Unocal 76
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Post by Unocal 76 on Apr 29, 2013 16:11:13 GMT -5
On the flip side- personally, I'd just move the Hawks to Seattle (something that was thrown around on this thread last week).
Hopefully, we can get a win-win situation where Sacramento AND Seattle both have teams.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 29, 2013 16:14:22 GMT -5
Steve Nash was among several Lakers to say Monday they hope Dwight Howard resigns with L.A. this offseason.
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Post by BRV on Apr 29, 2013 16:17:06 GMT -5
On the flip side- personally, I'd just move the Hawks to Seattle (something that was thrown around on this thread last week). Hopefully, we can get a win-win situation where Sacramento AND Seattle both have teams. The NBA has plenty of options for franchises to relocate to Seattle. Atlanta has a piss-poor fan base, but they do have a sparkling, relatively new arena, and we know how shiny new arenas give David Stern that warm and fuzzy feeling. Milwaukee could be a candidate, as the Bradley Center is aging and the fans aren't showing up (80.3 percent capacity for a young and exciting playoff contender). Charlotte, like Atlanta, has awful fans but a new arena, but they also have the cache of the Michael Jordan brand. Cleveland and Detroit both have terrible attendance figures, but their fans turn out in droves when they succeed, and the biggest issue with attendance might be that the respective cities of Cleveland and Detroit have become dystopian wastelands over the last decade.
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Post by Lancers on Apr 29, 2013 16:24:11 GMT -5
I'm starting to think the NBA was using Sacramento/Seattle as an excuse to force expansion. It will mean more short turn money but will decrease the overall quality of play. And it appears to be working perfectly. Rather then focusing on the dilution of the talent pool, people will be focused on "WE KEEP OUR TEAM YAY/ WE GET A NEW TEAM YAY"I honestly believe it will just create more bottom-feeder teams with "Headline Talent" that probably wouldn't even start for most playoff teams. I still think there's enough talent to not dilute the overall product. In reality, if you add just one expansion team, that's 13 more players than the year before. Not a big difference. The real issue is that there are only a handful of markets that can actually draw superstar talent to their organization. Markets like Sacramento and Seattle can't draw those guys in. Unlike the NFL where the top free agent last year (Mario Williams) went to Buffalo of all places. Atlanta has a piss-poor fan base, but they do have a sparkling, relatively new arena, and we know how shiny new arenas give David Stern that warm and fuzzy feeling. Milwaukee could be a candidate, as the Bradley Center is aging and the fans aren't showing up (80.3 percent capacity for a young and exciting playoff contender). Charlotte, like Atlanta, has awful fans but a new arena, but they also have the cache of the Michael Jordan brand. Cleveland and Detroit both have terrible attendance figures, but their fans turn out in droves when they succeed, and the biggest issue with attendance might be that the respective cities of Cleveland and Detroit have become dystopian wastelands over the last decade. The problem is that a lot of people would say the same thing about Sacramento and look at what happened. The entire city rallied around to save the Kings. Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta...all of those teams have enough people to come out and scream bloody murder if a new owner even looks at a different direction.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Apr 29, 2013 16:39:53 GMT -5
Not the Bucks. The fans won't care if they leave.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Apr 29, 2013 16:41:03 GMT -5
I have a simple relocation solution:
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Post by BRV on Apr 29, 2013 16:44:13 GMT -5
The problem is that a lot of people would say the same thing about Sacramento and look at what happened. The entire city rallied around to save the Kings. Detroit, Milwaukee, Atlanta...all of those teams have enough people to come out and scream bloody murder if a new owner even looks at a different direction. That's the thing, the fans showed up when the realization started setting in that the franchise would be leaving town, and even then, they only managed to fill the arena to about 79 percent capacity for the season. Maybe it's all attributed to apathy because of a terrible ownership group. If Kings fans are as dedicated to the cause as they seem, they'll sell out that building 41 nights a year next season without a problem. But if we're into December and January, and only 11,000 fans are showing up for a home game, then all of this picketing and protesting and rallying is going to look foolish, because there is a city about 800 miles to the north that would kill for a professional basketball team and was very close to getting that back.
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Post by Lancers on Apr 29, 2013 17:09:45 GMT -5
That's the thing, the fans showed up when the realization started setting in that the franchise would be leaving town, and even then, they only managed to fill the arena to about 79 percent capacity for the season. Maybe it's all attributed to apathy because of a terrible ownership group. If Kings fans are as dedicated to the cause as they seem, they'll sell out that building 41 nights a year next season without a problem. But if we're into December and January, and only 11,000 fans are showing up for a home game, then all of this picketing and protesting and rallying is going to look foolish, because there is a city about 800 miles to the north that would kill for a professional basketball team and was very close to getting that back. The Kings have been trash for a few years now. A losing culture can create apathy towards the product. Smaller markets have a harder time filling up a stadium than a town ten times the size. When the Bulls were hot garbage post-Jordan they still had a very high attendance figure in spite of how awful they were early in the 2000s. Ultimately, it's no different than taking a toy away from a child. It really isn't so much about the toy itself as much as it's the fact that somebody is trying to take it away from you. If you're a Kings fan, you don't want to lose your team because your GM sucks at his job. It's not Sacramento's fault that they're incompetent. That's a very passionate fanbase when they're good, but when they suck, it's a lot harder to maintain big crowds when you don't have a large enough market. And that's what really worries me about the NBA. Smaller markets have a razor thin margin of error as opposed to other professional leagues. Decreasing the number of teams could theoretically improve that, but think about all the communities and small businesses that thrive off of having a team in their town.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 29, 2013 18:23:56 GMT -5
Monday, April 29th
Chicago Bulls at Brooklyn Nets – Game 5, 7:00/4:00 PM, TNT
Indiana Pacers at Atlanta Hawks – Game 4, 7:30/4:30 PM, NBATV
Oklahoma City Thunder at Houston Rockets – Game 4, 9:30/6:30 PM, TNT
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 29, 2013 20:40:20 GMT -5
If I'm the Heat I'm happy this series is not over yet
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Post by MGH on Apr 29, 2013 20:42:04 GMT -5
They're not finished playin' just yet.
Way to bounce back.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 29, 2013 20:53:21 GMT -5
Jeremy Lin (bruised chest) will not play in Game 4 on Monday.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Apr 29, 2013 20:57:17 GMT -5
Gerald Evans is like Bizarro Dwight Howard- not great at FT's, but he can hit threes!
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 29, 2013 20:58:12 GMT -5
I guess there isn't an unlimited supply of late-game magic. The Bulls used it all in game 4.
Got to finish them next game.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 29, 2013 21:07:02 GMT -5
And we get two more games of this Hawks/Pacers series
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Post by MGH on Apr 29, 2013 21:07:42 GMT -5
And we get two more games of this Hawks/Pacers series This will somehow end up being the longest series of round 1. Huzzah! ...said no non-Pacer or Hawk fan ever.
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Post by Toxik916 on Apr 29, 2013 21:17:11 GMT -5
That's the thing, the fans showed up when the realization started setting in that the franchise would be leaving town, and even then, they only managed to fill the arena to about 79 percent capacity for the season. Maybe it's all attributed to apathy because of a terrible ownership group. If Kings fans are as dedicated to the cause as they seem, they'll sell out that building 41 nights a year next season without a problem. But if we're into December and January, and only 11,000 fans are showing up for a home game, then all of this picketing and protesting and rallying is going to look foolish, because there is a city about 800 miles to the north that would kill for a professional basketball team and was very close to getting that back. The Kings have been trash for a few years now. A losing culture can create apathy towards the product. Smaller markets have a harder time filling up a stadium than a town ten times the size. When the Bulls were hot garbage post-Jordan they still had a very high attendance figure in spite of how awful they were early in the 2000s. Ultimately, it's no different than taking a toy away from a child. It really isn't so much about the toy itself as much as it's the fact that somebody is trying to take it away from you. If you're a Kings fan, you don't want to lose your team because your GM sucks at his job. It's not Sacramento's fault that they're incompetent. That's a very passionate fanbase when they're good, but when they suck, it's a lot harder to maintain big crowds when you don't have a large enough market. And that's what really worries me about the NBA. Smaller markets have a razor thin margin of error as opposed to other professional leagues. Decreasing the number of teams could theoretically improve that, but think about all the communities and small businesses that thrive off of having a team in their town. Kings fans have always supported a lackluster product. Selling out 19 of 28 seasons for a team that has only made 10 playoff appearances in it's time in the city is unparalleled. We never gave up on the team, people here just got tired of being Maloofed. I can guarantee that Arco will be packed next season. I take pride in my city doing what no other city could have accomplished, there's no quit in Sacramento and we fought valiantly for our team. Without the leadership from Mayor Kevin Johnson we would've lost the team long ago, our grassroots organizations were essential in rallying the troops, I personally went to several city council meetings, went to games, used social media, and donated money for ticket drives to help save the team. This was Sacramento coming together and winning as a community, it had nothing to do with Seattle losing out on the NBA again. I don't understand how someone can say Seattle can't catch a break, they didn't deserve the Kings and Sacramento will rightfully keep what is ours.
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Post by Rican on Apr 29, 2013 21:49:36 GMT -5
f*** yessss!!!!!! The nba has denied relocation! The Kings are staying in Sacramento! I'm so happy I have tears of joy streaming down my face! Congrats man. I am happy you and the rest of Sacramento get to keep your team.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Apr 29, 2013 21:56:20 GMT -5
The Pacers / Hawks looks like a home court series, I expect the home team all the remaining games, which is good news for the Pacers. The big winners are the Knicks, either they face a worn down Pacers team or dare I say it the Hawks. It is looking more and more like a Knicks / Heats Eastern Conference finals.
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Post by Romeo Hotel on Apr 29, 2013 21:56:45 GMT -5
If this game comes down to free throws...we will lose. This is pathetic.
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