my preconcieved conceptions and kept me second guessing a lot of the metastory. When I joined I assumed we would be members of the Bat-family trying to catch a few rogues. My role pm which I will try not to reveal much about changed that perception. So I assumed he had done a reversal and the town would be all inmates and the mafia being the heroes come to shut us down. Then our first lynch is Batman and he is town. So that theory was off too.
So, what does that have to do with the actual game play? Maybe nothing but maybe a lot more than we are looking at. Our killers won't be revealed until they die. So we cannot assume anyone is really town. We have had a Penguin roleclaim and by the write up he looks townie but then again isn't the very nature of Batman's rogues to pull off elaborate schemes. Anybody could roleclaim and it doesn't really mean anything. The facts are there are a small group who want to eliminate the large majority until the small group are the majority. The stories with the rogues and even the heroes are so in depth you could write a plausible reason for any of them to ally or just as plausible a reason for any of them to hate each other. Penguin could team up with Joker or Joker could also want the bird man dead. So much to look into.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 1, 2013 11:44:31 GMT -5
Any of these could change at any time, but currently where I stand.
Town (75% or better feeling): *Jazzman - already explained, but will repost for single post reference. No way do I see the guy put himself out there like that on day 1 for a townie that he can't of known the role of. *BitW - Day 1 town tell *BoilerRoomBrawler - new player who immediately hinted at his character. Not something I would expect to see out of a mafia player playing in his first game.
Fence leaning town: *Z-Natural - looked to be legitimately trying to get the town to come together to agree on a lynch for day 1. *The Man They Call Asher - Had him as Town based on writeup analysis. Mason's recent post on his writeups has me reconsidering this some. But I still am leaning towards town. *Dammit Cage(King!) - Early character hint. Experienced enough that he wouldn't have done this if he was mafia. *Ritt - Scumhunting, good rationale as to how to figure out who is mafia. *Produceman - gave a method for allowing the roleblocker to post his findings without actually having to roleclaim.
Fence (50/50): *HH - not seen anything myself, but others have some suspicions about him. Has hinted at his character. *Brad is Tough Enough - Has posted alot without saying alot... if you get my meaning. No real read yet. *All Hail Street Spartan - Unusually low key this game. *Spiked Mohican (Hayden) - No read. Has some good reasoning and appears to be paying attention. *Knailsic - strong hints on his character. Put the hammer on taker. More actuve than normal, not sure if that is indicitive of anything. *Jono Michaels - No read yet. Interesting theory with his first post. If all voter/votee's turn up town, people may want to look towards jono. Mafia would know if mafia were targetting/being targetted, so could be easy to point the voting when you know mafia were not involved. Too outlandish of a theory right now to consider... but maybe late game when peoples roles become confirmed. *Moonie - Low post count and new. Thought he hinted at his character, but have since reconsidered. Interesting login name. *stinger4christ - Has questions like he's new, but I'm pretty sure I've played with him before. I really don't know what to make of him at this point. *pegasuswarrior - appears to be scumhunting. something feels a little off with him this time around. If Orange ends up ever flipping mafia, I will feel more comfortable with peg. *Lodi "Cyborg" Rulz - no read. appears to be more active this game than usual(someone please correct me if i'm wrong).
Fence leaning mafia: *Zack Morris is Insane - Staying right on the fence between the asher/sns thing. Almost appears to be trying to "fan the flames". *Orange - I had no read on him at all. Pegasus makes a good point on his tiptoeing(sp?) *Yami Redgrave - His vote right after my post explaining why I thought taker was town just doesn't sit right with me. *Wolf Hurricane - Wolf was actually 50/50 for me all through day 1. But his "i'm not going to give a reaction" post seems off. People should have some sort of reaction to an accusation. Not an over-reaction mind you, but at least some reaction. Its like he's trying to hold back a reaction as not to give himself away.
Mafia (25% or worse feeling): Only day 2... noone is screaming mafia to me yet.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Feb 1, 2013 11:51:26 GMT -5
I have explained why I haven't been active this day phase much I've been going through a terrible week this week I even posted about it in my Tough Enough 3 topic.
Things are finally calming down for me in real life so hopefully I can put more of an effort into playing this game.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 1, 2013 11:54:47 GMT -5
I have explained why I haven't been active this day phase much I've been going through a terrible week this week I even posted about it in my Tough Enough 3 topic. Things are finally calming down for me in real life so hopefully I can put more of an effort into playing this game. Never been in your TE3 thread, so i did not realize. Sorry if real life is part of the issue. Never like hearing that. That said, you ARE the third highest poster in this game.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Feb 1, 2013 11:57:22 GMT -5
I was quite active during Day 1 its just this day phase I haven't been because I couldn't really concentrate because of some stuff that went on this week in real life.
Later today I'm going to try and read through this and give a list of who I think is suspicious and who I think is town.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Feb 1, 2013 12:05:52 GMT -5
EBWOP: The reason I mentioned the Tough Enough 3 topic was because I didn't want anybody thinking I was lying about all this stuff I did post about it in another topic, I never posted what it was exactly and I wont do that because this is very personal that is going on with me I did tell Daime about this real life stuff in private he gave me some words of encouragement to help me through this so hopefully this negative thing that went on this week in my real life doesn't effect my playing of this game, my Hall of Fame tournament or Tough Enough 3.
Like I say later today I'll try and have a list of my suspicions and everything.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 1, 2013 12:13:52 GMT -5
EBWOP: The reason I mentioned the Tough Enough 3 topic was because I didn't want anybody thinking I was lying about all this stuff I did post about it in another topic, I never posted what it was exactly and I wont do that because this is very personal that is going on with me I did tell Daime about this real life stuff in private he gave me some words of encouragement to help me through this so hopefully this negative thing that went on this week in my real life doesn't effect my playing of this game, my Hall of Fame tournament or Tough Enough 3. Like I say later today I'll try and have a list of my suspicions and everything. Hope i didn't come off as saying I didn't believe you.. Cause I do(without going to the TE3 thread). It was more to solidify my comment than to bring yours into question. RL comes first. These games, even though they are intense and very competitive at times, are just for fun. As probably the only other fellow kentuckonian(kentuckonite?) in the forum games section... I really hope things start to get better.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Feb 1, 2013 12:15:13 GMT -5
SNS -- how does hinting at your character make you town? Just a question.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Feb 1, 2013 12:18:08 GMT -5
SNS -- how does hinting at your character make you town? Just a question. I explained the two that I marked as town. The others were just notes.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Feb 1, 2013 12:43:12 GMT -5
To answer Pegasus's earlier query, indeed, I stayed out of the whole RKTaker situation. But that's because I didn't see much point in getting involved. I'm not exactly I guy who likes to get in the middle of stuff like that. I'd rather avoid confrontation if I can and focus instead on sniffing out scum.
I've been looking back at the votes BitW posted earlier. Really though what sticks out to me are the people who voted for RK before he outright begged us to lynch him by making the Mafia bluff. I think those are the only ones that we'll really be able to get a read on as a result of it because that was before RK really had any sort of suspicion on him. After RK made his bluff though it's difficult to distinguish between who was town and who was scum.
Not to mention it's even possible that the Mafia didn't even bother speeding up the process once it began as someone mentioned earlier. Though when it slowed down near the end I suppose I could see one of them dropping the hammer just to make sure they didn't miss the chance to take someone out.
The three who voted before all the hullabaloo were Street Spartan, Jazzman, and arguably Produceman.
Of the three mentioned I have to go with Produceman by default as the person I'm most leery of. It's possible he jumped on RKTaker as soon as he saw the opportunity, especially when Spartan and Jazzman were pressuring him already. He also basically admitted that he only voted for him because RK incriminated himself since he was looking toward SnS before that.
So right now I'd like to ask Produceman a question: why did you vote for RKTaker initially? And were you suspicious of him before his admission? How so?
As for those who didn't there's not much I can say: I don't see Yami being scum. After all why would he FOS someone who was already on the chopping block? That seems like unwanted attention, something scum avoid like the plague.
Asher and Orange also voted pretty quickly one after the other, a mere two minutes between their votes to be precise. It's possible one or the other was trying to piggyback there. And with Asher's roleclaim that means Orange would be the one I'd lean towards, of course.
Those are really the only ones I can get any sort of read on based on the votes alone.
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Post by stinger on Feb 1, 2013 13:00:48 GMT -5
Don't be so defensive, Stinger. My post was based on Day One alone. Not trying to be defensive, just explanatory. Sorry if it came off that way. As to SnS's comment about seeming new even though I've played before: I have played three times I think, but never made it very far. So, as far as I'm concerned, I'm not really an experienced player. I was just inquiring as to what people were trying to find on Day One that could lead to finding out who the mafia is, since I've never really seen anyone be able to get a good read based on what comes out in Day One.
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