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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 17, 2013 16:15:18 GMT -5
Honestly. I feel like Cesaro doesn't really need or deserve a mania spot. He's not really over and he's completely directionless. Why waste time making a story to cram him on there?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 17, 2013 16:43:40 GMT -5
Considering they're both almost-but-not-really big enough to be on the Wrestlemania card and have nothing better to do, I can actually see Cesaro vs. Sin Cara for the US Championship going on as part of the preshow.
Or maybe a six-man tag with Kofi, R-Truth, and the Rhodes Scholars, though those two teams could just as easily be added to the tag title match to make it a fourway.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 17, 2013 21:26:56 GMT -5
Honestly. I feel like Cesaro doesn't really need or deserve a mania spot. He's not really over and he's completely directionless. Why waste time making a story to cram him on there? I wouldn't say he doesn't deserve it. He's a talented guy. The problem that I see is that he's stuck as United States Champion and he really doesn't have any viable contenders. The problem with Cesaro is that WWE pushed him TOO hard to the point where he has now arguably outgrown the U.S. Title, but they didn't bother to build anyone up to take it from him. Miz had to STEP DOWN so Cesaro could have someone to feud with for the past few months, and Miz should be no lower than IC Title level. Cesaro has no viable contenders because every face is either above the U.S. Title, or a jobber.
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Post by Paco on Mar 17, 2013 21:51:54 GMT -5
Honestly. I feel like Cesaro doesn't really need or deserve a mania spot. He's not really over and he's completely directionless. Why waste time making a story to cram him on there? He's over. Not crazy over but I wouldn't say he's reactionless. I think his in-ring stuff (where he's most impressive) is what gets him his reactions. I'd say he deserves a successful US Title defense on the pre-show at least. Sin Cara just beat him in a non-title bout. Just do a rematch.
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Post by PrinceD on Mar 17, 2013 22:05:59 GMT -5
The mid-card doesn't matter in this Wrestlemania. They are more concerned about just throwing everybody onto this card and it's just a matter of the right formula to get everyone on the card.
They are banking on 3 matches to sell this Mania. Cena/Rock, Lesnar/Triple H, Taker/Punk. The Swagger/Del Rio match and the Shield/Ryback,Orton,Sheamus match are the ONLY other matches that'll get time and a significant ammount of TV time to build their match.
I really feel that they could care less about the midcard of this Mania and it's dissapointing because i saw so much potential for it. Even if they get a decent matchup for the midcard, it's going to get very little time on the Mania card to get the match over.
The days of seeing a midcard match like Steamboat/Savage getting substantial time at Wrestlemania are over. They only care about pushing 3 or 4 main event matches these days. So even if Cesaro, Barrett, Ziggler get matches at Wrestlemania it won't matter. They won't be given time to get the match over anyway.
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Post by Kay Faban on Mar 18, 2013 0:23:30 GMT -5
Savage Steamboat was a significant match, it would have been one of the "focused" ones you listed.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 18, 2013 0:49:48 GMT -5
Savage Steamboat was a significant match, it would have been one of the "focused" ones you listed. Nah, they would have just booked a Bruno Sammartino v Pedro Morales dream match instead.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 18, 2013 1:18:45 GMT -5
Savage/Steamboat would have been a WHC match in today's WWE.
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Post by cool guy on Mar 18, 2013 1:26:36 GMT -5
Honestly. I feel like Cesaro doesn't really need or deserve a mania spot. He's not really over and he's completely directionless. Why waste time making a story to cram him on there? I wouldn't say he doesn't deserve it. He's a talented guy. The problem that I see is that he's stuck as United States Champion and he really doesn't have any viable contenders. The problem with Cesaro is that WWE pushed him TOO hard to the point where he has now arguably outgrown the U.S. Title, but they didn't bother to build anyone up to take it from him. Miz had to STEP DOWN so Cesaro could have someone to feud with for the past few months, and Miz should be no lower than IC Title level. Cesaro has no viable contenders because every face is either above the U.S. Title, or a jobber. God I am so tired of this "title levels" bullshit. Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio had some great matches over the IC title. Chris Benoit feuded with MVP for the US title a few years after he won the WHC in the main event of wrestlemania. If you're not a Cena/Punk type "absolute main-eventer" then you're not above any of these titles.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 18, 2013 1:40:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't say he doesn't deserve it. He's a talented guy. The problem that I see is that he's stuck as United States Champion and he really doesn't have any viable contenders. The problem with Cesaro is that WWE pushed him TOO hard to the point where he has now arguably outgrown the U.S. Title, but they didn't bother to build anyone up to take it from him. Miz had to STEP DOWN so Cesaro could have someone to feud with for the past few months, and Miz should be no lower than IC Title level. Cesaro has no viable contenders because every face is either above the U.S. Title, or a jobber. God I am so tired of this "title levels" bulls***. Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio had some great matches over the IC title. Chris Benoit feuded with MVP for the US title a few years after he won the WHC in the main event of wrestlemania. If you're not a Cena/Punk type "absolute main-eventer" then you're not above any of these titles. I agree with you on Jericho/Mysterio. And back when Benoit & MVP were feuding for the U.S. Title, the U.S. belt was a lot more prestigious due to the brand split. The thing is that I CAN buy the likes of Orton, Sheamus, Miz, Ryback, Del Rio, Big Show, Ziggler, Bryan, Henry, Jericho and Kane going after the IC Title, but I can't buy them going after the U.S. Title. The U.S. belt has been the new European/TV Title ever since the brand split ended and Ryder won the belt at TLC 2011. In the last year, the IC belt was held by former World Champions and is currently held by a guy who was the top heel in the company at one point. The U.S. Title, by comparison was passed around by lower midcarders. Cesaro himself was just a lower carder until WWE randomly decided to put him in matches against main event faces. Look at the matches Cesaro and Miz had. They had to come up with so many contrived finishes so that Cesaro could walk away with the belt without damaging Miz (because they still like to pretend Miz is important and need to keep him credible enough to put over the main event heels). When Miz finally beat Cesaro, the match was conveniently non-title and they haven't interacted since.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 18, 2013 1:50:45 GMT -5
Savage/Steamboat would have been a WHC match in today's WWE. And Bret/Bulldog at Summerslam '92... and the Shawn/Razor feud... in terms of its relative importance, the current WHC is almost exactly on the level of the classic IC championship.
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Post by metylerca on Mar 18, 2013 9:22:01 GMT -5
Did I miss something? Why is it Jericho.vs. Fandango? Because Meltzer said so apparently? I still don't think that's likely unless it's a 2 minute joke match, which is a waste of Jericho when Cesaro seemingly doesn't have a feud. I don't remember him saying this at all. Fandango just debuted and he hasn't even had a match yet. Do people really think they'll have him lose at WrestleMania in a joke match because they don't like him? He's had vignettes for months and is trying to get heat right now for his inevitable debut. Primetime players won't be on the main card, that's another fantasy booking choice I've seen as of late. It's always a 4-way for the titles, according to some, so a bunch of teams are thrown on the show. I'll admit they have matches like that, ones that scream out "get em all on the card!", but it looks like they're going somewhere with Team Hell No, and they always wrestle PTP every week on RAW. They even won with a blindfold on D-Bry and Kane having a hand tied behind his back. It's looking like Dolph/Langston are next in line to challenge. Storylines > Clustersmurf. Here's how I would see a card, realistically. I'll try to time it: WWE ChampionshipCena vs. Rock - 50 minutes (entrances, video packages, match, post match) Undertaker vs. CM Punk - 45 minutes HHH vs. Brock Lesnar - 35 minutes Hall of Fame Honoring - 5 minutes Shield vs. Orton/Sheamus/Show - 25 minutes Comedy Segments and interviews/AXXESS video packages/backstage/etc. - 10 minutes Mark Henry vs. Ryback - 15 minutes Team Hell No/Langston and Ziggler - 20 minutes (That is being generous) World Heavyweight ChampionshipAlberto Del Rio vs. Jack Swagger - 15 minutes Opening video package/America the Beautiful - 10 minutes Anything else would either be pre-show or not even on the card. We know it'll be like this, it's been this way for years now. I can see Miz vs. Barrett on the Youtube matches for the IC Title, I'll even bet that it'd pull in a good viewership number. I can easily see a Jericho/Barrett match on the main card, with the tag match being scrapped altogether or really shortened. But the times I'm almost sure on are that the main matches will take up more than half of the show. I'm also leaving out the Divas here, in a bit of fantasy booking. There's too many matches to waste time on Kaitlyn here.
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Post by PTBartman on Mar 18, 2013 9:44:05 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one, but I'd love to see a Piper's Pit with Bruno, Backland, Foley and Trish
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 18, 2013 9:50:17 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one, but I'd love to see a Piper's Pit with Bruno, Backland, Foley and Trish I'm in support of anything with Mr. Backlund.
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Post by mrjl on Mar 18, 2013 17:24:43 GMT -5
I'm thinking that Triple H/Lesnar will be an empty arena match at Madison Square Garden.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 18, 2013 19:41:26 GMT -5
Ryback v Henry is OFFICIAL.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 18, 2013 21:40:41 GMT -5
Kane/Bryan v Ziggler/Langston for the tag belts is OFFICIAL.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Mar 18, 2013 21:50:10 GMT -5
When was the last time the tag titles were defended on the main show?
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 18, 2013 21:55:10 GMT -5
When was the last time the tag titles were defended on the main show? Wrestlemania 26, ShowMiz vs. Starship Truthers.
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Post by Error on Mar 18, 2013 22:37:11 GMT -5
I'm thinking that Triple H/Lesnar will be an empty arena match at Madison Square Garden. Obviously this didn't happen but why in the world would WWE pay over $500k to use MSG for one match that they couldn't sell tickets to? That'd make no damned sense.
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