BRV
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wants him some Taco Flavored Kisses.
Posts: 17,384
|
Post by BRV on Feb 11, 2013 17:41:19 GMT -5
A good point, if it was just the 2 of them, but the fact that they have kids.....makes a divorce too cruel at this point. That's life. Nearly 50 percent of marriages end in divorce, so it'd make sense for this show, once grounded in reality, to end in such an unrelentingly real way. I don't think Jim and Pam are going to get divorced. I think hints will be dropped and allusions will be made, but I think the show will end with them still together. They've spent the better part of the last four seasons deifying Jim and Pam as the patron saints of the office, so for the show to end with either of them being broken or vilified would be unlike the direction the show has taken. I think it'll end with something like Dunder Mifflin/Sabre going out of business, Andy goes back to Cornell, Jim and Pam find other work but stay together despite bumps in the road, Darrell stays in Philadelphia, Erin and Pete end up together, Dwight goes back to Schrute Farms and all the smaller characters just go their separate ways and find new work. The show's been real for the better part of nine years. In real life, things don't always end with something spectacular, some big bang or some amazing revelation. Often, things just sort of end. Look at 'King of the Hill'. It was arguably the most real depiction of middle America in television history. It didn't end with some grand finale, it ended (its original run), with the family hosting a barbecue. That's just the way real life is. Hank didn't need to leave Peggy, Bill didn't need to die, Dale didn't need to kill somebody, Boomhauer didn't need to find out that he could talk normally. It just came and went, and that's how I think 'The Office' will end.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 17:45:03 GMT -5
I don't understand why people want Jim and Pam to get divorced. Are people really that cynical? Or are people just wanting revenge over the decline in the show the last couple seasons and want to take it out on the one thing that remains a vestige of the old seasons? Y''know, Jim really fell in love with Pam as this nice quiet cute secretary and she became this ... very different person - which isn't necessarily bad, but Jim pretty much stayed the same. So, even in terms of character motivation it could justifiably work. Very good point.
|
|
The OP
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
changed his name
Posts: 15,785
|
Post by The OP on Feb 11, 2013 18:02:32 GMT -5
A good point, if it was just the 2 of them, but the fact that they have kids.....makes a divorce too cruel at this point. They've spent the better part of the last four seasons deifying Jim and Pam as the patron saints of the office What the hell does that even mean? It's just...no. No, they haven't. They haven't been doing that. They even did a whole story about how everyone in the office started to think they were annoying. I don't understand why it's necessary for people to come up with these bizarre, bogus criticisms to make a point. Why not just talk about the show, specific things that might indicate you actually know what you're talking about and give us your opinion about that, because these dramatic statements with no substance behind them are really getting annoying.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 18:23:35 GMT -5
They've spent the better part of the last four seasons deifying Jim and Pam as the patron saints of the office What the hell does that even mean? It's just...no. No, they haven't. They haven't been doing that. They even did a whole story about how everyone in the office started to think they were annoying. I don't understand why it's necessary for people to come up with these bizarre, bogus criticisms to make a point. Why not just talk about the show, specific things that might indicate you actually know what you're talking about and give us your opinion about that, because these dramatic statements with no substance behind them are really getting annoying. Yeah, but the characters who are annoyed by them are even more unlikable than Jim and Pam. So its like when the heel calls the face annoying in a wrestling program - it just reinforces what good people the faces are. I mean...Meredith or Angela being annoyed by someone is usually an indicator that they're good people.
|
|
The OP
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
changed his name
Posts: 15,785
|
Post by The OP on Feb 11, 2013 18:25:50 GMT -5
No, it was everyone. If you haven't seen the episode don't act like you know what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I mean. If you genuinely have a valid criticism of the show, make an actual real example and talk about it, or you're not really making a meaningful contribution to the conversation.
|
|
|
Post by austinariesfan88 on Feb 11, 2013 18:53:34 GMT -5
Even though it gets alot of criticism lately, I have still enjoy the show. Hopefully it ends on good terms with everyone happy and Andy back with Erin.
|
|
BRV
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wants him some Taco Flavored Kisses.
Posts: 17,384
|
Post by BRV on Feb 11, 2013 19:00:31 GMT -5
What the hell does that even mean? It's just...no. No, they haven't. They haven't been doing that. They even did a whole story about how everyone in the office started to think they were annoying. I don't understand why it's necessary for people to come up with these bizarre, bogus criticisms to make a point. Why not just talk about the show, specific things that might indicate you actually know what you're talking about and give us your opinion about that, because these dramatic statements with no substance behind them are really getting annoying. Season 6, Episode 1: "Gossip" - Jim and Pam fall on their swords for Stanley, revealing Pam's pregnancy to avoid the news of Stanley's affair from being made public by Michael. Season 6, Episodes 4/5: "Niagara" - The entire episode is a celebration of how perfect the Jim/Pam dynamic is, that even though Pam's dress ripped, Jim still turned it into the perfect wedding on the Maid of the Mist, despite making people wait hours at the church for a wedding that already happened. Season 6, Episode 11: "Shareholder Meeting" - Ryan is trying to usurp power from Jim, but he, along with his partner in crime, snuff him out by shoving him in a closet. Season 6, Episode 23: "Body Language" - Jim and Pam have the perfect sales pitch set up, but their perfection is ruined by Michael's antics. Season 6, Episode 25: "The Chump" - Jim and Pam, being the dedicated parents they are, struggling to balance work and a new baby, get to find a place to sleep at work. Season 7, Episode 6: "Costume Contest" - Jim and Pam, irritated at the fact that Danny never called her back after a date four years prior, keep poking and prodding him and when he reveals his reasons, they're devastated by the news that they themselves forced out of him. But all is made well when Jim shows up in a Popeye costume to save the day. Season 7, Episode 7: "Christening" - This one sort of comes full circle with the season premiere from this past September, but it just shows how the show is now basically the Jim and Pam Show starring other people, because we've never seen births or christenings for any other characters, aside from Jim and Pam. Season 7, Episode 16: "PDA" - Jim and Pam are drunk at work, but there's nothing to be seen here because they're just goofballs in love. Season 7, Episode 20: "Training Day"* - Now this is the one episode that seemed to fly in the face of Prom King Jim and Queen Pam, because, for once, we had a character, DeAngelo, tell them how unimportant and irritating they were. Season 7, Episode 23: "The Inner Circle" - Because Jim feels that DeAngelo's inner circle is sexist, he plays the hero and falls on his sword for Pam and all the women of the office, and is shunned for his efforts. Season 8, Episode 7: "Pam's Replacement" - A new, attractive employee enters the office, so obviously she's immediately smitten with Jim and Pam, being the callous succubus that she's morphed into, essentially forces Jim to admit that he finds Cathy attractive. Season 8, Episode 16: "After Hours" - Cathy, throwing herself at Jim, is rebuked because Jim is the devoted, dedicated husband who won't even make eye contact with another woman. This comes full circle with last week's episode, when Jim is aghast in horror when he finds out that Pam has actually spoken to another man (the boom operator). And season nine has essentially been one week after another of Jim and Pam trying to dig up hidden secrets on one another, only to find them, confront the other person about it, get angry, then smile and shrug it off. That's what I meant when Jim and Pam have become the infallible patron saints of the office. Their relationship is telfon, impervious to any wounding, and has been since the start of the sixth season.
|
|
|
Post by Stu on Feb 11, 2013 19:03:09 GMT -5
They've spent the better part of the last four seasons deifying Jim and Pam as the patron saints of the office What the hell does that even mean? It's just...no. No, they haven't. They haven't been doing that. They even did a whole story about how everyone in the office started to think they were annoying. I don't understand why it's necessary for people to come up with these bizarre, bogus criticisms to make a point. Why not just talk about the show, specific things that might indicate you actually know what you're talking about and give us your opinion about that, because these dramatic statements with no substance behind them are really getting annoying. How did his comment imply he doesn't know anything about the show?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 19:23:40 GMT -5
What the hell does that even mean? It's just...no. No, they haven't. They haven't been doing that. They even did a whole story about how everyone in the office started to think they were annoying. I don't understand why it's necessary for people to come up with these bizarre, bogus criticisms to make a point. Why not just talk about the show, specific things that might indicate you actually know what you're talking about and give us your opinion about that, because these dramatic statements with no substance behind them are really getting annoying. Season 6, Episode 1: "Gossip" - Jim and Pam fall on their swords for Stanley, revealing Pam's pregnancy to avoid the news of Stanley's affair from being made public by Michael. Season 6, Episodes 4/5: "Niagara" - The entire episode is a celebration of how perfect the Jim/Pam dynamic is, that even though Pam's dress ripped, Jim still turned it into the perfect wedding on the Maid of the Mist, despite making people wait hours at the church for a wedding that already happened. Season 6, Episode 11: "Shareholder Meeting" - Ryan is trying to usurp power from Jim, but he, along with his partner in crime, snuff him out by shoving him in a closet. Season 6, Episode 23: "Body Language" - Jim and Pam have the perfect sales pitch set up, but their perfection is ruined by Michael's antics. Season 6, Episode 25: "The Chump" - Jim and Pam, being the dedicated parents they are, struggling to balance work and a new baby, get to find a place to sleep at work. Season 7, Episode 6: "Costume Contest" - Jim and Pam, irritated at the fact that Danny never called her back after a date four years prior, keep poking and prodding him and when he reveals his reasons, they're devastated by the news that they themselves forced out of him. But all is made well when Jim shows up in a Popeye costume to save the day. Season 7, Episode 7: "Christening" - This one sort of comes full circle with the season premiere from this past September, but it just shows how the show is now basically the Jim and Pam Show starring other people, because we've never seen births or christenings for any other characters, aside from Jim and Pam. Season 7, Episode 16: "PDA" - Jim and Pam are drunk at work, but there's nothing to be seen here because they're just goofballs in love. Season 7, Episode 20: "Training Day"* - Now this is the one episode that seemed to fly in the face of Prom King Jim and Queen Pam, because, for once, we had a character, DeAngelo, tell them how unimportant and irritating they were. Season 7, Episode 23: "The Inner Circle" - Because Jim feels that DeAngelo's inner circle is sexist, he plays the hero and falls on his sword for Pam and all the women of the office, and is shunned for his efforts. Season 8, Episode 7: "Pam's Replacement" - A new, attractive employee enters the office, so obviously she's immediately smitten with Jim and Pam, being the callous succubus that she's morphed into, essentially forces Jim to admit that he finds Cathy attractive. Season 8, Episode 16: "After Hours" - Cathy, throwing herself at Jim, is rebuked because Jim is the devoted, dedicated husband who won't even make eye contact with another woman. This comes full circle with last week's episode, when Jim is aghast in horror when he finds out that Pam has actually spoken to another man (the boom operator). And season nine has essentially been one week after another of Jim and Pam trying to dig up hidden secrets on one another, only to find them, confront the other person about it, get angry, then smile and shrug it off. That's what I meant when Jim and Pam have become the infallible patron saints of the office. Their relationship is telfon, impervious to any wounding, and has been since the start of the sixth season. Most of these are complaints that the protaganists are good people.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 19:59:24 GMT -5
No, it was everyone. If you haven't seen the episode don't act like you know what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I mean. If you genuinely have a valid criticism of the show, make an actual real example and talk about it, or you're not really making a meaningful contribution to the conversation. I find your lack of credible, real examples disheartening and doesn't support your demand for others to do so.
|
|
|
Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 11, 2013 20:36:43 GMT -5
Well, except for the Mega-Lo Mart explosion. And Bill stealing that tank. And the Dusty Hill reality show. And Peggy surviving a skydiving accident and showing no permanent effects after her recovery. And the theft of Dale's mower leading to what was mistaken for a sniper attack. And Bobby's bad stomach leading to a church burning. And Cotton trying to spit on Japan's PM and Hank having a Japanese twin half-brother. And Ms. Wakefield breaking and entering in order to die in the Hill family's house. And Chuck Mangione literally living in a Mega-Lo Mart. And Hank's old coach chasing down peewee football players with his car. And Hank being mistaken for a pimp. And the entire town of Arlen formerly being one big brothel. And That's My Purse. And the brawl with the cast of American Chopper.
Don't get me wrong, I generally agree with you on KOTH's impact, but it had its zany moments.
|
|
BorneAgain
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,473
Member is Online
|
Post by BorneAgain on Feb 11, 2013 20:44:25 GMT -5
Really, this Jam/Pam stuff should have started subtly around season 7 and then gradually built to this point. It, like so many other elements of season 9 feels really shoehorned in, as if the writers realized they had only 22 more episodes and decided to rush everything.
|
|
BRV
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wants him some Taco Flavored Kisses.
Posts: 17,384
|
Post by BRV on Feb 11, 2013 20:49:05 GMT -5
Well, except for the Mega-Lo Mart explosion. And Bill stealing that tank. And the Dusty Hill reality show. And Peggy surviving a skydiving accident and showing no permanent effects after her recovery. And the theft of Dale's mower leading to what was mistaken for a sniper attack. And Bobby's bad stomach leading to a church burning. And Cotton trying to spit on Japan's PM and Hank having a Japanese twin half-brother. And Ms. Wakefield breaking and entering in order to die in the Hill family's house. And Chuck Mangione literally living in a Mega-Lo Mart. And Hank's old coach chasing down peewee football players with his car. And Hank being mistaken for a pimp. And the entire town of Arlen formerly being one big brothel. And That's My Purse. And the brawl with the cast of American Chopper. Don't get me wrong, I generally agree with you on KOTH's impact, but it had its zany moments. It was plenty wacky, but at its core, it was an honest look at middle America. Every show has its share of absurdities but at the end of the day, animated or not, it just felt like a show that you could relate to on so many levels. For the most parts, characters stayed true to who they were and displayed slight evolutions, as real people do, as opposed to other sitcoms, in which characters' traits in the first season or two are turned up to 11 and they become caricatures. (Kevin Malone, I'm looking right at you.)
|
|