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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 6, 2013 18:37:19 GMT -5
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I'm going to vote Hayden when we need to. But there is still more to be heard. We have until tomorrow to keep the chatter going.
As frantic and inactive as some get, I'd be hesitant to fully swing in a new direction. But seriously, where the crap are you, Produceman (rhetorical question really, because I have an idea you're honeymooning or something)? Asher's missing in action. JoNo is watching and figuring stuff out presumably.
Yami Redgrave, since you are actually back in the game as opposed to others above mentioned, are you assuming one scum left? You talk so much bull without ever committing to ANYthing, so assuming you're not on board with the idea of PEGASUSWARRIOR being the only scum left or playing all three or four or five scums roles at once, where else does your suspicion lie? Are you just going to play the game and point out shortcomings of others or are you going to contribute with some actual detective work? You do realize the point is to win as a group and this isn't a game of survival at all, right?
Brad, Moonie, Daime, RTaker, Street Spartan, etc. need this to work out so THEY WIN TOO. They're not losing because they're dead. If they lose, it's because we as Town screwed them over by not doing our jobs. Don't worry about surviving. Worry about winning.
Yami, if you really are Town, are you just Vanilla Townie, or something more? (Don't be specific.)
Orange, are you out of trades as Jack-of-All-Trades?
Asher, if you come back, same question? Are you of any value to Town beyond just a vote?
Just scattering questions out there, because we're needing answers to a lot more than just one lynch.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 6, 2013 18:58:19 GMT -5
I get the feeling we should have had a discussion like this a few days ago - before the Ritt lynch even.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 6, 2013 19:49:11 GMT -5
I've been getting things finalized with vendors for the wedding, coordinating with all the members of the wedding party, getting wedding programs and other things finished, working 48+ hours a week the past 6 weeks, and, when I can, spending some quality time with the woman i'm marrying in 10 days.
Despite all that, i'm still trying to contribute to the game and using my vote every day phase to try and win this game for the town. THAT'S where the crap I've been, Peg.
Now, that out of the way, i like how you've subtly thrown me under the bus in the off chance Hayden flips town by saying you're going after me. Yet you've stated multiple times that you think i'm town. I'm seriously thinking you're scum that sacrificed Lodi, only voting for him after cage king exposed him to make yourself look good. You also voted Knailsic the second time because town was going to lynch him anyway and you still wanted to play the "town leader." You've followed my votes at least 2-3 times. Now, if Hayden flips town, you can throw the finger at me and out town at a greater disadvantage by getting them to lynch me next day phase.
Unvote
Vote: pegasuswarrior
I'm more convinced that you're scum than Hayden is at this point.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 6, 2013 19:56:45 GMT -5
I get the feeling we should have had a discussion like this a few days ago - before the Ritt lynch even. Which is why I didn't want to vote for ritt, and REALLY hoped people didn't vote so quickly. There's just so much going on still. We have 10 people at the moment... and it's possible (not probable, worst case scenario) that half of us are not town. I forgot the criss-cross scenario, in which you're Cult and he's Mafia or vice-versa. Would you vote for him then? I think it's clear that, if nothing else, you're playing it safe by not voting for Hayden at all which might only be safe in the short term off he really is Scum. But let's consider your suspicion: someone between Produce, Peg, Wolf, Orange, and I might know Hayden's true alignment. Of the bunch, Orange seems like the strongest candidate with his investigative role, but why would he need convincing? Wolf and Produce seem like Vanilla Townies who are just good at what they do. I need to look back, but I don't recall Peg having an investigative role. I assure you my role is not investigative either. Who do you think? I still wouldn't vote for Hayden in that scenario. In all honesty, the smart mafia or cult play for me (if I am mafia or cult) is to either not vote, or to vote for someone else. Either push back the lynch so there is no lynch, or vote off the radar and redirect the town. At least that's what I would do if I weren't town. Also, if we have someone left with an investigative role, I doubt they would come forward right now. Not with so much game left. Now, they are risking the chance that they may be night killed, but just as Street Spartan left behind his thoughts, I feel that someone else might shroud the information in their own posts. At the moment, I feel Orange, Jono, and Peg are the strongest town reads we have. Easily. Wolf or you, Boiler Room, are the only ones that I doubt out of that list. Produceman I don't doubt AS much, but it's been a long time since I saw him as a legit town member. I'm not sure where to go with Wolf or you as far as questioning is concerned, though. How about... who are your top suspects at the moment? Wolf, can you answer that as well?
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Post by Orange on Mar 6, 2013 20:34:37 GMT -5
Unvote
I believe BoilerRoomBrawler, but I don't feel confident that Hayden is town. I wasn't confident that ritt was town, either.
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Post by Orange on Mar 6, 2013 20:38:02 GMT -5
Orange, are you out of trades as Jack-of-All-Trades? Well, I wasn't the jack of all trades, but yes, I'm out of all the abilities I had. I'm simply here for the discussion.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Mar 6, 2013 20:54:18 GMT -5
My top suspects are ones with conventional and oft-repeated reasons: Hayden and, much to my recent chagrin, Asher, who I once thought was suspected a little too soon. My other top suspect is PW, who I'm humoring based on his mutual suspicion of Hayden. I don't have especially strong leads at this point. I'm voting for Hayden because it may either remove my suspicion of PW or else give us the rope to hang him with. I'm not pulling another Ritt lynch here. PW was so sure of Ritt and Hayden last Day phase that I'm testing his suspicion there too. Hayden is a means to an end if he is not an end himself.
As for why Asher does not factor into this, he wasn't on the chopping block with Ritt last time. PW wasn't pointing at him like he was at Ritt and Hayden. It doesn't remove him as a suspect, but I don't believe that he will garner info like Hayden should.
In the end, we very easily could have lynched Hayden last Day phase and had he flipped Town I believe we'd be debating lynching Ritt now instead.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 6, 2013 21:01:37 GMT -5
I unvoted for more discussion. And now two more unvotes result and another vote in my direction?
My unvote and lack of a push for a fast lynch before first hearing from Asher and Yami Redgrave must have been really really scummy.
Congrats, scum winners.
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Post by Orange on Mar 6, 2013 21:15:05 GMT -5
I unvoted for more discussion. And now two more unvotes result and another vote in my direction? My unvote and lack of a push for a fast lynch before first hearing from Asher and Yami Redgrave must have been really really scummy. Congrats, scum winners. I had been outside for some 3 hours with some friends of mine, and was hoping the lynch didn't go through so I could unvote. I was surprised to see that you and others had, but I had mine planned out. I just couldn't get to a computer to do it sooner.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Mar 6, 2013 21:26:33 GMT -5
I understand. However, I've only pursued him whenever he said things that don't match up or completely contradict something he said earlier. Take my last post regarding him that I compiled as an example, and you'll see exactly what I mean. Others have seen it and called him out on it before, but it seems like they've been slowly believing his game lately, and I feel like I'm the only one who still sees that there could be a good chance he's scum. So I'm keeping the topic "fresh", so-to-speak. Although, considering we don't know if the remaining Cultists were reverted back or not, I guess you can say I really don't trust ANYONE, except for perhaps Jono (who has been re-confirmed). But then again, I'm not sure if the Friendly Neighbor can still let others know he's Town even if he's converted to Cult. If someone can confirm that they can't (preferably Mason), then I'll believe Jono is 100% Town. Oh my god, are you kidding me?
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 6, 2013 21:27:50 GMT -5
Yami Redgrave, since you are actually back in the game as opposed to others above mentioned, are you assuming one scum left? As far as Mafia, we've only confirmed 2 throughout the game thus far, one who was originally a townie (Judas). With that kind of ability, I think that's a "mercy" role for a very small Mafia, so I wanna say they started out with 3. So I think we're dealing 2 left, one of them the Godfather, who shows up as Town if investigated, might I remind.As for Cult, considering who don't have a clue how Mason set up the Cult game, we don't know if SNS was given a limit on conversions, we don't know if the Cultist revert back to Town once the Leader is dead, and we don't know if SNS attempted to convert Mafia which led to a fail conversion. This all means that the number of Cult left is completely up in the air. Worst case scenario, 6 night phases, 6 successful conversions, 3 dead Cult (Double H, Jazzman, SNS), 3 Cult remaining. To put is more simple: Worst Case: 3 remaining Best Case: 0 remaining Ideal Case: 1 or 2 remaining So in total: 3 or 4 scum (Mafia/Cult) remaining, maybe even 5 if SNS was successful every night. You talk so much bull without ever committing to ANYthing, so assuming you're not on board with the idea of PEGASUSWARRIOR being the only scum left or playing all three or four or five scums roles at once, where else does your suspicion lie? Heh, cute. I've already stated my suspicions for Asher since Day 5, and Hayden on Day 6 (although I felt suspicious of him coming close to the end of Day 5). Produceman is completely up in the air, but I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped Cult (that's if they stayed Cult). I'll update my list from Day 5. Leaning scum: (From most comfortable to least comfortable) - Spiked Mohican (Hadyen) - Pegasus - Asher Leaning town:(From most comfortable to least comfortable) - Jono - BoilerRoomBrawler On the fence:- Orange Up in the air:- Produceman - Latino Meat/Zack Morris - Wolf Hurricane (I could have put him on the fence, or even leaning town, but because he has been playing a pretty non-threatening game for the most part, and since he was one of Spartan's "confirmed", I can't exclude the possibility of him being the Godfather. Especially after both Jazzman and SNS, who were also Spartan's confirmed, flipped scum. But, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, even though in the a game like this, I shouldn't be) Are you just going to play the game and point out shortcomings of others or are you going to contribute with some actual detective work? I'm sorry? Come again?Can you repeat that?No seriously, I don't understand what you said.It's not an extensive library, and I know I wasn't really "in" the game for the first 3 Day Phases (because I couldn't get a solid read on anyone, aside from probably SNS), but I've done what I could and still am. Excuse me if not all of us are World Heavyweight Scum-Hunting Champions like yourself. Just because I'm seemingly the only one who's calling you out on some of your bull, doesn't mean you have to lie and make it sound like I've contributed absolutely nothing the entire game. Continue digging your own hole. You do realize the point is to win as a group and this isn't a game of survival at all, right? Of course. It's why I've stated since Day 1 that I do not like to sacrifice townies for answers, unlike yourself, unless I'm at least half suspicious of them. The more townies alive, the better our chances on winning, but there's obviously going to be a misfire or two. Yami, if you really are Town, are you just Vanilla Townie, or something more? (Don't be specific.) Not Vanilla, and I'm going to leave it at that.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 6, 2013 21:28:51 GMT -5
I unvoted for more discussion. And now two more unvotes result and another vote in my direction? My unvote and lack of a push for a fast lynch before first hearing from Asher and Yami Redgrave must have been really really scummy. Congrats, scum winners. I had been outside for some 3 hours with some friends of mine, and was hoping the lynch didn't go through so I could unvote. I was surprised to see that you and others had, but I had mine planned out. I just couldn't get to a computer to do it sooner. Gotcha. No worries. If we don't get word from Redgrave and Asher and it's still just a choice between Spiked Mohican and me, then I'll recast my vote for Spiked Mohican. If you all feel that's really where we're at in the game, then I'll stake everything for Mohican flipping scum. For the Town that see the light of day, I depend on you guys to convince the rest of the gang which of the two (me or Spiked Mohican) will be the right way to go. We do not need a No Lynch though.
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 6, 2013 21:29:58 GMT -5
Voting: Spiked Mohican (2): BoilerRoomBrawler, Wolf Hurricane pegasuswarrior (2): The Shareholder They Call Asher, Produceman
Not Voting: Zack Morris is Insane Yami Redgrave Jono Michaels Spiked Mohican Pegasuswarrior Orange
Day Phase 7 has begun. The deadline for the phase is Friday at 5:00 p.m. CENTRAL TIME. 6 votes are needed for a lynch.
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Post by MasonK565 on Mar 6, 2013 21:32:00 GMT -5
I understand. However, I've only pursued him whenever he said things that don't match up or completely contradict something he said earlier. Take my last post regarding him that I compiled as an example, and you'll see exactly what I mean. Others have seen it and called him out on it before, but it seems like they've been slowly believing his game lately, and I feel like I'm the only one who still sees that there could be a good chance he's scum. So I'm keeping the topic "fresh", so-to-speak. Although, considering we don't know if the remaining Cultists were reverted back or not, I guess you can say I really don't trust ANYONE, except for perhaps Jono (who has been re-confirmed). But then again, I'm not sure if the Friendly Neighbor can still let others know he's Town even if he's converted to Cult. If someone can confirm that they can't (preferably Mason), then I'll believe Jono is 100% Town. Oh my god, are you kidding me? Mod's Note: I am not the position to say so.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Mar 6, 2013 21:34:44 GMT -5
Sorry for double post. Just saw Yami Redgrave's post. And thank you times infinity for the post, Yami Redgrave. That helps out in more ways than you know. Immense help to me in trying to feel out the game here when it's most important.
I don't have to wait until tomorrow now.
Vote: Spiked Mohican (Hayden)
Also, I'm leaning more Town on Yami Redgrave than I once was.
(Also, Yami, I didn't bring it up before, but sorry about the ER trip. Doesn't mean anything to ya, I'm sure, since I've been playing this crazy a-hole persona in the game, but yeah, that's a real deal rough situation and I won't lie that I winced when I read it.)
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 6, 2013 21:38:15 GMT -5
I understand. However, I've only pursued him whenever he said things that don't match up or completely contradict something he said earlier. Take my last post regarding him that I compiled as an example, and you'll see exactly what I mean. Others have seen it and called him out on it before, but it seems like they've been slowly believing his game lately, and I feel like I'm the only one who still sees that there could be a good chance he's scum. So I'm keeping the topic "fresh", so-to-speak. Although, considering we don't know if the remaining Cultists were reverted back or not, I guess you can say I really don't trust ANYONE, except for perhaps Jono (who has been re-confirmed). But then again, I'm not sure if the Friendly Neighbor can still let others know he's Town even if he's converted to Cult. If someone can confirm that they can't (preferably Mason), then I'll believe Jono is 100% Town. Oh my god, are you kidding me? Dude, it's not like I'm saying I'm suspicious of you. In fact, I have you as leaning town. BUT, I've never played a game with a Cult involved before, and so I'm not sure how that effects your Friendly Neighbor role if you were converted. And seeing as how Mason isn't in a position to confirm, I guess I never will. Again, I see you as town, but not 100%. You have to understand why.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Mar 6, 2013 21:57:18 GMT -5
I've got nothing but my vote, peg. I've said that since day one. What does that tell you aside from the obvious?
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 6, 2013 23:29:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure where to go with Wolf or you as far as questioning is concerned, though. How about... who are your top suspects at the moment? Wolf, can you answer that as well? - Hayden's scum for sure. I'll have to question my whole life if he turns up town. - Asher, I'm uneasy about, but I can't say definitively either way. - I'm really on the fence in regards to Orange; I can't help but shake this feeling that he's cult. - You, I'm leaning town, although I can't help but be curious as to why Peg's got you, well, pegged as "100% mafia." - I have no reason to believe Jono or BRB are anything less than town committed. Yami and Peg are special circumstance. I want to believe Peg's on our side, and for the most part, I do. However, his accuracy, so to speak, has been dwindling. If he turns to be right about this, then I'm firmly on his side from here on out. However, on the very off chance that he's wrong about Hayden, you or both, I'll have to give him a serious second look. Yami's in a similar situation, except on the opposite side; because he's been going after Peg the way he has and I happen to consider Peg to be town, Yami being scum is the logical conclusion. However, again, if Peg proves to be wrong about you and/or Hayden, I'll have to seriously reexamine Yami to see if he really is town and if he was peeping something I wasn't. Speaking of Yami, the point he made about how being cult affects night roles (namely regarding Jono) stuck out to me, namely because the same thing occurred to me as something of an interesting scenario. Suppose Jono was turned cult (not saying I believe he was, but still); would his "friendly neighbor" role modify accordingly to become "unfriendly neighbor," where his new message would read "just wanted to let you know I'm a cult follower now" or is there a possibility that his message would still read town?
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 6, 2013 23:32:37 GMT -5
Forgot about Produceman. I'd put him in the "leaning town" category along with you, Zack. I'm fairly certain he's town, but not definitively.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 7, 2013 1:39:52 GMT -5
Wolf, pegasus received Jono's last message, maybe he can let us in on Jono implicated himself as cult?
I figure if he did, peg would have voted for him as soon as he saw it, however.
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