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Post by Jet Jaguar on Jan 29, 2013 7:23:44 GMT -5
Why is GT named the blight of all of the DBZ sagas. I personally like the series seeing how it came with super sayain four goku, vegeta, and gogeta. I like the storyline with the red and cracked dragonballs. Can you voice your opinion for and tell me why you like/dislike the series, and if you do have an idea why other dislike it so much.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 29, 2013 7:25:13 GMT -5
It isn't canon. That's a big part of it. The manga ended before GT. Thus everything in GT doesn't actually happen.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 29, 2013 7:47:18 GMT -5
This is why I hate it
- To much focus on Goku and the other characters became jobbers or just simply there for the sake of it - Camp as hell, Fair enough DB was comedic at times but GT took the piss - Super Saiyan 4.....I HATE it - Goku as a kid - Horrid ending
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Post by Ash Kingston on Jan 29, 2013 8:02:55 GMT -5
Well... I think that ultimately, the problem with DBGT was that it wasn't needed. It did not need to exist; hell, the Buu Saga probably could have done without existing, too, from a story point of view, once Gohan got the proverbial torch from Goku.
To make a really bad analogy, Goku was basically Cena; they pushed him long after he should have taken a step back, and people probably got tired of the same ol' stuff from him.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 29, 2013 8:07:35 GMT -5
It isn't canon. That's a big part of it. The manga ended before GT. Thus everything in GT doesn't actually happen. It's like the Dragon Ball Extended Universe. I don't consider it as a true part of the franchise.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jan 29, 2013 8:24:01 GMT -5
doesnt GT stand for (or atleast japanese translation) Goku Transformation?, personally i watched the first few episodes but i hated him as a kid, if i wanted that id just watch Dragon Ball
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Post by Piccolo on Jan 29, 2013 8:28:50 GMT -5
I didn't understand anyone's personalities in DBGT. They didn't feel like the same characters at all.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Jan 29, 2013 8:42:40 GMT -5
doesnt GT stand for (or atleast japanese translation) Goku Transformation?, personally i watched the first few episodes but i hated him as a kid, if i wanted that id just watch Dragon Ball GT, at least from what I understand, is supposed to stand for "Grand Tour", which referred to the initial part of the series (aka "Dragon Ball... IN SPACE!!").
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 29, 2013 10:25:31 GMT -5
doesnt GT stand for (or atleast japanese translation) Goku Transformation?, personally i watched the first few episodes but i hated him as a kid, if i wanted that id just watch Dragon Ball GT, at least from what I understand, is supposed to stand for "Grand Tour", which referred to the initial part of the series (aka "Dragon Ball... IN SPACE!!"). and originally it was "Goten and Trunks" and it was supposed to follow them. It's been brought up before, but the Buu saga at the end of Z was supposed to have Gohan finally accepting his Saiyan blood. Then GT he settled down to start a family and Trunks and Goten were supposed to be the fighters. Hell the final episode of DBZ with Goku leaving to train Uub he tells Goten and Trunks that they are now the protectors of earth
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Post by Juice on Jan 29, 2013 11:38:53 GMT -5
It's canon cause it happened on tv. Nuff said. The people who seek out and read the manga are the ones going the extra mile for more. It's not like DBGT was a comic, it was an animated sequel to the other sagas.
Did it suck yes.
But it still counts, cause it exists.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 29, 2013 12:02:29 GMT -5
It's canon cause it happened on tv. Nuff said. The people who seek out and read the manga are the ones going the extra mile for more. It's not like DBGT was a comic, it was an animated sequel to the other sagas. Did it suck yes. But it still counts, cause it exists. But the anime is an adaptation of the manga, which stopped when Goku left with Uub. GT is like the movies, an ancillary project that is not conceived by Toriyama.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jan 29, 2013 12:03:16 GMT -5
It's badly written fanfiction.
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Post by Juice on Jan 29, 2013 12:08:22 GMT -5
It's canon cause it happened on tv. Nuff said. The people who seek out and read the manga are the ones going the extra mile for more. It's not like DBGT was a comic, it was an animated sequel to the other sagas. Did it suck yes. But it still counts, cause it exists. But the anime is an adaptation of the manga, which stopped when Goku left with Uub. GT is like the movies, an ancillary project that is not conceived by Toriyama. I am aware but regardless of it, it was conceived as a sequel to the events already created. It's like the last season of batman the Animated series. It still counts. It's not like it is the star wars expanded universe where some dude wrote a book. It is on tv sequel. Not a fan fiction. I think if anything the manga canon should be the manga and the animation is separate. You can't lump them together they aren't the same.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 29, 2013 12:14:05 GMT -5
I'm not totally familiar with GT, but it feels to me like an interesting idea that wasn't well executed. Kind of liked how it seemed it wanted to go back to Dragon Ball's roots, but it never did it very well.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 29, 2013 12:22:47 GMT -5
It should have ended with Cell. Buu Saga was a bunch of stalling and scraping the barrel for new power-ups. If that wasn't enough, then GT comes along and it's just sad.
Go ahead and enjoy GT if you want - i won't stop ya - but when I watch it, I see redesigns galore, a depressing sense that everything's already been done and nothing matters anymore, and it seems to try going back to the same well as Buu saga with excess.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 29, 2013 12:28:09 GMT -5
But the anime is an adaptation of the manga, which stopped when Goku left with Uub. GT is like the movies, an ancillary project that is not conceived by Toriyama. I am aware but regardless of it, it was conceived as a sequel to the events already created. It's like the last season of batman the Animated series. It still counts. It's not like it is the star wars expanded universe where some dude wrote a book. It is on tv sequel. Not a fan fiction. I think if anything the manga canon should be the manga and the animation is separate. You can't lump them together they aren't the same. I guess I think of it as cutting off when the primary creative voice left the project. Sort of like how I don't consider the seventh season of Gilmore Girls canon because the Palladinos were gone. To me, regardless of the differences between the manga and the anime (which, if I recall, are terribly slight and almost always in the direction of the anime adding filler to the manga rather than deliberately doing things in contrast to it), Dragon Ball is the creative output of Akira Toriyama, and the stuff that's not conceived by him is something extra.
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Post by Free Hat on Jan 29, 2013 12:38:53 GMT -5
But the anime is an adaptation of the manga, which stopped when Goku left with Uub. GT is like the movies, an ancillary project that is not conceived by Toriyama. I am aware but regardless of it, it was conceived as a sequel to the events already created. It's like the last season of batman the Animated series. It still counts. It's not like it is the star wars expanded universe where some dude wrote a book. It is on tv sequel. Not a fan fiction. I think if anything the manga canon should be the manga and the animation is separate. You can't lump them together they aren't the same. You can't divorce the anime from the manga. They were produced simultaneously and followed the EXACT same plot up until GT. For the most part the anime IS the manga, just with a bunch of extra shit thrown in to pad things out (resulting in a ton of plotholes and inconsistencies, but I digress). Your Batman example doesn't work because TAS was always conceived as a separate entity from the DC Comics continuity, and Batman itself is a 75 year legacy crafted and reinterpreted by multiple generations of writers. Dragon Ball is a self contained story created by a single author.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 29, 2013 12:41:44 GMT -5
If it's canon because it happened on TV, then did Dragon Ball Kai retcon it out of existence? Since it aired later and actually ended with the Cell saga.
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Post by Free Hat on Jan 29, 2013 13:10:55 GMT -5
^ They actually are going to go ahead and produce the Buu Saga. It was just announced a couple of months ago. Should be a lot more watchable this time around too, if only because it means a lot less of the Great Saiyaman.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Jan 29, 2013 14:17:37 GMT -5
It should have ended with Cell. Buu Saga was a bunch of stalling and scraping the barrel for new power-ups. If that wasn't enough, then GT comes along and it's just sad. Go ahead and enjoy GT if you want - i won't stop ya - but when I watch it, I see redesigns galore, a depressing sense that everything's already been done and nothing matters anymore, and it seems to try going back to the same well as Buu saga with excess. My sentiments exact. It wasn't necessary. GT, and even the Buu saga, undid everything Z worked hard on establishing (i.e. Gohan's slow arc from scared little child to the most powerful being and new protector). When Toriyama wanted Goku to stay dead and pass the role of the main character to Gohan, fans didn't approve, his editor pressured him, so Toriyama had no choice but to bring him back. Thus we got the Buu saga, and even then when Z was suppose to end with Goten and Trunks as new protectors leading into GT, we got Goku again. As for GT, like the Buu saga, it was jumbled mess with 2 or 3 good moments, served as fanfiction/fan service. I did like the ending montage though, with Goku walking through the crowd of people, before ascending into the air and saying goodbye. Again, it wasn't needed, and I would have been perfectly satisfied with the ending of the Cell saga (as it was supposed to be), but it was still nice. Too bad there was mostly dull material in between it.
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