King Ghidorah
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Post by King Ghidorah on Feb 15, 2013 6:32:05 GMT -5
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 15, 2013 6:35:18 GMT -5
Um, what the f***?
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Post by willywonka666 on Feb 15, 2013 7:38:23 GMT -5
This thread will probably get locked. that being said: "not something for us to get into,”-f*** them. What the f*** kind of excuse is that? If someone's not all there that's one thing, if they harm others, get them the f*** away from other people. All involved should be ashamed except the victim and her family
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 15, 2013 7:54:19 GMT -5
Are you f'n kidding me?! It's a gang rape and the police just goes "ew, gross, let's just ignore it and hopefully it'll go away"?! It seriously sounds like a particularly dark Simpsons episode in which the cops don't want to do the job of a cop.
There's something rotten these days about society's reaction to sexual violence. I can't believe that in the XXIst century, there are still so many people convinced that rape isn't that big a deal and the the victims "ask for it' or whatever BS they spew to attempt to justify it. If they're aware enough to do something this horrible, they're aware enough to face the consequence.
ANd that school, A F'N SCHOOL helps rapists get away with assaulting one of their students. They should be considered accomplices and I hope authorities have it closed. Who knows how many similar stories they covered up and/or are willing to in the future?
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Post by Ishmeal Loves BBL Bayley on Feb 15, 2013 8:06:48 GMT -5
As someone who has worked in special needs for the better part of 5 years, this is a horrible situation.
On one hand, in any situation like this involving this population, investigations have to be done to safeguard all parties involved from this ever happening again. Things have to be taken into account, such as understanding of sexual situations and whether the people involved have the ability to even consent to sex. At the very least, even given their young age, this should be done before any kind of judgement is rendered. It is said in the story that one of the boys was "competent enough to be convicted of robery (paraphrasing)" so that tells me that an evaluation should at the very least have taken place.
On the other hand, they committed a heinous crime upon an innocent girl who was not (according to her mother) able to consent to such an act, even if she did want it (which obviously she didn't). And for the law to just disregard it because of their mental status is unreal. Like I said earlier, at the very least, the investigators should have ordered the evaluations of their understanding of sex and sexual situations to take place, and go from there on their course of action, whether to let the law or the school handle it, etc.
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Post by dlg3000 on Feb 15, 2013 8:12:36 GMT -5
I agree. These kids should be punished. It is a gang rape and the girl should have closure, if that is possible.
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Post by Piccolo on Feb 15, 2013 8:23:51 GMT -5
It's not CONSENSUAL because someone has a low IQ. What the. I. I don't even.
So what would happen if a large man with a low IQ held down a woman of average intelligence and raped her? That would be consensual?
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 15, 2013 8:30:43 GMT -5
So the school (whom probably would be held liable for letting this happen) asked for the case to be dropped and the police actually listened?
What a total and complete load of #%#!@%
Somebody's going to reopen this case.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 15, 2013 8:30:50 GMT -5
It's not CONSENSUAL because someone has a low IQ. What the. I. I don't even. So what would happen if a large man with a low IQ held down a woman of average intelligence and raped her? That would be consensual? Well obviously if the woman has a higher I.Q., she's the one raping him. There is no way this doesn't make sense.
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Crappler El 0 M
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 15, 2013 9:25:25 GMT -5
Ridiculous. It comes off as them saying: Oh well, they're special needs kids. Nothing we can do. Move on.
I think it is offensive to suggest that it was consensual.
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amaron
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Post by amaron on Feb 15, 2013 10:29:59 GMT -5
Welcome to the backwards world of handling special needs children/teens/adults.
I wake up in a cold sweat wondering what is going to happen to my kids.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Feb 15, 2013 10:31:46 GMT -5
Ridiculous. It comes off as them saying: Oh well, they're special needs kids. Nothing we can do. Move on.I think it is offensive to suggest that it was consensual. It seriously feels like they think that them having low IQ essentially makes them animals, therefore it's best not to worry about it.
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The OP
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Post by The OP on Feb 15, 2013 11:48:04 GMT -5
Damn, reading that shit made me cry. I'm not even kidding, that whole situation just makes me really sad. I especially feel bad for the girl, of course.
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Post by 543Y2J on Feb 15, 2013 11:53:59 GMT -5
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 15, 2013 12:04:00 GMT -5
What the f***.
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Post by Pervy Stone Cold on Feb 15, 2013 12:21:46 GMT -5
So what I am getting is, the default ruling for people who don't have the capacity to consent to a crime is that they DID consent?! Good lord.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 15, 2013 12:41:02 GMT -5
By that logic, if you are mentally disabled, you have carte blanche to rape and be raped.
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Toxik916
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Post by Toxik916 on Feb 15, 2013 13:25:30 GMT -5
Wow there are no words to describe just how f***ed up this is. The girl told investigators she said "no" and "stop" so she obviously was aware that what was happening wasn't right. This is complete bullshit and the school is just trying to save themselves from a crippling lawsuit. I hope a lawyer reads this and takes the school to the cleaners.
The rapists deserve to be prosicuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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Crappler El 0 M
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 15, 2013 14:25:05 GMT -5
I have been disturbed by this story since I read it on here earlier today. It has really made me think.
I don't know New York law, but I assume in NY law the victim was considered old enough to give consent. Based on her testimony to police, she clearly objected and resisted. I see one or more of the boys banging her head as an attempt to control her and stop her from resisting.
I was once a teacher. Perhaps the most basic and essential rule teachers are trained to follow is to never leave students alone in the classroom. This should be obvious as there could be fights, bullying and intimidation, vandalism and destruction of property, cheating, and yes, even incidents of sexual assault, molestation, etc. It's a major liability issue. This should be especially true in a school for "special-needs kids and juvenile delinquents." I am ASSUMING that there was no teacher in the classroom at the time of the incident as no teacher or paraprofessional would allow this to happen.
Clearly the teachers and school were negligent and breaking protocol set up for the safety of the students. I can understand at least the theory that these teens did not comprehend that they were raping someone against her will and that it was wrong, that these boys were acting out their physical and biological urges and did not have the mental capacity to comprehend that they should not do it. I'm not saying I accept that this was the case, but I can at least understand that there could be teenage boys with mental developmental problems who could not control themselves or not understand the consequences of what they were doing. I would guess that the teens understood what they were doing and recognized that they had an opportunity to do it.
Obviously we do not know these children. Where everyone should have a problem is with the school/teacher(s). These students should never have been left alone without a teacher. I find it next to impossible that when a teacher did enter the room that he or she would not have been able to tell that something had happened to the victim. The parents of the victim should have been contacted immediately and the local law enforcement should have been contacted to investigate.
I cannot understand how this school would not be subject to a lawsuit or criminal prosecution.
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Post by Throwback on Feb 15, 2013 14:42:03 GMT -5
every time I hear about a rape case being closed. I just think it's going to raise the chance of murder and/or suicide. I know 2 wrongs don't make a right. But I have a teenage daughter and if god forbid anything like this happened to her and the police decided to drop the case. I know myself well enough that I would probably take matters into my own hands.
Now let's take that out of the equation and let's look at this as situation where this is a school for special needs and the children were left unsupervised long enough for this to happen. Sadly we're living in world were people just want to wake up and do the bare minimum in order to make a living. Not only that but thanks to social media devices. It's been made easier to ignore ones duties while playing angry birds or whatever todays new big thing is. Now I'm not saying everyone does this. But it does seem like most do. This is a school, I'd like to assume people in that profession chose it for their love of children. And I intimately and personally know what it's like in the special needs school system where sometimes the student to worker ratio can get up to 6:1 and it can get troublesome and hard to focus on all 6 students if one is having an attack or needs 1 on 1 care. But fo 3 students to be unsupervised for the length of time for this to happen is deplorable.
I also understand that the 2 kids who did this may not know or understand how they did something wrong. But in situations like this. That doesn't matter. They should be punished to the same extent as anyone else. Regardless of how they'll handle it.
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