hassanchop
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Post by hassanchop on Jan 28, 2013 12:45:37 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/north-koreans-reportedly-turn-cannibalism-due-hidden-famine-122128957.htmlBy Alexander Abad-Santos | The Atlantic Wire – 5 hrs ago News out of North Korean in notorious unreliable, but food shortages in the country have gotten so bad and people so desperate that there are now reports of men murdering their own children for food. These startling reports were compiled by independent reporters commissioned by Asia Press, a independent press agency focusing on Asia, and were published by the Sunday Times. And here's one of the most disturbing thing you'll read this morning: The source said: "While his wife was away on business he killed his eldest daughter and, because his son saw what he had done, he killed his son as well. When the wife came home, he offered her food, saying: 'We have meat.' "But his wife, suspicious, notified the Ministry of Public Security, which led to the discovery of part of their children's bodies under the eaves." And another from Gu Gwang-ho, one of the Asia Press's citizen journalists said: "There was an incident when a man was arrested for digging up the grave of his grandchild and eating the remains." The big question here is whether this is all true or new urban legends. Considering this is North Korea and taking into account the country's propensity to keep secrets and publish propaganda pieces—we'll likely never get real confirmation from their end. But Asia Press has worked with citizen reporters in the famine-struck regions of North and South Hwanghae for the past year, and The Independent considers their reports credible. Sadly, this isn't the first time we've heard reports of cannibalism from North Korea. Back in 2003, during another food shortage there were refugee accounts that people in the country began killing and eating their children and then selling their children's corpses. The Telegraph's Mark Nicol reported at the time: Aid agencies are alarmed by refugees' reports that children have been killed and corpses cut up by people desperate for food. Requests by the United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) to be allowed access to "farmers' markets", where human meat is said to be traded, have been turned down by Pyongyang, citing "security reasons". And then there's the fact that we know North Korea was devastated by storms and flooding in the summer of 2012. You can't hide a tropical cyclone. Thing have grown so desperate, that they almost took South Korean aid this September, which is a big deal considering the rocky relationship between the two countries and the North's fierce pride of independence. Reports of previous famines have been well documented and Asia Press claims that as many as 10,000 people may have died because of the "Hidden Famine" this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 12:52:22 GMT -5
Yeah this has been going on for a while.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 28, 2013 13:19:05 GMT -5
Unsurprisingly.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 28, 2013 13:19:17 GMT -5
As long as the military are well fed, the NK government don't give a bollocks.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 28, 2013 13:20:05 GMT -5
I'm calling BS. These stories have the style and sound of urban legends. I'm not saying people wouldn't resort to cannibalism, but these don't even make sense. Why would the woman in the first story only become suspicious when her husband told her they have meat? One would think she would have noticed right away that the children were missing. And then there's the overly dramatic "we have meat" which sounds like it came from a bad movie script. In the second story, if the guy was going to feed on corpses, why his own son's? Also, why go for already buried, and presumably decomposed bodies, rather than kill someone? Sure, a living victim will defend themselves but if the cadaver's already decomposed, there isn't much point to it, is there?
And, I know there's a famine, but surely there must still be some kind of animals or plants to eat rather than immediately turning to cannibalism, especially to the point of 10 000 people killed because of it in less than a year.
Seriously, these really sound like the kind of stories you'd hear about Germany during WW2 or the Eastern side of the country during the USSR's occupation, like the one about the woman asked to give a letter at a certain location, only for her to find out just in time that he was sending her to be butchered.
Add to this that they have no source and no evidence to back up their claim and I'm filing this under "rumors & urban legend: propaganda section" until we get some sort of proof.
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Post by Talent Name on Jan 28, 2013 17:33:49 GMT -5
The Zombie Apocalypse starts
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Post by mizerable on Jan 28, 2013 17:45:55 GMT -5
I'm so...hun-ry...so hun-ry...so hun-ry and sadry fanished.
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Post by greatmuta on Jan 28, 2013 18:52:21 GMT -5
This isn't a new thing in NK. I've read about this before along with people eating grass and bark.
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Post by greatmuta on Jan 28, 2013 18:57:19 GMT -5
I'm calling BS. These stories have the style and sound of urban legends. I'm not saying people wouldn't resort to cannibalism, but these don't even make sense. Why would the woman in the first story only become suspicious when her husband told her they have meat? One would think she would have noticed right away that the children were missing. And then there's the overly dramatic "we have meat" which sounds like it came from a bad movie script. In the second story, if the guy was going to feed on corpses, why his own son's? Also, why go for already buried, and presumably decomposed bodies, rather than kill someone? Sure, a living victim will defend themselves but if the cadaver's already decomposed, there isn't much point to it, is there? And, I know there's a famine, but surely there must still be some kind of animals or plants to eat rather than immediately turning to cannibalism, especially to the point of 10 000 people killed because of it in less than a year. Seriously, these really sound like the kind of stories you'd hear about Germany during WW2 or the Eastern side of the country during the USSR's occupation, like the one about the woman asked to give a letter at a certain location, only for her to find out just in time that he was sending her to be butchered. Add to this that they have no source and no evidence to back up their claim and I'm filing this under "rumors & urban legend: propaganda section" until we get some sort of proof. There's evidence in many different books on NK about cannibalism. You have to understand how poor NK people are. There's few animals in NK because there's no feed for them and because people already ate them. There's also no fertilizer for crops so they can't grow plants. Even when they try to, they get stolen by other hungry people. NK also has people collect their own droppings to use as fertilizer for the state and they store it in a guarded building because people were literally stealing each others droppings. It's that bad.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Jan 28, 2013 19:08:49 GMT -5
I'm calling BS. These stories have the style and sound of urban legends. I'm not saying people wouldn't resort to cannibalism, but these don't even make sense. Why would the woman in the first story only become suspicious when her husband told her they have meat? One would think she would have noticed right away that the children were missing. And then there's the overly dramatic "we have meat" which sounds like it came from a bad movie script. In the second story, if the guy was going to feed on corpses, why his own son's? Also, why go for already buried, and presumably decomposed bodies, rather than kill someone? Sure, a living victim will defend themselves but if the cadaver's already decomposed, there isn't much point to it, is there? And, I know there's a famine, but surely there must still be some kind of animals or plants to eat rather than immediately turning to cannibalism, especially to the point of 10 000 people killed because of it in less than a year. Seriously, these really sound like the kind of stories you'd hear about Germany during WW2 or the Eastern side of the country during the USSR's occupation, like the one about the woman asked to give a letter at a certain location, only for her to find out just in time that he was sending her to be butchered. Add to this that they have no source and no evidence to back up their claim and I'm filing this under "rumors & urban legend: propaganda section" until we get some sort of proof. There's evidence in many different books on NK about cannibalism. You have to understand how poor NK people are. There's few animals in NK because there's no feed for them and because people already ate them. There's also no fertilizer for crops so they can't grow plants. Even when they try to, they get stolen by other hungry people. NK also has people collect their own droppings to use as fertilizer for the state and they store it in a guarded building because people were literally stealing each others droppings. It's that bad. Even then, I would have to agree with the original comment about the over-exaggeration of the reports. I'm not saying there's no cannibalism in North Korea, but I'm calling BS on the personal recount stories.
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Post by greatmuta on Jan 28, 2013 19:12:27 GMT -5
There's evidence in many different books on NK about cannibalism. You have to understand how poor NK people are. There's few animals in NK because there's no feed for them and because people already ate them. There's also no fertilizer for crops so they can't grow plants. Even when they try to, they get stolen by other hungry people. NK also has people collect their own droppings to use as fertilizer for the state and they store it in a guarded building because people were literally stealing each others droppings. It's that bad. Even then, I would have to agree with the original comment about the over-exaggeration of the reports. I'm not saying there's no cannibalism in North Korea, but I'm calling BS on the personal recount stories. Do more research on NK. Rice is hard enough to get there yet alone meat. A whole family's monthly rations are equal to what one person eats in a week.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 28, 2013 19:21:37 GMT -5
This isn't a new thing in NK. I've read about this before along with people eating grass and bark. CNN had a news report about a NK dissident who related a story of being a boy at one of their prison camps: THE FOLLOWING STORY IS GROSS! DO NOT READ WHILE EATING... {Spoiler}Basically like many North Koreans the boy was starving. So one day he saw a cow patty with a piece of corn in it. He took the piece of corn and ate it. Remember, I warned you the story was gross. So I can semi believe cannibalism. I understand your skepticism Ssnakebite given it's in the media and from a very recluse and totalitarian regime, but I'm not nearly as quick to disregard it. Stalin's policy of all-out collectivization had disastrous effect on Ukrainian peasants forcing them to starve. As mentioned before as long as NK's army is well cared for that regime will more than likely stay.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Jan 28, 2013 19:30:13 GMT -5
Even then, I would have to agree with the original comment about the over-exaggeration of the reports. I'm not saying there's no cannibalism in North Korea, but I'm calling BS on the personal recount stories. Do more research on NK. Rice is hard enough to get there yet alone meat. A whole family's monthly rations are equal to what one person eats in a week. I was talking about the recounts of the supposed real events, like the man killing his children and telling his wife "we have meat" stories. Those are what I don't believe. Nothing to do with research there. I'm not saying there's no cannibalism in North Korea.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jan 28, 2013 20:21:11 GMT -5
ZOMBIES.
The conclusion is always zombies.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 28, 2013 21:43:50 GMT -5
Psy jokes anyone?
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 28, 2013 22:19:25 GMT -5
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 28, 2013 22:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 29, 2013 3:35:45 GMT -5
Still not believing it until we get more reliable sources than hear-say. I'm not saying it can't happen, but considering how many sensational stories ended up being completely made-up, I am very skeptical of these kind of stories by default. The Zombie Apocalypse starts ZOMBIES. The conclusion is always zombies. Considering one of the stories involves living people eating corpses, wouldn't that actually be the opposite of zombies?
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Post by hassanchop on Jan 29, 2013 10:09:53 GMT -5
Considering one of the stories involves living people eating corpses, wouldn't that actually be the opposite of zombies? Ghouls? Oh wait, they're not alive at all.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 29, 2013 10:14:00 GMT -5
Considering one of the stories involves living people eating corpses, wouldn't that actually be the opposite of zombies? Ghouls? Oh wait, they're not alive at all. I thought ghouls are just zombies who are under the control of a necromancer? (even though originally, the meaning of the two words was swapped)
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