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Post by GreyScaleLJH on Feb 17, 2013 0:38:09 GMT -5
Ever though its not technically true, I feel like we are in a cliffhanger right now, first time for this show. I fully believe the two parter season premier is going to put into shape everything of what to expect from Twilight's change, etc.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 17, 2013 0:47:55 GMT -5
My take on this is that he was trying to find a way to "Fortify/Unify" the Elements, placing the attempts around the time when they were fighting Discord. Right before or after that, trying to strengthen them to completely seal Discord or be ready for the next big threat. Since (in canon) only two ponies controlled all of the Elements, the spell might have scrambled Tia and Luna's marks, but there was a 50/50 chance that they would just "snap back" correctly. I've always tried to place Starswirl somewhere after Discord was brought down, but obviously before Luna went Nightmare Moon and the Elements eventually went dormant. My reasoning for that is just because Luna seems to have known Starswirl, hence her complements on how accurate Twilight's costume was back in Luna Eclipsed, and we're never given a reference of time for when Discord was stoned. But... as a friend of mine just pointed out to me, maybe the destiny swap spell did affect Celestia and Luna. Starswirl casts the spell in private to try and get an answer for how Magic fit into Harmony (as he didn't understand friendship and Friendship Is Magic, yada yada yada Title Drop), affecting both sisters without them really realizing it. It explains why Tia didn't notice anything was wrong with Luna, while Luna became more bitter and jealous over her sister's popularity. So when Tia used the Elements by herself, they were still slightly corrupted and the bond to them was heavily weakened, which is why she banished her to the moon instead of trying to purify her then. Because she couldn't. There wasn't enough power left in them to do it. The Element of Magic went missing after the battle, and the remaining Elements went dormant, becoming the large orbs that the Mane Six found during the pilot. That would explain why there are only five orbs there instead of six. It also explains why Luna turned back to normal when she was blasted with the Rainbow Road; she needed the purified Elements, bound to hearts that resonated with them, to be purged of the corruption that had been caused by the failed spell. ...the other difference is that when Twilight cast the same spell, instead of trying to fix the spell like Starswirl might have... she put her mind towards fixing her friends, because they were more important to her, and in the end got the answer Starswirl never did. But... that doesn't entirely explain why the completed spell zapped her to a cosmic plane through the power of the other Elements... ...unless it's explained in the season premiere, possibly while also explaining things about Celestia and Luna's past? I'll also postulate that Star Swirl was aware that there was something wrong with the spell when he cast it originally and tried to "fix" it. That probably cost him more than time and energy....
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 17, 2013 0:50:16 GMT -5
Always wanted to play that one, just for the novelty of it. I mean, the "pinball" is practically a billiard ball. I got to play it at a bowling alley in my hometown when I was little - could barely reach the flipper buttons, the playfield was so wide.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 0:53:17 GMT -5
I just looked myself and this is the best I could come up with:
Good Morning Ponyville I got a feeling that today will bring a wonderful thrill The sun and the sky have a smile on their face And they are shining a salute to the Equestrian race
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Oh boy, what a great thrill! Good morning Ponyville!
GOOD MORNING PONYVILLE!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 17, 2013 0:55:09 GMT -5
At this point, I feel like things won't change too much more than it already has, simply because I don't think they really can change it.
I mean, really... How can they fill 26 episodes in 2013-14 with just "Awesome Princess Twilight Sparkle and her 5 Cheerleaders"? They'd try and they'd fail. Besides, they know how popular the others in the Mane 6 are. They won't get pushed aside just for some toy sales.
Hell, without the other 5, TWILIGHT SPARKLE NEVER GETS HER WINGS.
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 17, 2013 0:58:08 GMT -5
The only really major change yet, if they don't do the others as Alicorns, is to get the CMC their marks.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 17, 2013 1:02:54 GMT -5
I just looked myself and this is the best I could come up with: Good Morning Ponyville I got a feeling that today will bring a wonderful thrill The sun and the sky have a smile on their face And they are shining a salute to the Equestrian race
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Oh boy, what a great thrill! Good morning Ponyville!
GOOD MORNING PONYVILLE! Shouldn't that be "good morning Baltimare"?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 17, 2013 1:07:01 GMT -5
It's American Dad!, not Hairspray. ;D
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Post by Ash Kingston on Feb 17, 2013 1:08:03 GMT -5
I've always tried to place Starswirl somewhere after Discord was brought down, but obviously before Luna went Nightmare Moon and the Elements eventually went dormant. My reasoning for that is just because Luna seems to have known Starswirl, hence her complements on how accurate Twilight's costume was back in Luna Eclipsed, and we're never given a reference of time for when Discord was stoned. But... as a friend of mine just pointed out to me, maybe the destiny swap spell did affect Celestia and Luna. Starswirl casts the spell in private to try and get an answer for how Magic fit into Harmony (as he didn't understand friendship and Friendship Is Magic, yada yada yada Title Drop), affecting both sisters without them really realizing it. It explains why Tia didn't notice anything was wrong with Luna, while Luna became more bitter and jealous over her sister's popularity. So when Tia used the Elements by herself, they were still slightly corrupted and the bond to them was heavily weakened, which is why she banished her to the moon instead of trying to purify her then. Because she couldn't. There wasn't enough power left in them to do it. The Element of Magic went missing after the battle, and the remaining Elements went dormant, becoming the large orbs that the Mane Six found during the pilot. That would explain why there are only five orbs there instead of six. It also explains why Luna turned back to normal when she was blasted with the Rainbow Road; she needed the purified Elements, bound to hearts that resonated with them, to be purged of the corruption that had been caused by the failed spell. ...the other difference is that when Twilight cast the same spell, instead of trying to fix the spell like Starswirl might have... she put her mind towards fixing her friends, because they were more important to her, and in the end got the answer Starswirl never did. But... that doesn't entirely explain why the completed spell zapped her to a cosmic plane through the power of the other Elements... ...unless it's explained in the season premiere, possibly while also explaining things about Celestia and Luna's past? I'll also postulate that Star Swirl was aware that there was something wrong with the spell when he cast it originally and tried to "fix" it. That probably cost him more than time and energy.... Also very likely; heck, for all we know (and my friend's theory), he was trying to get into the realm where Twi ended up after she was blasted by the Elements, because he wanted to become an alicorn, too. I mean... he was the greatest unicorn mage until Twilight came along, right? Maybe he felt like he should have been the Element of Magic due to his magical skill and power, but didn't understand just what the EoMagic really meant. ...if this was a D&D campaign, Starswirl would totally be a Lich. In the RP group I'm in right now, this was actually a point that was brought up; it's hard to picture Twilight outliving all of her friends (although Spike would definitely last longer than any of them, due to being a dragon), but... that's another lesson in friendship. Even if there's a great distance between you and your friends, they never really leave you if you keep them in your hearts. That's something that I'm sure Celestia and Luna know all too well, and they'd be there to support her when it happens. Same with Cadance, really...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 1:08:50 GMT -5
You are right, EoE! BTW, since you are here, when would you like to start the rating of Season 1?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 17, 2013 1:10:01 GMT -5
You are right, EoE! BTW, since you are here, when would you like to start the rating of Season 1? Whenever the polls are free. I think the one for the next thread is reserved for best song from the finale, but after that... no bookings. ;D
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 17, 2013 1:14:08 GMT -5
Starswirl the Bearded: Guardian of Tirisfal.
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 17, 2013 1:16:46 GMT -5
Hmm, trying to figure out one way or another.
Twilight, Rarity and Pinkie Pie have special singing voice credits for the finale.
Celestia does not.
Did Nicole Oliver do her own singing for her song?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 1:17:12 GMT -5
Good then we should drop a line for Mina-chan after that. Although I think, there is still some room for Season 3 polls that might be done. I'll ask Mina-chan.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 17, 2013 1:19:44 GMT -5
heck, for all we know (and my friend's theory), he was trying to get into the realm where Twi ended up after she was blasted by the Elements, because he wanted to become an alicorn, too. I mean... he was the greatest unicorn mage until Twilight came along, right? Maybe he felt like he should have been the Element of Magic due to his magical skill and power, but didn't understand just what the EoMagic really meant. ...if this was a D&D campaign, Starswirl would totally be a Lich. More Ideas! I take them! *scribbles notes*
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Post by CMWaters on Feb 17, 2013 1:21:00 GMT -5
Mane picking time for Greyscale.
Don't want to pick Princess Twilight for him just yet...so I'll do the next best thing. Her brother.
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Post by GreyScaleLJH on Feb 17, 2013 1:24:04 GMT -5
Shining Armor! He of the liquid pride, and just an all around cool stallion. *hops on in* Good night, everyone!
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 17, 2013 1:24:33 GMT -5
Surf and Turf are in, so we now have a pool of 98 entrants for the 2013 PONYCAR Series. I'll get a screenshot of them up (and Iron Will and Magnum) momentarily.
Now, we wait for Thursday, which is when the qualifier races will be held. Then, on Sunday, the chase for the Faust Cup begins. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2013 1:30:15 GMT -5
In the meantime I will try to find an RP date far in advance so that everypony can prepare.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Feb 17, 2013 1:35:04 GMT -5
In the meantime I will try to find an RP date far in advance so that everypony can prepare. I will try to be available, had a blast last time only 20 pages written?Slavedriver!
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