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Post by Sigma: Current SRW Champ! on May 5, 2013 21:08:57 GMT -5
4 Pages and nobody's mentioned Mel Phillips yet. So I will. Fritz would have to be the winner, especially in the form of Mike's problems and also having the Fake Von Erich as well to help sell tickets as well. For those that haven't watched either World Class DVD, it's a sad tale, but it's needed to be exposed. Which one DVD paints the more realistic picture? The independently done one. I think it was Heroes of World Class.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2013 13:53:25 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan wouldn't even rank on a PWI-style "Top 500" list of "scumbags" in wrestling history.
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Post by chazraps on May 6, 2013 22:45:17 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan wouldn't even rank on a PWI-style "Top 500" list of "scumbags" in wrestling history. He did get his teenage son and his friends drunk, let them race in his cars inebriated where one passenger was left a vegetable and then took no responsibility saying the victim "was into bad stuff" and "had it coming."
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on May 7, 2013 11:32:13 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan wouldn't even rank on a PWI-style "Top 500" list of "scumbags" in wrestling history. He did get his teenage son and his friends drunk, let them race in his cars inebriated where one passenger was left a vegetable and then took no responsibility saying the victim "was into bad stuff" and "had it coming." Just saying that the young man "had it coming" should qualify Hulk as scum.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on May 7, 2013 12:09:15 GMT -5
Please tell me this is something someone heard, an internet story, and not straight from Kevin's mouth, because if it is, it is one of the most F***** Up things ever. IF it is true and validated, then we should just lock the thread right here, because Fritz is the "winner". I don't think anything could top that. Also, when David collapsed in Japan, Fritz supposedly gave the other wrestlers the order to go out into the hall and stall the paramedics until all the drugs could be flushed down the toilet. Fritz wasn't in Japan when David died. I've heard it said that Brody flushed everything but it was while they were waiting for paramedics to arrive. Who knows if that's true or not, but Fritz can actually get a pass on this one. David Manning got the call from Japan and drove out to where Fritz was building a new house, staying in a motor home until it was finished. He said he knocked on the door, Fritz opened it, looked at him and said, "Which one?"
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Post by willyjakes on May 7, 2013 12:11:46 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan wouldn't even rank on a PWI-style "Top 500" list of "scumbags" in wrestling history. He did get his teenage son and his friends drunk, let them race in his cars inebriated where one passenger was left a vegetable and then took no responsibility saying the victim "was into bad stuff brother" and "had it coming brother." fixed for ya I had no idea that incident happened right after Hulk himself got them drunk?
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Post by marvelocity on May 7, 2013 12:55:08 GMT -5
Superfly Jimmy Snuka has been rumored to have killed a woman, but that may have been a combination of recreational drugs and roid rage that caused that (not saying either of those are a fact, but it's hardly a stretch to say a wrestler from the 1980's was using cocaine and steroids).
And I have to second New Jack for this, for the Mass Transit incident alone. Haven't ever heard one redeeming quality of that man.
But in all actuality, I'm sure there are numerous promoters, bookers, etc. whose names have been lost to the years, that were low-down scum. It's a sad fact, but professional wrestling is a business that it's very hard to be a success without being shady, scummy or worse.
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Post by SOR on May 7, 2013 14:27:24 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan wouldn't even rank on a PWI-style "Top 500" list of "scumbags" in wrestling history. He did get his teenage son and his friends drunk, let them race in his cars inebriated where one passenger was left a vegetable and then took no responsibility saying the victim "was into bad stuff" and "had it coming." I just looked up the story and it never even mentioned Hulk being around let alone giving them alcohol and letting them race. I think the story is Hulk was gone at a restaurant or something. Nick and his friend were hanging out at the house drinking Hulk invites them to the restaurant they get in the car and Nick acts like a fool and drag races his friend causing him to crash and become a vegetable. The actual story says Nick and his friend were going to a restaurant so it's not to farfetched to think Hulk may of invited them out. As for the "had it coming" comment, you guys know what he meant by that surely. He probably meant that the guy had it coming because he was a daredevil or took a lot of risks or something. It's unsympathetic to say but he could of been telling the truth.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on May 7, 2013 14:37:49 GMT -5
Isn't trying to decide wrestling's biggest scumbag kinda like trying to spot the biggest germ in a week-old puke pile? It's an inherently sleazy trade. To such an extent, it amazes me anyone wants to get involved. I think relates to what Punk said about having to have something profoundly amiss with your mental make-up to think it's a valiant business to surround yourself in.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on May 7, 2013 14:50:18 GMT -5
There have to be some Japanese wrestlers who should be on this list, given the harshness of wrestling dojos over there, and the Yakuza connection.
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Post by chazraps on May 7, 2013 16:17:45 GMT -5
He did get his teenage son and his friends drunk, let them race in his cars inebriated where one passenger was left a vegetable and then took no responsibility saying the victim "was into bad stuff" and "had it coming." I just looked up the story and it never even mentioned Hulk being around let alone giving them alcohol and letting them race. I think the story is Hulk was gone at a restaurant or something. Nick and his friend were hanging out at the house drinking Hulk invites them to the restaurant they get in the car and Nick acts like a fool and drag races his friend causing him to crash and become a vegetable. The actual story says Nick and his friend were going to a restaurant so it's not to farfetched to think Hulk may of invited them out. As for the "had it coming" comment, you guys know what he meant by that surely. He probably meant that the guy had it coming because he was a daredevil or took a lot of risks or something. It's unsympathetic to say but he could of been telling the truth. You are absolutely wrong about that last part. Nobody "has it coming," especially when you consider that Hogan let his kid drive drunk to kill his friend. Plus, if you're the driver, you're responsible for everyone in the car. It's a horrible thing to say, and even taking it the way you're suggesting, is painfully wrong. I followed the story closely as it happened, and I recall Hulk being involved. Haven't heard of him not being present before. Not sure how they would get access to two of his cars and alcohol at his place without Hulk being responsible.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on May 7, 2013 16:31:56 GMT -5
5 pages and no Benoit?
I wanna say Earl Hebner too for straight up lying to Bret before the Screwjob (he even sweared on his kids' life.)
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 7, 2013 16:59:13 GMT -5
Wasn't there even a photo of Hogan with them earlier in the evening? I'm sure I saw something along those lines.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on May 7, 2013 17:12:36 GMT -5
I think the ultimate answer to this thread is probably noted grappler Jimmy the Scumbag, who tipped the scales at 750 lbs. of solid scum in a 600 lbs. bag. He showed up at the house of what he believed was a minor with the intent to have sex with him. How does the fact that a minor for him to have sex with not being there count as being "shady" on the other side? Again, RF is not in the right or a victim, but in the chat the guys pretending to be 14 really pushed for a meeting. RF should have not have gone on with it and should not have said "LOL I'll pretend you said 18" but after he found out the guy was 14 he wasn't like oh we have to meet. They really begged for him to go. So there's my reasoning for that. I don't necessarily like RF, but from my point of view reading the chat transcripts, it seemed shady to me at the same time. The way I see it, it's like if I'm chatting with somebody and they tell me "Hey, I have some cocaine here! You should come over and snort this cocaine with me!" And I say "I don't know..." And they say "Come on! Haven't you ever done coke before? It's awesome! I know it's illegal, but it shouldn't be, because it's not as risky as it's made out to be, and oh man, you would not believe the high you get from it! It's like the best orgasm you ever had multiplied by a million! And it's even better if you do it with somebody else..." So the guy goes on and on and on about how much he wants me to snort this cocaine, and initially I have doubts about it but he convinces me that it's really not bad and I won't be risking my health and he's not risking his health and eventually I think "You know, he makes some good points, and it might be fun. I'll go over there." Then I go over there and it turns out it was all a hoax by people who wanted to find out who was using illegal narcotics in their neighbourhood. And then maybe they start telling everybody I know that I'm a junkie and that I probably deal drugs too and whatever else. But I wouldn't have even gone there if they hadn't kept asking me to. When police do that, it's called entrapment. You need to prove that somebody would have done something illegal without you encouraging them to do it.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on May 7, 2013 17:19:43 GMT -5
I remember a user here posting a story about Justin Roberts (yes, THAT Justin Roberts) once that, if true, would certainly rank him up there. I'm guessing that it's probably not this one, but this one makes Roberts sound like an asshole nevertheless:
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on May 7, 2013 17:33:11 GMT -5
NEW MOTHER FREAKING JACK!
end of story
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Post by chazraps on May 7, 2013 17:44:29 GMT -5
Again, RF is not in the right or a victim, but in the chat the guys pretending to be 14 really pushed for a meeting. RF should have not have gone on with it and should not have said "LOL I'll pretend you said 18" but after he found out the guy was 14 he wasn't like oh we have to meet. They really begged for him to go. So there's my reasoning for that. I don't necessarily like RF, but from my point of view reading the chat transcripts, it seemed shady to me at the same time. The way I see it, it's like if I'm chatting with somebody and they tell me "Hey, I have some cocaine here! You should come over and snort this cocaine with me!" And I say "I don't know..." And they say "Come on! Haven't you ever done coke before? It's awesome! I know it's illegal, but it shouldn't be, because it's not as risky as it's made out to be, and oh man, you would not believe the high you get from it! It's like the best orgasm you ever had multiplied by a million! And it's even better if you do it with somebody else..." So the guy goes on and on and on about how much he wants me to snort this cocaine, and initially I have doubts about it but he convinces me that it's really not bad and I won't be risking my health and he's not risking his health and eventually I think "You know, he makes some good points, and it might be fun. I'll go over there." Then I go over there and it turns out it was all a hoax by people who wanted to find out who was using illegal narcotics in their neighbourhood. And then maybe they start telling everybody I know that I'm a junkie and that I probably deal drugs too and whatever else. But I wouldn't have even gone there if they hadn't kept asking me to. When police do that, it's called entrapment. You need to prove that somebody would have done something illegal without you encouraging them to do it. We're talking about molesting a child though. Chatting with somebody about cocaine isn't illegal. The act of entertaining a sexually themed chat with a minor by itself is a felony. There's no circumstance where "I'm an adult who's going to have sex with this 14 year old" is in any way acceptable or passable. If a fourteen year old is telling you it's OK to have sex with them, and you decide to leave the home intent on having sex with that 14 year old, you are a scumbag who was willing to commit a sex crime by statutory raping a child.
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Post by SOR on May 7, 2013 17:52:48 GMT -5
I like how people are trying to defend Feinstein.
Here's a different spin on it:
You meet someone in a chat room it turns out they're 14. They want sex you say no because it isn't legal and you're probably not attracted to 14 anyway. The 14 year old keeps asking and tells you it'll be fun. You're a lonely dude who hasn't had sex in awhile so you decide to go over.
You go over you get into the house and the 14 year old is there. You start having second thoughts but the 14 year old convinces you it's fine so you go for it and have sex with the kid. A few days later the parents find the chat and find out you had sex with their child they of course tell the Police and you get arrested
You go to trial and you say "But your honor, I didn't want to do it but she kept asking me to do it until I was convinced" you still made the decision just like Feinstein did. If that was a normal kid that Feinstein had been talking too do you think Feinstein wouldn't of done anything with the child? You're crazy if you believe that.
Thank god it was perverted justice and not a little kid.
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on May 7, 2013 18:26:29 GMT -5
The way I see it, it's like if I'm chatting with somebody and they tell me "Hey, I have some cocaine here! You should come over and snort this cocaine with me!" And I say "I don't know..." And they say "Come on! Haven't you ever done coke before? It's awesome! I know it's illegal, but it shouldn't be, because it's not as risky as it's made out to be, and oh man, you would not believe the high you get from it! It's like the best orgasm you ever had multiplied by a million! And it's even better if you do it with somebody else..." So the guy goes on and on and on about how much he wants me to snort this cocaine, and initially I have doubts about it but he convinces me that it's really not bad and I won't be risking my health and he's not risking his health and eventually I think "You know, he makes some good points, and it might be fun. I'll go over there." Then I go over there and it turns out it was all a hoax by people who wanted to find out who was using illegal narcotics in their neighbourhood. And then maybe they start telling everybody I know that I'm a junkie and that I probably deal drugs too and whatever else. But I wouldn't have even gone there if they hadn't kept asking me to. When police do that, it's called entrapment. You need to prove that somebody would have done something illegal without you encouraging them to do it. We're talking about molesting a child though. Chatting with somebody about cocaine isn't illegal. The act of entertaining a sexually themed chat with a minor by itself is a felony. There's no circumstance where "I'm an adult who's going to have sex with this 14 year old" is in any way acceptable or passable. If a fourteen year old is telling you it's OK to have sex with them, and you decide to leave the home intent on having sex with that 14 year old, you are a scumbag who was willing to commit a sex crime by statutory raping a child. Rape as far as I'm concerned is what Terry Garvin did with those ring boys. That makes him a scumbag, because they didn't ask for it, they weren't comfortable with it, and that makes all the difference. Not to mention that there are places where the age of consent is 14. I remember being fourteen. I made some life-altering decisions when I was fourteen--none of them involving sexual activity, but some of them serious nonetheless. I would never dream of saying that I was somehow mentally deficient at that age and that I was not capable of making my own decisions. I reached my peak intelligence at fourteen. I had the same IQ at fourteen that I have today. That is what matters. If I had asked an adult woman on a date at fourteen--and I did find adult women attractive at that age--and she had miraculously said yes, and if I ended up losing my virginity? I would not have considered it rape, because I would have been the one who asked for it, and it would have been my decision. Oh, and I was reading an article the other day about how a fifteeen year old boy in Oregon received a life sentence for shooting up a school, years ago. He's in his thirties now, but in that case nobody was saying "Oh, he was a teenager, he didn't know what he was doing, he wasn't capable of making decisions for himself, he wasn't responsible." No, everybody thought he was responsible. Everybody thought he was smart enough to make his own decisions and be held responsible for them. Funny how there's that double standard, huh? Either teenagers are responsible for their decisions or they aren't. That's what I believe. It's either A or B. I believe they are responsible.
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Post by chazraps on May 7, 2013 18:33:52 GMT -5
We're talking about molesting a child though. Chatting with somebody about cocaine isn't illegal. The act of entertaining a sexually themed chat with a minor by itself is a felony. There's no circumstance where "I'm an adult who's going to have sex with this 14 year old" is in any way acceptable or passable. If a fourteen year old is telling you it's OK to have sex with them, and you decide to leave the home intent on having sex with that 14 year old, you are a scumbag who was willing to commit a sex crime by statutory raping a child. Rape as far as I'm concerned is what Terry Garvin did with those ring boys. That makes him a scumbag, because they didn't ask for it, they weren't comfortable with it, and that makes all the difference. Not to mention that there are places where the age of consent is 14. I remember being fourteen. I made some life-altering decisions when I was fourteen--none of them involving sexual activity, but some of them serious nonetheless. I would never dream of saying that I was somehow mentally deficient at that age and that I was not capable of making my own decisions. I reached my peak intelligence at fourteen. I had the same IQ at fourteen that I have today. That is what matters. If I had asked an adult woman on a date at fourteen--and I did find adult women attractive at that age--and she had miraculously said yes, and if I ended up losing my virginity? I would not have considered it rape, because I would have been the one who asked for it, and it would have been my decision. Oh, and I was reading an article the other day about how a fifteeen year old boy in Oregon received a life sentence for shooting up a school, years ago. He's in his thirties now, but in that case nobody was saying "Oh, he was a teenager, he didn't know what he was doing, he wasn't capable of making decisions for himself, he wasn't responsible." No, everybody thought he was responsible. Everybody thought he was smart enough to make his own decisions and be held responsible for them. Funny how there's that double standard, huh? Either teenagers are responsible for their decisions or they aren't. That's what I believe. It's either A or B. I believe they are responsible. Speaking as a high school teacher, there is a TREMENDOUS difference between the ages 14 and 15, let alone 14 and 18. Further, if we're talking sexuality, teenagers are such a powder-keg of hormones that any adult taking advantage of a confused teenager is effectively raping them. They. Don't. Know. Better. There's no place in the United States any longer where 14 is the age of consent. The gun comparison is idiotic because, from age seven onward, a kid can differentiate right from wrong and understand that harming or killing others is bad. That's pretty simple. Teenage sexuality, not so much. If you think you're the same person now as you were at 14, you need to take a long hard look at what you've done with your life. I shudder to think you would let your 14-year-old child get taken advantage of by some creepy adult.
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