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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on May 19, 2013 22:19:53 GMT -5
No more Brock vs HHH
Hasn't HHH's ego been stroked enough.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 19, 2013 22:21:18 GMT -5
No, Foley! WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER BROCK VS HHH MATCH NO! NO! Not his fault. The poor guy's taken so many shots to the head over his life, his brains are scrambled up and he can't think clearly sometimes.
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Post by mrjl on May 19, 2013 22:26:11 GMT -5
There is the matter of Paul E. saying some terrible things about him and his wife, and Brock attacking his father-in-law, plus wrecking up shit at the WWE Headquarters. Is the whole "heels are the victim" thing ever going to end? Triple H has done worse things his entire career. He might be the face here but he's a face who openly celebrates that he'll do whatever it takes for him to win. He can't have it both ways and that's one of the issues that arise when heels and faces blend together. Triple H should be a heel, he excels at it. The whole we should feel sorry for him because Brock does stuff to him flies in the face of Triple H's own actions. Brock hurts Vince? Triple H has done that several times over. Destroys stuff? Triple H and Shawn Michaels spray painted Titan Towers. Brock's a coward? Triple H played mind games and ran from opponents for years. Which is great because it works for him... if he's a heel. Now that he's the face, why should I feel sorry for him? He's a bastard. Storyline wise, they've never expurgated his bad deeds. He still drugged Stephanie. He still befriended a mentally handicapped man just to beat him up. He still tried to cripple his best friend with a sledgehammer and busted up his mentor. So, that said, why is he a face? He's a face because he's been around long enough that he's transcended that stuff to become one of the old guard, just like Ric Flair couldn't be a heel after a while or why Lawler's a face. In the end, though, I don't think it adds up. When he flat out said that he was holding back against the Undertaker for the good of business, I think he lost the ability to truly be a face again. I can't cheer for him as a face if I'm constantly reminded that, deep down, he's scum because he'll do whatever it takes to win. yes, he can have it both ways. It's called a turn. It is a traditional part of wrestling storytelling and simply the act of turning gets rid of past deeds
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Post by kidglov3s on May 19, 2013 22:29:34 GMT -5
No more Brock vs HHH Hasn't HHH's ego been stroked enough. If he was going to spend untold millions to bring in Brock Lesnar so he could beat him at Wrestlemania and have him flop around like a helpless fish here, you think he could've probably brought in like 4 or five UFC guys for a fraction of that money each and go full Double M A on them. HHH/Belfort, HHH/Fedor, etc and really built up a legacy as a great in fake wrestling matches against MMA legends.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 22:32:52 GMT -5
Triple H has done worse things his entire career. He might be the face here but he's a face who openly celebrates that he'll do whatever it takes for him to win. He can't have it both ways and that's one of the issues that arise when heels and faces blend together. Triple H should be a heel, he excels at it. The whole we should feel sorry for him because Brock does stuff to him flies in the face of Triple H's own actions. Brock hurts Vince? Triple H has done that several times over. Destroys stuff? Triple H and Shawn Michaels spray painted Titan Towers. Brock's a coward? Triple H played mind games and ran from opponents for years. Which is great because it works for him... if he's a heel. Now that he's the face, why should I feel sorry for him? He's a bastard. Storyline wise, they've never expurgated his bad deeds. He still drugged Stephanie. He still befriended a mentally handicapped man just to beat him up. He still tried to cripple his best friend with a sledgehammer and busted up his mentor. So, that said, why is he a face? He's a face because he's been around long enough that he's transcended that stuff to become one of the old guard, just like Ric Flair couldn't be a heel after a while or why Lawler's a face. In the end, though, I don't think it adds up. When he flat out said that he was holding back against the Undertaker for the good of business, I think he lost the ability to truly be a face again. I can't cheer for him as a face if I'm constantly reminded that, deep down, he's scum because he'll do whatever it takes to win. yes, he can have it both ways. It's called a turn. It is a traditional part of wrestling storytelling and simply the act of turning gets rid of past deeds His character mostly celebrates that he was a homicidal asshole and, when he has to be, he can still be one. When he's supposed to be the guy in charge, it just doesn't add up for me.
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Post by Starshine on May 19, 2013 22:34:52 GMT -5
No more Brock vs HHH Hasn't HHH's ego been stroked enough. But if they don't give us Trips/Lesnar 4, how will Triple H get his Payback?
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on May 19, 2013 22:35:49 GMT -5
No more Brock vs HHH Hasn't HHH's ego been stroked enough. If he was going to spend untold millions to bring in Brock Lesnar so he could beat him at Wrestlemania and have him flop around like a helpless fish here, you think he could've probably brought in like 4 or five UFC guys for a fraction of that money each and go full Double M A on them. HHH/Belfort, HHH/Fedor, etc and really built up a legacy as a great in fake wrestling matches against MMA legends. Well I wouldn't be surprised if he brought in Bones,Anderson Siva and Cain Velasquez, put them all in a handicap match with him and pin them all at the same time.
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Post by kidglov3s on May 19, 2013 22:36:29 GMT -5
No more Brock vs HHH Hasn't HHH's ego been stroked enough. But if they don't give us Trips/Lesnar 4, how will Triple H get his Payback? Don't say that!
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Post by SOR on May 19, 2013 23:10:34 GMT -5
I like how Triple H does the job and people STILL bitch.
The Shield members all have gold now though, surely that makes the IWC happy, no?
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 19, 2013 23:17:18 GMT -5
There is no IWC... well there is no IWC Hive mind... there are just people on the internet that like wrestling... and they all have their own varying opinions and do not agree on everything. So no it won't make them happy as there are people on the internet that don't like the Sheild.
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Post by The Portable Stove on May 19, 2013 23:28:41 GMT -5
I like how Triple H does the job and people STILL bitch. The Shield members all have gold now though, surely that makes the IWC happy, no? First, let's re-evaluate what the word "job" means.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 20, 2013 0:42:14 GMT -5
First, let's re-evaluate what the word "job" means. This is something we REALLY need to do, because I've seen it range from "Losing a match really quickly with little or no offence" to "Losing a match PERIOD, no matter how competitive".
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on May 20, 2013 0:42:58 GMT -5
Job means to lose.
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Post by celticjobber on May 20, 2013 2:53:13 GMT -5
First, let's re-evaluate what the word "job" means. This is something we REALLY need to do, because I've seen it range from "Losing a match really quickly with little or no offence" to "Losing a match PERIOD, no matter how competitive". Job simply means to lose a match.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 20, 2013 2:59:00 GMT -5
OK... it's just to me, "job" usually implies a lack of competitiveness in said loss (probably because of the term "jobber" being used to describe someone who almost always loses). I mean, I wouldn't describe, say Steve Austin losing to Bret Hart at WrestleMania XIII as a job, although that is by definition what it is apparently.
Does that make sense?
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Post by mrjl on May 20, 2013 5:22:32 GMT -5
I like how Triple H does the job and people STILL bitch. The Shield members all have gold now though, surely that makes the IWC happy, no? First, let's re-evaluate what the word "job" means. jon means losing. That's ALL it means
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Post by Starshine on May 20, 2013 5:40:22 GMT -5
First, let's re-evaluate what the word "job" means. jon means losing. That's ALL it means
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Post by bootytea on May 20, 2013 15:36:13 GMT -5
That event was so damn boring.
I only really wanted to see John Cena and Ryback, but the match was atrocious.
They tried to end an I Quit match with a sweaty towel for goodness sake.
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Post by bootytea on May 20, 2013 15:47:38 GMT -5
Really boring show so far. Had to turn it off and find something else to do. I usually organize my porn or do homework related stuff. I organized my money and let my girlfriend do the porn work.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2013 18:04:33 GMT -5
Really enjoyed the event up until the final hour.
Ryback/Cena was fun but a hardcore stipulation match based around one or both men being unable to stand up...is thrown out as both men are too injured to continue...THEN COUNT THEM BOTH OUT YOU MORON REF! /kayfabe
Triple H/Brock was just awful, worse than their WM match.
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