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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 15, 2013 21:50:49 GMT -5
Still holds up to me after all these years. One movie I never get sick of it. Also thought this scene was a perfect way to end the movie.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 15, 2013 21:57:36 GMT -5
Its a strange thing to say given how often flawed adaptations typically bug me, but in hindsight I kind like Burton's own macabre take on the character. While seeing a straight comic book esque live version of him (not gothic like Burton, down to earth crime drama with Nolan, or campy like the 60s series) would be nice, its just unique to see a bit of a twisted view on the dark knight.
As I said before its perhaps the only non-comic version of the character to suggest Batman might very well be insane, and while it and Returns are very flawed, often because they deviate from the source material of the series, it made for a more interesting set of films because of it.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 15, 2013 23:11:37 GMT -5
I love Buton's logic for casting Keaton; outside of having already worked with him and knowing his capability, he argued that he could not try to cast an unknown opposite Nicholson, who would have completely overshadowed some less well known actor. But he also argued that Keaton's other quirky and comedic roles made him better suited to the role because he " couldn't take a serious, dramatic actor like DeNiro or Pacino and make them look realistic getting into a set of Batman tights."
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 15, 2013 23:15:59 GMT -5
Visually it looks great, as does Returns, but last year I watched them for the first time since the mid-90s and neither one holds up for me any more.
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Post by The OP on Feb 15, 2013 23:34:58 GMT -5
Still the best Batman film ever made in my opinion. There were a couple of scenes that didn't work, but Burton's vision (with a little help from some much better informed advisers) still holds up as the best compromise between the Batman of the comic book world and an attempt to fit him into the "real world" a little more realistically for the sake of a live action movie. I think it's a shame that there's been such an initiative to rewrite history and make Jack Nicholson's performance something less than the brilliant job he did. People who say that he was just "playing himself" are both withholding well-deserved credit and have some very strange ideas about who Jack Nicholson is in real life, that's all I can say. It just goes to show what a great job he did, and it was a unique performance that could not be easily imitated. I think when it's all said and done and the hype for the current movie series dies down, Jack Nicholson will be remembered as having done the best job of playing the Joker.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 16, 2013 0:19:16 GMT -5
The first two Batman movies are still the best ones
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Post by Lupin the Third on Feb 16, 2013 0:41:03 GMT -5
Best Batman movie EVER.
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Post by hotshotalex on Feb 16, 2013 1:07:02 GMT -5
Fan of it as a kid but it really has not aged well.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Feb 16, 2013 1:07:06 GMT -5
The Burton/Schumacher Batman Blu Ray set is out of print and it upsets me very much, I'd love to replace my DVD set.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Feb 16, 2013 7:59:29 GMT -5
Watched it a few weeks ago and still found it enjoyable. Not my favorite Batman movie ever, but it's still really good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2013 8:02:46 GMT -5
Absolutely love it, and I'd say it's a pretty safe bet to call it my favorite Batman movie. Second place gets trickier, with Returns, Under the Red Hood, Begins, and Rises all having a fair shot at it.
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Post by Legion on Feb 16, 2013 8:11:33 GMT -5
This is a great Batman movie as a comic book adaptation.
It's got drama, its got some comedy, its got some camp. It doesnt take itself overly serious and it has a nice flare to it stylistically.
I love this one, I love returns and I love Begins.......but this one edges out the others as my favourite I think
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Post by Free Hat on Feb 16, 2013 8:27:00 GMT -5
It has no plot. Once you get past the Joker's origin story at the beginning of the film, the whole thing degenerates into series of random events with no coherent narrative. It honestly feels like they were making it up as they went along, and in some ways they were. They didn't even know what the ending was going to be until they'd already started shooting.
So while I think the movie is visually interesting and the actors do a lot with the material they're given, the material itself is weak, and I've never cared for it.
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Post by bigbadbull on Feb 16, 2013 11:27:32 GMT -5
It has no plot. Once you get past the Joker's origin story at the beginning of the film, the whole thing degenerates into series of random events with no coherent narrative. It honestly feels like they were making it up as they went along, and in some ways they were. They didn't even know what the ending was going to be until they'd already started shooting. So while I think the movie is visually interesting and the actors do a lot with the material they're given, the material itself is weak, and I've never cared for it. I actually think there's some type of plot in this movie and I still kind of like it for nostalgia, but it honestly doesn't hold up well. So much of the film screams late 80s and and they connect Bruce Wayne to Jack Napier seems way too contrived and too much of a coincidence.
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Post by The OP on Feb 16, 2013 11:33:11 GMT -5
There is too a plot, and I don't see how it's hard to follow at all. Joker is poisoning the citizens of Gotham, is foiled by Batman. What's confusing about that?
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Post by bigbadbull on Feb 16, 2013 11:42:56 GMT -5
There is too a plot, and I don't see how it's hard to follow at all. Joker is poisoning the citizens of Gotham, is foiled by Batman. What's confusing about that? That plot point just seemed to be tacked on. There was no rhyme or reason for The Joker to performed this plan. It was as if the writer had to create some devious plan for The Joker so he came up with this. Say what you will about The Dark Knight, but at least The Joker's plan in that movie started from the beginning and made total sense.
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Post by The OP on Feb 16, 2013 11:51:38 GMT -5
He did it because he wanted to be the center of attention in Gotham but Batman was getting all the headlines, so he decided to take a new drastic measure by distributing toxic chemicals. It's as good of a reason as any Joker has for doing anything in Dark Knight. I don't wanna this to deteriorate into a total Batman vs. Dark Knight fest, but that movie had stuff like the scene with the two boats at the end that were just as ridiculous as anything in any of the Burton films (with the possible exception of a giant rubber ducky in Batman Returns). I liked TDK too, but come on. I like the '89 film more, and I don't mind if people disagree and think TDK is the best Batman movie but some of the stock reasons that get tossed around (like the thing I mentioned about Jack Nicholson "playing himself") I find annoying.
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Post by dav on Feb 16, 2013 13:56:09 GMT -5
Hasn't really held up well. Jack Nicholson plays a good Ceasero but the film was more about the Joker than about Batman. A flaw that would only grow with the next film.
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Post by The OP on Feb 16, 2013 14:28:24 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone will agree with this or not, but I actually think Michael Keaton did a much better job as Bruce Wayne/Batman than Christian Bale. He was able to use a separate Batman voice without making it hard to understand him. Christian Bale is a fine actor, but his Batman voice is almost like slurring. The voice actor from Batman:TAS (who did the best job voice-wise as Wayne and Batman) pointed that out and he is so right.
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Post by dav on Feb 16, 2013 14:40:22 GMT -5
I honestly had no real difficulty with understanding Bale's Batman voice whatsoever. I only found it silly once and thought it made perfect sense that the voices would be as different as possible. Even with the disguised ones, you could tell that Keaton's and TAS chap's were from the same person.
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