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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 20:37:44 GMT -5
Mark will beat Jay We will get growing up brisco promos. Mark"Are mother has pictures of us holding hands in the womb" Jay"I'm a year older than you?" |
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Post by chazraps on Sept 8, 2014 0:26:53 GMT -5
If Mark aligns with Truth Martini and begins a heel run and dethrones Jay for the belt, I'm throwing a pizza party and you're all invited.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 8, 2014 0:32:59 GMT -5
If Mark aligns with Truth Martini and begins a heel run and dethrones Jay for the belt, I'm throwing a pizza party and you're all invited. Holy shit! I've always wanted for that to happen, I think they were teasing that before Jay got hurt, like didn't Truth offered Mark a girl or something? I'm thinking Scarlett Bordeaux. |
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 8, 2014 1:33:41 GMT -5
They're building Tommaso Ciampa up for a big heel run, I believe.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 8, 2014 3:20:29 GMT -5
Makes sense to me. I would love to see hero in njpw id love to see Hero in anything other than a speedo now that hes fat again Will this work?  |
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 8, 2014 6:59:33 GMT -5
Per Dave Meltzer on The LAW, ROH didn't take the title off Elgin because of the visa issue, it was purely down to (a) his attitude, (b) not "protecting the title" by losing to people like Trevor Lee in other indies, and (c) the baseball comments/not promoting the show on social media. The visa issue actually came up after Saturday's show, which made ROH's decision to take the title off him a wise one, otherwise they'd have been stuck without their champion for three months.
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Post by Mondai Rogue on Sept 8, 2014 7:14:47 GMT -5
Did Elgin ever follow through on his plans to charge people to have him on podcasts?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 8, 2014 7:25:17 GMT -5
Per Dave Meltzer on The LAW, ROH didn't take the title off Elgin because of the visa issue, it was purely down to (a) his attitude, (b) not "protecting the title" by losing to people like Trevor Lee in other indies, and (c) the baseball comments/not promoting the show on social media. The visa issue actually came up after Saturday's show, which made ROH's decision to take the title off him a wise one, otherwise they'd have been stuck without their champion for three months. I don't have a problem with taking the title off him because of the baseball comments and overall not being a draw, I find him generic, and the fact that new japan would book everyone (including maria) instead of the roh world champion said something. The problem I have is not letting him do jobs on the indys, yeah it's fake guys, Trevor Lee didn't won the title from him, your fans are not gonna think less of Elgin, and if he insists that he can't job, and Super Dragon stops booking him, are you gonna pay him that? |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 8, 2014 7:31:44 GMT -5
Per Dave Meltzer on The LAW, ROH didn't take the title off Elgin because of the visa issue, it was purely down to (a) his attitude, (b) not "protecting the title" by losing to people like Trevor Lee in other indies, and (c) the baseball comments/not promoting the show on social media. The visa issue actually came up after Saturday's show, which made ROH's decision to take the title off him a wise one, otherwise they'd have been stuck without their champion for three months. I don't have a problem with taking the title off him because of the baseball comments and overall not being a draw, I find him generic, and the fact that new japan would book everyone (including maria) instead of the roh world champion said something. The problem I have is not letting him do jobs on the indys, yeah it's fake guys, Trevor Lee didn't won the title from him, your fans are not gonna think less of Elgin, and if he insists that he can't job, and Super Dragon stops booking him, are you gonna pay him that? Should a World Champion really be jobbing though? |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 8, 2014 7:37:26 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with taking the title off him because of the baseball comments and overall not being a draw, I find him generic, and the fact that new japan would book everyone (including maria) instead of the roh world champion said something. The problem I have is not letting him do jobs on the indys, yeah it's fake guys, Trevor Lee didn't won the title from him, your fans are not gonna think less of Elgin, and if he insists that he can't job, and Super Dragon stops booking him, are you gonna pay him that? Should a World Champion really be jobbing though? I get your point he shouldn't but only if the guy is advertised as a world champion. Gargano jobbed a shit ton for pwg while being champion for dgusa. Biff Busick is the czw champion and he lost too. BOLA is a huge deal, I don't think Elgin could afford to miss it by not jobbing. |
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Post by Starshine on Sept 8, 2014 7:54:33 GMT -5
Should a World Champion really be jobbing though? I get your point he shouldn't but only if the guy is advertised as a world champion. Gargano jobbed a shit ton for pwg while being champion for dgusa. Biff Busick is the czw champion and he lost too. BOLA is a huge deal, I don't think Elgin could afford to miss it by not jobbing. I think it's more of a case of the sum of all parts than any one thing. Had it just been the Trevor Lee loss they probably wouldn't have made the move to take the belt off him. But it really seems like there were a lot of problems with him representing the company that rubbed a lot of important people there the wrong way. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 8, 2014 9:15:17 GMT -5
I get your point he shouldn't but only if the guy is advertised as a world champion. Gargano jobbed a shit ton for pwg while being champion for dgusa. Biff Busick is the czw champion and he lost too. BOLA is a huge deal, I don't think Elgin could afford to miss it by not jobbing. I think it's more of a case of the sum of all parts than any one thing. Had it just been the Trevor Lee loss they probably wouldn't have made the move to take the belt off him. But it really seems like there were a lot of problems with him representing the company that rubbed a lot of important people there the wrong way. You're right man, it was the perfect shitstorm, Elgin always gave me the wrong vibe, like he's genuinely a douche, he also has the worst twitter feed in wrestling, maybe even worse than Gunner's. His trailer of the Kevin Steen show, was creepy as f*** too. |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Sept 8, 2014 9:23:28 GMT -5
Should a World Champion really be jobbing though? I get your point he shouldn't but only if the guy is advertised as a world champion. Gargano jobbed a shit ton for pwg while being champion for dgusa. Biff Busick is the czw champion and he lost too. BOLA is a huge deal, I don't think Elgin could afford to miss it by not jobbing. except Gargano didn't job a "shit ton" in PWG while DGUSA Champ, and the big difference between his jobbing and Elgin's jobbing is who they lost to. when Gargano lost, it was well established wrestlers (The Young Bucks, The DojoBros, Adam Cole, etc.) and his loss at BOLA 2013 was in the semifinals, making it his second match of the night. Elgin on the other hand lost in his first match of the night (and lets be honest, if it was Elgin's second match of the night it wouldn't be as big a deal) to Trevor Lee, a guy whose five-show run in PWG is without a doubt the highest profile thing he's done in professional wrestling (translation: he is pretty much unknown outside of North Carolina and Reseda, CA). its like one WWE Champion losing non-title matches to guys like Orton, Triple H and Batista, and another losing a non-title match to someone like Adam Rose. |
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Post by DjZonk on Sept 8, 2014 9:26:34 GMT -5
Did Elgin ever follow through on his plans to charge people to have him on podcasts? Wait! What's this about? |
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Post by chazraps on Sept 8, 2014 9:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 8, 2014 9:35:13 GMT -5
I get your point he shouldn't but only if the guy is advertised as a world champion. Gargano jobbed a shit ton for pwg while being champion for dgusa. Biff Busick is the czw champion and he lost too. BOLA is a huge deal, I don't think Elgin could afford to miss it by not jobbing. except Gargano didn't job a "shit ton" in PWG while DGUSA Champ, and the big difference between his jobbing and Elgin's jobbing is who they lost to. when Gargano lost, it was well established wrestlers (The Young Bucks, The DojoBros, Adam Cole, etc.) and his loss at BOLA 2013 was in the semifinals, making it his second match of the night. Elgin on the other hand lost in his first match of the night (and lets be honest, if it was Elgin's second match of the night it wouldn't be as big a deal) to Trevor Lee, a guy whose five-show run in PWG is without a doubt the highest profile thing he's done in professional wrestling (translation: he is pretty much unknown outside of North Carolina and Reseda, CA). its like one WWE Champion losing non-title matches to guys like Orton, Triple H and Batista, and another losing a non-title match to someone like Adam Rose. Oh Ok, I get where you're coming from, if it would've been Adam Cole or another established indy star, they wouldn't care, but an "unknown" guy, still Delirious or someone should've called Super Dragon and tell him not to job his champion (yeah no way he would've done that, I just want to picture Delirious and Super Dragon yelling over the phone like old school promoters fighting over a business decision, both of them wearing suits.) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 10:05:08 GMT -5
Anyone else think that's an antiquated way of thinking for pro wrestling organizations? I understand ROH's concern but at the same time as fans does anyone really hold the continuity of one fed to another? If Elgin is champ of ROH and loses frequently in PWG I don't hold one to the other any more than I would if Harrison Ford is a fugitive in one movie and a president in the other.
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 8, 2014 11:26:21 GMT -5
Notice the New Japan influence on how PWG booked AJ Styles? They didn't book him to win the tournament, yet NJPW didn't want the IWGP Champion to lose clean in an indy tournament. Hence, a rare DQ in PWG.
As for the Elgin/podcast thing, it came after some running online battles with fans, some of whom have podcasts. His idea was largely criticised.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 8, 2014 12:17:46 GMT -5
Anyone else think that's an antiquated way of thinking for pro wrestling organizations? I understand ROH's concern but at the same time as fans does anyone really hold the continuity of one fed to another? If Elgin is champ of ROH and loses frequently in PWG I don't hold one to the other any more than I would if Harrison Ford is a fugitive in one movie and a president in the other. I know Kingston claimed that Quack didn't want him jobbing when he was Grand Champion which caused issues with CZW (as he and Homicide were supposed to do a program with Joker and Sabian... this caused a lot of heat between Kingston and the other 2). And if Elgin had a contract where ROH has first right to refusal, they could have pulled him off the show right then and there. At the same time, there are multiple rumblings about wrestlers having issues with ROH's current management. |
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Sept 8, 2014 12:43:16 GMT -5
In kayfabe, ROH should act like they have no idea PWG, or any other organization, exists. They, however, are in meta-kayfabe, which dictates that everyone else is beneath them, so how dare ROH guys look weak everywhere else.
Not to excuse Elgin's behavior, but what champion hasn't been somewhat of a butthole? Should Elgin know better? Yes. Scorching the earth after meticulously plotting his road to the belt is just as childish.
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