The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 26, 2013 11:37:55 GMT -5
Were you there when someone said that the Fortune is like the Four Horsemen...if the Four Horsemen had the intimidation factor of a vacuum to a dog? No, but the "S.E.X. is a poor man's every stable ever" incident still haunts me. Though at least that one was without casualties. I lost a dear friend to the "Main Event Mafia? More like LAME Event Mafia!" debacle.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 26, 2013 11:57:31 GMT -5
No, but the "S.E.X. is a poor man's every stable ever" incident still haunts me. Though at least that one was without casualties. I lost a dear friend to the "Main Event Mafia? More like LAME Event Mafia!" debacle. I nearly got banned for my post on why Immortal needed to die.
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saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Jan 26, 2013 16:38:26 GMT -5
I think one of the big differences is that Aces & Eights, after a good start with some brutal run-in beat-downs, quickly became a "WHO are they?" angle.
It was week after week after week of when is someone going to lose the mask, and who will it be.
And then it happened, it was ... a retread.
It's hard to get any air back into a punctured balloon.
Nexus and the Shield aren't WHO are they so much as WHY are they -- what do they want, why are they doing this?
If you are going to build an angle about WHO, your "third guy" needs to be a Hogan, as with the nWo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 16:44:01 GMT -5
Though at least that one was without casualties. I lost a dear friend to the "Main Event Mafia? More like LAME Event Mafia!" debacle. I nearly got banned for my post on why Immortal needed to die. I'll never forget the moment I said Front Line were a bunch of Second-tier talents. I have to look at those scars every day.
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klapaucius
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Post by klapaucius on Jan 26, 2013 18:29:35 GMT -5
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 26, 2013 23:48:08 GMT -5
Aces & 8's and Nexus are actually pretty comparable. Both started hot, for the first few months of both stables, each was booked really well & made for entertaining tv in their gang beatdowns & wondering who would get taken out next, both were booked like major threats to their entire companies. Unfortunately, both started looking weak after a few months & started losing the majority of their matches & they both just had their angles clearly stretched out a bit too far(Aces & 8's currently, Nexus splitting into New Nexus & the Corre) & it started looking like the writers were running out of ideas for both eventually. The Shield is doing good, so far, but remember it's only been less than 2 months since their debut & as I said, those other 2 were great for their first few months before dropping.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 27, 2013 0:04:50 GMT -5
Aces and Eights started out very hot. There were violent gang attacks, they would follow their next victims on Twitter, and it was a company-wide storyline where main eventers were questioning each other on who is in fact involved with the group. Unfortunately, starting out red hot was their downfall. The big reveal, at least the first big reveal (they still have to reveal the "higher power"), being Devon was a huge letdown, and it has been nothing but letdowns since. They started out so promising but they shot themselves in the foot by not going big with the first reveal. Aces and Eights and Nexus actually have one thing in common, and it's not positive. Both groups didn't have an established guy to bring them credibility. No one is going to buy Luke Gallows and Mike Knox beating Kurt Angle, Sting, Samoa Joe, etc, just like having one of the Nexus guys beat Cena was probably going to border on unrealistic. That's the way wrestling works. If you spent months building someone up, and then they beat Cena, that's one thing, but to just have a random group of rookies come in and do it is totally different. In TNA's case, the fact that people remember Gallows and Knox as WWE guys is probably a hinderance. It's not like they look like Matt Morgan and can be pushed hard because of it. The best way to do an angle like this is nWo style. Get established guys, protect the hell out of them, make them seem like a huge threat, and go from there. Bischoff was smart enough to not be afraid to feed WCW guys to Hall and Nash, but it seems WWE and TNA are, and with good reason (see above). Pretty much this. Aces and Eights would have work better if they where NWO style booked. But they are not. The TNA guys have already beaten then countless of times in random tag, singles, cage, and whatever you want. I get ok Gallows and Knox are to big talent big man wrestlers. But you need to make them a threat in some way. They can be looked at there former WWE guys. That not what going too kill them. If that was the case Austin and Foley would never made it big because they where former WCW midcarders. They stable needs a true ME talent too lead it and look like a threat in matches not just in attacks. Gallows, Knox, D-von, and a couple gun check guys isn't going to make me spend money at it. Then you add guys like Taz who adds nothing to the stable. because he can't do nothing. Nexus could worked with more wins. If they went out and beat Cena's ass. I could buy it because there was little to be known about the guys. They could easily cut a promo on the show itself saying it was a joke and that they came to not play games. It's time for a change and beating up top guys would bring that point home. If Barrett did something like win the title against Orton. That whole stable could been big and you had yourself a new fresh top heel. And we all know Barrett was getting big heat at arenas.
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Glitch
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Post by Glitch on Jan 27, 2013 0:12:15 GMT -5
The only solution is for both tna and wwe to tell shield/A&8s that the other group is talking smack about them, and then lock the door when they go outside.
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EJS
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Post by EJS on Jan 27, 2013 1:49:54 GMT -5
Aces & 8s is basically like if the JOB Squad was booked in a threatening way. A bunch of lesser known guys with middling careers, but instead of embracing that and being a joke, they want revenge and to hit people with hammers (also to get drunk and bang hookers).
It's not terrible, and it gives them plenty of opportunity to add new members whenever they want. Since TNA ignores half the roster usually, there is no shortage of people like Mr. Anderson you can book as "overlooked" or "disgruntled".
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 27, 2013 2:08:20 GMT -5
I would say because one is based around their actions and the other one about the big reveal.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 27, 2013 3:43:26 GMT -5
Don't try to find logic with the haters. Just accept that they hate everything TNA does, only cause they aren't the ones with book. Remember almost everyone who posts here thinks they could be the greatest booker who ever lived. Wah wah wah, people don't like something that I like. Aces & 8's is f***ing terrible. It's filled with underwhelming wrestlers, did not progress for six months and has only one legit threat in Mr Anderson.
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