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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 20, 2013 21:01:57 GMT -5
You mean the midcard storyline that main evented TLC? A match in which AJ heavily impacted the outcome of? Kind of like how she heavily impacted the outcome of the WWE title match at Summerslam, Money in the Bank and No Way Out? It's cute how you guys try to downplay what we all lived through. Sitting here in 2013, veterans and survivors of the AJ epidemic. If you guys are going to call an angle with John Cena in 2012 a midcard storyline I'm going to have to call that intellectual dishonesty. NWO and TLC sure, but AJ had nothing to do with the Summerslam outcome, and she called the MITB match pretty much down the line. And your irritations of everything AJ related are as entertaining as always. Whether you liked that stuff or not it's ridiculous to go and say it didn't happen. Whether you like AJ or not, it's absurd to say that she hasn't had at least among the top five most prominent on-screen female presences in WWE history. Sure you can explain this or that, but she was still there opening and closing all those Raws, appearing in all those title matches. That's not Melina territory, that's Sable territory but moreso.
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Post by Dat Dude on Apr 20, 2013 21:31:18 GMT -5
Eve was the catalyst for the Big Show heel turn, not AJ. And AJ was a plot device for Punk vs Bryan, not the centerpiece. They weren't fighting over her, they were fighting for the WWE title. AJ was only brought in so they could continue the feud longer than a month without people getting bored by the same match over and over. And her roles in male storylines aren't as rare as you seem to put it. Eve, Kelly Kelly, and Vickie have all been involved in important male storylines in the WWE recently. If you're only looking at a small chunk of someones career then sure, one could argue her placement, but over an entire career, she's done very little. In a few years time, I could even see her make top 5, but right now, I think it's a bit premature. I can give you the Big Show thing. It wasn't the direct cause of the turn, for sure. Although, I think him accidentally decking her was what put him on the road there. Eve's interactions with main eventers were a lot more limited than that. The Ryder/Kane/Cena stuff was quite brief, and after that, she was put into a "backstage authority figure" role, which is strongly on the side of periphery. Not that she didn't get a lot of time randomly getting pushed as a wrestler, hence why I 100 percent agree with her on the list, but her time in a main event angle is very unlike AJ's. Kelly Kelly is a hard one to really analyze since they bounced back and forth between pushing her as a character of interest and making her a bottom-tier jobber. As for Vickie, she doesn't really count here, since she's not a wrestler. So how would you rank it Art Ruth? Also, do you recall the role Melina had on Smackdown years back and do you agree/disagree with her placement on my list? I know she was basically booked as McCool's doormat for the second half of her tenure, but was the push she was given in the first half of her stint is enough to be mentioned?
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Post by celticjobber on Apr 20, 2013 21:38:20 GMT -5
Torrie Wilson was a pretty big part of Smackdown for about a year or two, so she deserves to be on the list. And I really don't remember Melina getting much of a big push. 1. Chyna 2. Trish 3. Lita 4. Sable 5. Torrie Wilson 6. AJ Lee 7. Michelle McCool 8. Mickie James 9. Dawn Marie10. Candice Michelle While I agree with everyone else on your list, I don't think Dawn Marie was overpushed, you would explain me why/how? Mostly from the storyline with her Torrie, and Al Wilson. She was a mainstay on Smackdown for what seemed like several months.
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Post by BigWill on Apr 20, 2013 21:40:31 GMT -5
Eve was the catalyst for the Big Show heel turn, not AJ. And AJ was a plot device for Punk vs Bryan, not the centerpiece. They weren't fighting over her, they were fighting for the WWE title. AJ was only brought in so they could continue the feud longer than a month without people getting bored by the same match over and over. And her roles in male storylines aren't as rare as you seem to put it. Eve, Kelly Kelly, and Vickie have all been involved in important male storylines in the WWE recently. If you're only looking at a small chunk of someones career then sure, one could argue her placement, but over an entire career, she's done very little. In a few years time, I could even see her make top 5, but right now, I think it's a bit premature. I can give you the Big Show thing. It wasn't the direct cause of the turn, for sure. Although, I think him accidentally decking her was what put him on the road there. But the Punk/Bryan feud? Since when is WWE afraid of repetition? They don't care about that. This recent WM and their propensity for redoing matches would subvert your point. They brought AJ into it, and they made it about her. She was getting a crap ton of promo time, she pushed them through a table, hijacked Bryan's chant and they spent an inordinant amount of time focused on who (between them or Kane) she was interested in. The WWE title was secondary to AJ in that feud, and that's why so many people last year (myself included) were so disappointed by what was going on. Bryan and Punk had been wrestling each other a few times before their feud, with only a few weeks to separate them. And they were in 3 PPV title matches in a row. That's why they needed AJ and Kane added. The Mania feuds you're talking about, while repeats, had many months between matches, and they still had stipulations added to them to break up the repetitions. And I don't see how the WWE title was secondary. No one was fighting over her. AJ pretty much just inserted herself into the angle and the others were trying their best to ignore her. Punk only treated her nice so she wouldn't go crazy on him. Bryan only treated her nice because he thought he could use her to win the title. And Kane was just creeped out by the whole thing. The WWE title was still the main focus for all of them.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Apr 21, 2013 2:00:24 GMT -5
My list would be 1. AJ (what other woman has had the WWE product centered around her, above the male talent, for any period of time, even if it's just 3 months or so) 2. Sable (if anyone came close to the way they used AJ in Summer 2012 it would be Sable from about Feb. 1998 to her departure in 1999) 3. Chyna 4. Sunny 5. Elizabeth 6. Sherri 7. Richter 8. Trish 9. Lita 10. Candice Michelle (as an individual wrestler I'd say she was more pushed than Lita, especially relative to overness, but Lita had the prominence in major angles that Candice did not.) Runner Up: Michelle McCool (sure she was prominent within the women's division but was not as central to the product as Richter nor involved in major angles with men like the other women above. I don't think she was shilled as strongly as Candice was.) Runner Up: Tori Wilson AJ, miss "demoted to valet," who has yet to hold a title, is number one on your list. Meanwhile, WWE's golden girl trish is... eight? What are YOU playing at? Better yet, where, 'cause I want tickets. Always wanted to see a good comedy show live. Me personally, I'd go with BigWill's list, albeit with Chyna above Trish as with two of the other lists.
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 21, 2013 8:57:25 GMT -5
My list would be 1. AJ (what other woman has had the WWE product centered around her, above the male talent, for any period of time, even if it's just 3 months or so) 2. Sable (if anyone came close to the way they used AJ in Summer 2012 it would be Sable from about Feb. 1998 to her departure in 1999) 3. Chyna 4. Sunny 5. Elizabeth 6. Sherri 7. Richter 8. Trish 9. Lita 10. Candice Michelle (as an individual wrestler I'd say she was more pushed than Lita, especially relative to overness, but Lita had the prominence in major angles that Candice did not.) Runner Up: Michelle McCool (sure she was prominent within the women's division but was not as central to the product as Richter nor involved in major angles with men like the other women above. I don't think she was shilled as strongly as Candice was.) Runner Up: Tori Wilson AJ, miss "demoted to valet," who has yet to hold a title, is number one on your list. Meanwhile, WWE's golden girl trish is... eight? What are YOU playing at? Better yet, where, 'cause I want tickets. Always wanted to see a good comedy show live. Me personally, I'd go with BigWill's list, albeit with Chyna above Trish as with two of the other lists. How many PPV world title matches did Trish become involved in? How many Raws did Trish open and close? Trish spent the vast majority of her time toiling in the inconsequential women's division. To me there's being pushed in the women's division, which WWE has never given all that much of a f*** about and has been an afterthought at best in terms of its place in the product, and there's being pushed in WWE, which I feel AJ was to unique lengths.
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Post by neilc on Apr 21, 2013 8:59:43 GMT -5
Did AJ steal kidglov3s' parking spot or something? Seems like they have some real hatred there. To me, Michelle McCool was always the most overpushed Diva, that they were really trying to get her over, no matter her dullness as a face. When she was in LayCool, it was a little better, but still she was always booked as a dominant Diva.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 9:15:06 GMT -5
I can give you the Big Show thing. It wasn't the direct cause of the turn, for sure. Although, I think him accidentally decking her was what put him on the road there. But the Punk/Bryan feud? Since when is WWE afraid of repetition? They don't care about that. This recent WM and their propensity for redoing matches would subvert your point. They brought AJ into it, and they made it about her. She was getting a crap ton of promo time, she pushed them through a table, hijacked Bryan's chant and they spent an inordinant amount of time focused on who (between them or Kane) she was interested in. The WWE title was secondary to AJ in that feud, and that's why so many people last year (myself included) were so disappointed by what was going on. Bryan and Punk had been wrestling each other a few times before their feud, with only a few weeks to separate them. And they were in 3 PPV title matches in a row. That's why they needed AJ and Kane added. The Mania feuds you're talking about, while repeats, had many months between matches, and they still had stipulations added to them to break up the repetitions. And I don't see how the WWE title was secondary. No one was fighting over her. AJ pretty much just inserted herself into the angle and the others were trying their best to ignore her. Punk only treated her nice so she wouldn't go crazy on him. Bryan only treated her nice because he thought he could use her to win the title. And Kane was just creeped out by the whole thing. The WWE title was still the main focus for all of them. Trying their best to ignore her. The girl who got promo segment after promo segment, got more TV time per episode than anyone else and made more appearances per episode than anyone else. Punk's character is an ass who dislikes people for being different than him, why would he care about what AJ thinks of him, especially after she puts him through a table? And that episode closed with her standing over them and commandeering Bryan's chant. When was the last time any diva got something like that? Ignore her? You can't! She was everywhere!
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 21, 2013 9:19:48 GMT -5
Bryan and Punk had been wrestling each other a few times before their feud, with only a few weeks to separate them. And they were in 3 PPV title matches in a row. That's why they needed AJ and Kane added. The Mania feuds you're talking about, while repeats, had many months between matches, and they still had stipulations added to them to break up the repetitions. And I don't see how the WWE title was secondary. No one was fighting over her. AJ pretty much just inserted herself into the angle and the others were trying their best to ignore her. Punk only treated her nice so she wouldn't go crazy on him. Bryan only treated her nice because he thought he could use her to win the title. And Kane was just creeped out by the whole thing. The WWE title was still the main focus for all of them. Trying their best to ignore her. The girl who got promo segment after promo segment, got more TV time per episode than anyone else and made more appearances per episode than anyone else. Punk's character is an ass who dislikes people for being different than him, why would he care about what AJ thinks of him, especially after she puts him through a table? And that episode closed with her standing over them and commandeering Bryan's chant. When was the last time any diva got something like that? Ignore her? You can't! She was everywhere! I'm so happy you're here on this thread. You remember!
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 21, 2013 9:25:09 GMT -5
Bryan and Punk had been wrestling each other a few times before their feud, with only a few weeks to separate them. And they were in 3 PPV title matches in a row. That's why they needed AJ and Kane added. The Mania feuds you're talking about, while repeats, had many months between matches, and they still had stipulations added to them to break up the repetitions. And I don't see how the WWE title was secondary. No one was fighting over her. AJ pretty much just inserted herself into the angle and the others were trying their best to ignore her. Punk only treated her nice so she wouldn't go crazy on him. Bryan only treated her nice because he thought he could use her to win the title. And Kane was just creeped out by the whole thing. The WWE title was still the main focus for all of them. Trying their best to ignore her. The girl who got promo segment after promo segment, got more TV time per episode than anyone else and made more appearances per episode than anyone else. Punk's character is an ass who dislikes people for being different than him, why would he care about what AJ thinks of him, especially after she puts him through a table? And that episode closed with her standing over them and commandeering Bryan's chant. When was the last time any diva got something like that? Ignore her? You can't! She was everywhere! Well she was the ref, so it will be pretty dam stupid of Punk if he insulted her and showed no care for her when she could easily cost him the title.
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 21, 2013 9:30:38 GMT -5
Trying their best to ignore her. The girl who got promo segment after promo segment, got more TV time per episode than anyone else and made more appearances per episode than anyone else. Punk's character is an ass who dislikes people for being different than him, why would he care about what AJ thinks of him, especially after she puts him through a table? And that episode closed with her standing over them and commandeering Bryan's chant. When was the last time any diva got something like that? Ignore her? You can't! She was everywhere! Well she was the ref, so it will be pretty dam stupid of Punk if he insulted her and showed no care for her when she could easily cost him the title. Yes. As part of her big push from June to December 2012 they made her the ref of the WWE title match at Money in the Bank. None of these like, narrative explanations for why she is in these prominent roles negates the fact that they put her in prominent roles. Her presence in prominent roles is a neutral thing, neither in of itself a good or bad thing. It's just a fact. It's what happened. No foolies.
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Post by Sparkybob on Apr 21, 2013 9:50:32 GMT -5
Well she was the ref, so it will be pretty dam stupid of Punk if he insulted her and showed no care for her when she could easily cost him the title. Yes. As part of her big push from June to December 2012 they made her the ref of the WWE title match at Money in the Bank. None of these like, narrative explanations for why she is in these prominent roles negates the fact that they put her in prominent roles. Her presence in prominent roles is a neutral thing, neither in of itself a good or bad thing. It's just a fact. It's what happened. No foolies. Did I make that argument in that post? All I posted was the reason why Punk couldn't keep his edgy "I only care about me attitude" with AJ because he will lose the title and he had to manipulate AJ so he keep what he treasures the most. .
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 21, 2013 9:52:51 GMT -5
Yes. As part of her big push from June to December 2012 they made her the ref of the WWE title match at Money in the Bank. None of these like, narrative explanations for why she is in these prominent roles negates the fact that they put her in prominent roles. Her presence in prominent roles is a neutral thing, neither in of itself a good or bad thing. It's just a fact. It's what happened. No foolies. Did I make that argument in that post? All I posted was the reason why Punk couldn't keep his edgy "I only care about me attitude" with AJ because he will lose the title and he had to manipulate AJ so he keep what he treasures the most. . Oh, I didn't get that context. I thought it was more of what BigWill was doing earlier, "you don't understand, she was only there cause (suchnsuch)".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 10:02:24 GMT -5
1) Chyna: Run as I-C Champion, was the Women's champion (injured neck angle with Ivory, the female member of RTC), was in Playboy (part of the storyline with Eddie Guerrero - which was hilarious), was in DX, was in the Corporation (her turn was a big deal at the time), was part of the three-match angle to determine a #1 contender to the WWF Title. For as little time as Chyna was actually there (1997-2001), she was a HUGE PART of the Attitude Era.
2) Trish Stratus: Thrown in as a valet for T&A (Test & Albert). Mistress to Vince around WM X7. Multi-time Women's Champion, fans loved her - put Trish in anything and she'd get the cheers, was a major part of the Christian-Chris Jericho "rivalry/bet". Worked her tail off to the point she set the bar really high for any Diva to reach.
3) Sable: Was first pushed around the time Marc Mero first debuted in the WWF, when Hunter Hearst Helmsley used her as a valet for a show or two. So they had a feud over her. Her mixed-tag match at WrestleMania XIV was seen by more mainstream fans than usual (thanks to the extra sports writers & photographers covering Mike Tyson's appearance that year), and was somewhat decent in the ring. Pretty much only feuded with Jacqueline & Luna Vachon. Posters, T-shirts, Sable had a lot of merchandise in 1998. Then she came back a few years later as Vince's "mistress". (And oh yeah, the "bikini contest".) Can't put Sable much higher because she really wasn't around that long, a couple of years total, tops.
4) Stephanie McMahon: I count her, and she was part of the Undertaker's "Ministry of Darkness" angles. The wedding angle with Test, no Triple H. Also part of the McMahon-Helmsley regime. Was with Chris Jericho when he was Unified champion, was actually in a match for that "prestigious" title on a Raw after WM X7. She won the Women's title in 2001. SmackDown GM for a long time, signed Brock Lesnar as the exclusive champion of SmackDown. They pushed the heck out of her a number of times and I haven't even really touched on everything; even while we got sick and tired of her. (She's a hot chick for sure, but that voice...sheesh. Nails on a chalkboard bad. Someone asked, "What other woman other than AJ had the WWE product centered around her for a long time, even as long as three months?" Stephanie.)
5) Lita: I'll admit it, I wasn't a big fan of her for a long time. She valeted for Essa Rios, when she'd do a high-flying move while the ref's back was turned. She ended up with the Hardy Boys - I wasn't much a fan of theirs, either, but if the fans squealed over the Hardys, they loved Lita by association. Pretty much the first Diva who could fly around the ring, "Team Extreme" to the max. I grew to respect her work, and she was a good role model when she wrestled. Then she was a part of the Kane/Matt Hardy/Edge triangle thing. She could play the villainous vixen like a violin.
6) Mickie James: Finally, the "stalker female fan of a Diva" angle works! She was a made-woman getting the best of Trish. Was pretty popular after turning face, she always got a huge ovation from the fans. Played underdog role well against Beth Phoenix. Pushing Mickie was a good thing.
7) Torrie Wilson: Never saw the big deal about Torrie, but she had memorable runs in the WWE. A match at No Mercy 2001 as part of the whole Invasion thing. Then, the good girl being stalked by Dawn Marie (Rinaldi was the given last name - I remember that when she was Stephanie's go-fer; never understood how it took Dawn 3 weeks to deliver a message to somebody, did she walk it there?), then subjected to Dawn whims marrying her "father". Then there was when she had Chloe, the stupid little dog, which turned into another Playboy push.
8) Stacy Kiebler: She was a Diva. She didn't wrestle all that much, but she was focused on quite a few times. The "accidental" chair shot. "The Duchess Of Dudleyville" (valet for the Dudleys). Test's PR & marketing strategist ("your fans need a name...the Testicles!") "Girlfriend" of Randy Orton, who got RKOed.
9) Eve Torres: Surprising, I know, but ever since she won that Divas Search, they have done everything to try and get Eve over, even if it made little sense. Probably the "most-successful" out of the more recent Divas. Still relevant enough to be on that "Superstars & Stripes" NBC "reality/game show", which earns her some points as far as being in the mainstream.
10) AJ Lee: AJ's pretty much on the same track as Eve, soon to pass her up. Only reason Eve's higher is because she's been around longer (which means pushed longer also) and been on that NBC show.
By no means is this a definitive list, but I also took into account whether they were known on a mainstream level at the time of their tenure(s) in WWF/E. Wrestling ability doesn't really matter, but it helped in cases where the matches did matter (mainly Trish, Lita & Mickie). Mainly how they were pushed and presented. Chyna is #1 because she was more of the Diva that mainly contended against other males. Can make a case for Beth Phoenix, as usually she was the one woman you had to prove yourself against to be considered good on a regular basis. Not one woman over the past few years could avoid having to face Beth in some capacity.
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Post by Crimson on Apr 21, 2013 11:50:43 GMT -5
1) Chyna: Run as I-C Champion, was the Women's champion (injured neck angle with Ivory, the female member of RTC), was in Playboy (part of the storyline with Eddie Guerrero - which was hilarious), was in DX, was in the Corporation (her turn was a big deal at the time), was part of the three-match angle to determine a #1 contender to the WWF Title. For as little time as Chyna was actually there (1997-2001), she was a HUGE PART of the Attitude Era. 2) Trish Stratus: Thrown in as a valet for T&A (Test & Albert). Mistress to Vince around WM X7. Multi-time Women's Champion, fans loved her - put Trish in anything and she'd get the cheers, was a major part of the Christian-Chris Jericho "rivalry/bet". Worked her tail off to the point she set the bar really high for any Diva to reach. 3) Sable: Was first pushed around the time Marc Mero first debuted in the WWF, when Hunter Hearst Helmsley used her as a valet for a show or two. So they had a feud over her. Her mixed-tag match at WrestleMania XIV was seen by more mainstream fans than usual (thanks to the extra sports writers & photographers covering Mike Tyson's appearance that year), and was somewhat decent in the ring. Pretty much only feuded with Jacqueline & Luna Vachon. Posters, T-shirts, Sable had a lot of merchandise in 1998. Then she came back a few years later as Vince's "mistress". (And oh yeah, the "bikini contest".) Can't put Sable much higher because she really wasn't around that long, a couple of years total, tops. 4) Stephanie McMahon: I count her, and she was part of the Undertaker's "Ministry of Darkness" angles. The wedding angle with Test, no Triple H. Also part of the McMahon-Helmsley regime. Was with Chris Jericho when he was Unified champion, was actually in a match for that "prestigious" title on a Raw after WM X7. She won the Women's title in 2001. SmackDown GM for a long time, signed Brock Lesnar as the exclusive champion of SmackDown. They pushed the heck out of her a number of times and I haven't even really touched on everything; even while we got sick and tired of her. (She's a hot chick for sure, but that voice...sheesh. Nails on a chalkboard bad. Someone asked, "What other woman other than AJ had the WWE product centered around her for a long time, even as long as three months?" Stephanie.) 5) Lita: I'll admit it, I wasn't a big fan of her for a long time. She valeted for Essa Rios, when she'd do a high-flying move while the ref's back was turned. She ended up with the Hardy Boys - I wasn't much a fan of theirs, either, but if the fans squealed over the Hardys, they loved Lita by association. Pretty much the first Diva who could fly around the ring, "Team Extreme" to the max. I grew to respect her work, and she was a good role model when she wrestled. Then she was a part of the Kane/Matt Hardy/Edge triangle thing. She could play the villainous vixen like a violin. 6) Mickie James: Finally, the "stalker female fan of a Diva" angle works! She was a made-woman getting the best of Trish. Was pretty popular after turning face, she always got a huge ovation from the fans. Played underdog role well against Beth Phoenix. Pushing Mickie was a good thing. 7) Torrie Wilson: Never saw the big deal about Torrie, but she had memorable runs in the WWE. A match at No Mercy 2001 as part of the whole Invasion thing. Then, the good girl being stalked by Dawn Marie (Rinaldi was the given last name - I remember that when she was Stephanie's go-fer; never understood how it took Dawn 3 weeks to deliver a message to somebody, did she walk it there?), then subjected to Dawn whims marrying her "father". Then there was when she had Chloe, the stupid little dog, which turned into another Playboy push. 8) Stacy Kiebler: She was a Diva. She didn't wrestle all that much, but she was focused on quite a few times. The "accidental" chair shot. "The Duchess Of Dudleyville" (valet for the Dudleys). Test's PR & marketing strategist ("your fans need a name...the Testicles!") "Girlfriend" of Randy Orton, who got RKOed. 9) Eve Torres: Surprising, I know, but ever since she won that Divas Search, they have done everything to try and get Eve over, even if it made little sense. Probably the "most-successful" out of the more recent Divas. Still relevant enough to be on that "Superstars & Stripes" NBC "reality/game show", which earns her some points as far as being in the mainstream. 10) AJ Lee: AJ's pretty much on the same track as Eve, soon to pass her up. Only reason Eve's higher is because she's been around longer (which means pushed longer also) and been on that NBC show. By no means is this a definitive list, but I also took into account whether they were known on a mainstream level at the time of their tenure(s) in WWF/E. Wrestling ability doesn't really matter, but it helped in cases where the matches did matter (mainly Trish, Lita & Mickie). Mainly how they were pushed and presented. Chyna is #1 because she was more of the Diva that mainly contended against other males. Can make a case for Beth Phoenix, as usually she was the one woman you had to prove yourself against to be considered good on a regular basis. Not one woman over the past few years could avoid having to face Beth in some capacity. I think this is near perfect. Only thing I would change is replacing either AJ or Eve with LayCool.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 12:02:14 GMT -5
Torrie never even held the belt. She may have gotten some storylines, but when she was around, everyone did. I really don't think you can't have Beth and Melina on this list simply because they dominated WWE TV from 2007 to late 2009, with some pushes after that (and plenty of screen time before, in Melina's case). Trying their best to ignore her. The girl who got promo segment after promo segment, got more TV time per episode than anyone else and made more appearances per episode than anyone else. Punk's character is an ass who dislikes people for being different than him, why would he care about what AJ thinks of him, especially after she puts him through a table? And that episode closed with her standing over them and commandeering Bryan's chant. When was the last time any diva got something like that? Ignore her? You can't! She was everywhere! I'm so happy you're here on this thread. You remember! How can I not? AJ went from being a wrestler I was actually excited about seeing and became someone who I seriously could not stand to watch on my TV. If she so much as sneezed last year, this board was in awe. It was horrendous. And when finally some of us opened our mouths, the arguments about us being petty and haters and all that wonderful stuff came out. Guess what, folks? It's not like we're complaining about her based on personal rumors from a dirtsheet. That would be petty and ridiculous. No, we, as wrestling fans, just disliked the means by which she was being used as a performer. Now that AJ's not important, I don't mind her. So the issue about how hard she's been pushed is no longer a cause for concern. Well she was the ref, so it will be pretty dam stupid of Punk if he insulted her and showed no care for her when she could easily cost him the title. Even when she wasn't, Punk was beguiled by her presence. Awful. Simply awful.
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 21, 2013 12:06:41 GMT -5
Now that AJ's not important, I don't mind her. So the issue about how hard she's been pushed is no longer a cause for concern. Exactly. It's died down, and it's not something I have to think about when watching wrestling, so I have nothing to say about it. However that doesn't mean it never happened.
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