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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 4:05:37 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Produceman is dead. He was Krang - Vanilla Townie. It is now Day Phase #7.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 4:10:17 GMT -5
Artificial Human #2 Connor Mackenzie Felandria (Jono) Mr B Natural: Dolphan Again Orange Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) stinger4christ #2 (Formerly Cageking, Double H #2) "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz The Man They Call Asher Yami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson)
With 10 of you left, it takes 6 votes for a lynch.
The deadline for a lynch will be Monday, June 3rd at 5pm. (EST)
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 25, 2013 4:22:40 GMT -5
Interesting... so that pretty much confirms Brad was piggybacking off of a townie this whole time. Whether intentional or not, it's good to know my instincts didn't fail me there. Definitely glad I voted for him now.
I find it intriguing that Asher, Orange, and I, all pretty safe choices as town for the moment according to our departed cop, are still around at this point. I'm guessing that our scummy assailants are worried about wasting a night kill for fear that we might be protected. And with their role-blocker out of the picture they can't do much to stop a doctor (If there still is one at this point. There's no telling with both Stinger #1 and Zack as unknown at this point.) from negating their kill. At least I believe that to be the case. If they have a Hitman in their midst (which I'm uncertain as to whether they are able to be role-blocked or not) then that changes things.
So with three scum down, four counting the serial killer, I think we're slowly getting towards the endgame here. We've just gotta sniff out a few more and we'll be home free. And with two more people votes we can use to help narrow down our suspects I feel that we're in great position right now to win this game. We've just gotta be careful not to botch things up.
I'll be back later on to post when I'm... more awake.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on May 25, 2013 5:39:40 GMT -5
Bah, i had a feeling I was gonna die. You know what to do, Town. Get those bastards.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on May 25, 2013 12:35:02 GMT -5
Good catch, Connor. Fixed version: Day 1 BoilerRoomBrawler (11): The Shareholder Called Asher, Produceman, Lodi "Riddler" Rulz, Zack Morris is Insane, Connor Mackenzie, Sloth Spartan V1, Mr. B Natural Believes, Brad is the Simming Master!, Artificial Human, Yami Redgrave v2, Yami RedgraveArtificial Human (3): stinger4christ, "Timeless Star" Double H, BoilerRoomBrawlerNot Voting: Wolf HurricaneOrange Stinger4christ v2 Joker"The Fresh Prince" Magiconz Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Felandria (Jono) Day 2 Current Vote Count! BoilerRoomBrawler (11): Felandria (Jono), Produceman, The Shareholder Called Asher, Brad is the Simming Master!, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, stinger4christ, Zack Morris is Insane, Joker, Sloth Spartan V1, Connor Mackenzie, Lodi "Riddler" RulzArtificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, BoilerRoomBrawlerNot Voting: Wolf HurricaneMr B Natural Believes Orange Artificial HumanStinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Day 3 Current Vote Count: Artificial Human (2): Yami Redgrave, stinger4christYami Redgrave (10): The Shareholder Called Asher, Artificial Human, Produceman, Brad is the Simming Master!, Felandria, Wolf Hurricane, Connor Mackenzie, “The Fresh Prince” Magiconz, Orange, JokerNot Voting: Mr B Natural Believes Sloth SpartanStinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Artificial Human v2 Day 4 Joker (10): Orange, Connor Mackenzie, Yami Redgrave, Wolf Hurricane, Produceman, Mr B Natural Believes, stinger4christ, Felandria, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, Artificial Human v2 Yami Redgrave (2): The Shareholder Called Asher, JokerNot Voting Brad is the Simming Master!Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 Sloth Spartan v2 Day 5 Wolf Hurricane (8): Yami Redgrave, Produceman, Brad is the Simming Master!, Artificial Human v2, Orange, Connor Mackenzie, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, The Shareholder Called AsherNot Voting 1. Wolf Hurricane2. Mr B Natural Believes Stinger4christ v2 Yami Redgrave v2 11. Sloth Spartan v2 13. Felandria (Jono) And also a good catch B/Connor on the voting trend. We've seen games in the past where a mafia will just piggyback on a town member. Throwing in my two cents: I'm leaning town on Produce due to him also catching that Yami was the cop a full day phase before Yami pretty much revealed himself. That was his "I see what Spartan saw" post before he quickly turned face on his suspicion of Yami. I saw that as using new evidence to see someone in a different light and came off very town-like in my books. Brad, I hadn't been leaning either direction. Alright, so I've updated Sloth's colouring as per these latest results and this is the results from this past day as far as voting (officially as per Notorious noting that Orange didn't unvote before switching votes). If I messed anything up please let me know and I can fix it accordingly. Current Vote Count: Strong Brad (7): Produceman, Artificial Human #2, "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz, The Man They Call Asher, Connor Mackenzie, Felandria, Mr. B Natural: Dolphan Again "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz (1): Orange Sloth Spartan #2 (Formerly Hayden) stinger4christ #2 (Formerly Cageking, Double H #2) Strong BradYami Redgrave #2 (Formerly Hawk Jefferson) So, at this point I suspect we have 1 or 2 mafia left and while it was great to hit another mafia with our vote it's been made bittersweet with the loss of Produce who was one of our more active posters. Let's not let the loss of him be a turning point for the mafia to try and re-establish themselves.
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on May 27, 2013 6:41:56 GMT -5
So, quiet weekend but I've got that voting post up so let's take a look at it folks and start up some conversation. Three straight days of non-town lynching, let's keep it up!
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on May 27, 2013 8:36:23 GMT -5
I'm gonna take a closer look at Mr. B Natural when I can keep my eyes open long enough to do so.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 27, 2013 20:53:53 GMT -5
Also Sloth Spartan, would you mind explaining why you didn't vote last day phase?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 27, 2013 20:58:16 GMT -5
Go right ahead, Asher. I have nothing to hide and if it'll put you at ease about me than take as good of a look as you'd like.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 28, 2013 22:30:37 GMT -5
Also Sloth Spartan, would you mind explaining why you didn't vote last day phase? Being completely honest: I've lost a bit of interest in mafia games in general and just haven't been as passionate about this one as I have been for past ones. That is no one's fault but my own and its not my proudest moment, but its the truth. Its not fair for me to have taken this backup role and be doing nothing now with it, but that is what happened. And I'm not going to think about dropping, given how many people have already been doing that and how much of a pain that is for town. I'm not the only inactive person here, but pointing fingers at others about the same issue solves nothing. I've been avoiding responding to your post because I don't really have a good answer. There really is no excuse. But that's the fact of the matter. I understand if there is a bit of distrust, but I'm here now, and while I can't promise I'll stay active, I'll contribute what I can now. I'm glad Brad was lynched and if he was the one with the most votes on the final day, yeah I would've thrown in my vote for him. Personally, I don't really fully understand the case against him, but hey, it was accurate and that is all that is important. I would've "bandwagon'ed" on, purely because I know that a lynch, even if it was a mis-lynch, would've been beneficial to town. At this point, I'd say we have mafia's back against the wall. There are three dead, and they've all been power roles. I'm on now and trying to help, so I'll throw in my two cents on some people. Connor Mackenzie - Trying hard. Can't tell if that is a good thing and he is a dedicated townie, or a mafia member trying to save his team. He's helpful, but sometimes I look at it as borderline "cheerleader" and we've all dealt with instances of mafia trying to do that in the past. There's not much I can really say to that or challenge him on, especially because if he is town he is being a great help. Looking at his voting history, he seems to always go with the popular vote. Given that has been against mafia three times, he's either doing a really good job blending or is a real townie. More than likely, townie. Felandria (Jono)- I still don't trust him. Others do. I get that he role claimed but I still am a bit distrusting over the time that passed during the first night phase and believe that he could've came up with the role claim idea and outing BRB with the rest of the mafia. I may just be being stubborn but I just have trouble buying his claim and that he burned through all his powers so quickly. Mr B Natural: Dolphan Again - I was proclaiming him a certain townie last day phase, but now that I thought about it, that isn't true. I do believe Yami investigated him and got innocent, but we still haven't found the godfather. Given the low odds of Yami picking the godfather when there were that many of us, I still think he is a townie but I no longer can say that he is a "100%" townie. Because that simply isn't true. Orange - Out of everyone left, Orange is the one that looks most like mafia to me. The only one who voted, but not for Brad, makes me think he was trying to start a different path/bandwagon against Magiconz with reasoning that I (being the one actually called out by Magiconz) even felt was weak. I don't have a great mafia read on many people in this game, so I'll be the first to say that this accusation is very non-committal. But the last day phase made me very suspicious of Orange, because I think the Magiconz vote may have been a desperation attempt to keep mafia alive. Given that Brad had to try to give a "mafia rally" before he died, I would guess that even they realize that his lynch was a major nail in their coffin. "The Fresh Prince" Magiconz - Keeps challenging me. I appreciate that, because if he can get me defensive he can get me involved. I need a kick in the ass and he is willing to provide it. Don't have a town/mafia read on him, but just wanted to state that. The Man They Call Asher - Only definite townie, and has been pretty much on the money so far. ALSO: @notoriousnd22 Can you please include a link to the first thread in the front post? Links to your different writeups for the start of each day phase would also be incredibly helpful, but perhaps too much to be asking for. So yeah, haven't been a great help to town and I can't promise that I will be in the future, but I'd say we're all a bit guilty of being inactive. Despite that, we're doing an amazing job (three straight non-town lynches!) and have mafia's back against the wall. We know that, they know that. Let's continue that success.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 28, 2013 22:33:56 GMT -5
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 28, 2013 22:59:30 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from, Spartan. Yes, it's possible that either I or Orange could be the Godfather here, and thus immune from investigation. And perhaps that is the case. I have no idea whether Orange is on the up and up or not. And all you have coming from me is my word.
But I do know that Yami mentioned the three of us for a reason. And up until this point I've been looking for anything I can to try and narrow our suspects. By concentrating our attention on a select few rather than putting everybody under the microscope at once I feel that we're doing a much better job at narrowing down our suspects. And while we've yet to nail all of them I feel that we're close to doing just that. And that was made easier with three names checked off for the moment.
But like I said, I have nothing to hide. My actions speak for themselves. And while I admit that I have a tendency to put my foot in my mouth at times, a curse of my impulsive nature, I feel I haven't really said anything in this game that I feel could be construed as scummy.
I've got my own list of suspects as well. Two names in particular are ringing some bells in my mind: Connor Mackenzie and Magizons being those two. I have no damning evidence in regards to either them right now so I admit this is mostly based off of a gut feeling. But that said I intend to look them over closely before the next vote. There's just something about them both that is making me take pause. And while I appreciate that both of them have been helpful with answering, it hasn't been enough to put my mind at ease.
That list of votes has been very enlightening thus far. It helped expose Brad for one, which puts us in better position without a janitor in the mix to muck things up. And I feel that combined with some thorough inspection of past posts will help us down the right path today.
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Post by TOO SWEET on May 28, 2013 23:05:41 GMT -5
Oh, he investigated Orange too? Well then, I'd say to disregard my theory. I'd put him as most likely town, with the off chance of being godfather.(same thing I believe for you)
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Post by Connor Mackenzie on May 29, 2013 7:27:57 GMT -5
To address the points of both MrBRulzOK and TOO SWEET, I like to think that my voting pattern has been pretty consistent as a townie. Not only that but if you look back I was one of the first to voice suspicions about Joker as well. As for the "cheerleading" with how quiet it had been lately I was just trying to get a spark going to start up some discussion since there really hadn't been much to go on since the start of the day (which is now somewhat remedied with us discussing things). I have been fairly open and tried to add to any discussions pertaining to voting and I'd like to think that my actions throughout the game have spoken for me. If there are still suspicions on my part I'll gladly answer any questions anyone has.
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Post by stinger on May 29, 2013 8:50:15 GMT -5
Again, sorry I haven't been active. I have been super swamped with homework since starting grad school classes. That's why I didn't get to vote during the last day phase.
However, looking at the voting patterns, Mr. B Natural seems the most suspicious. The only time he voted to lynch Mafia was on Day 1, when he was probably pretty sure a lynch would not happen. Once the train picked up steam against BRB, Mr. B did not cast a vote. He did vote to lynch Joker, but getting rid of the Serial Killer benefits Mafia as well as Town, plus he could have just been going along with a vote that he knew was not targeting a fellow Mafia member.
ConnorMackenzie and Magiconz are viable suspects, but their voting record is fairly consistent. (Could be piggybacking of course, but maybe not.) Right now, the smart money is on Mr. B in my book. If that turns out to be wrong, then we can certainly shift focus toward either Magiconz or Connor. For now, I'll FOS: Mr. B Natural.
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Post by Orange on May 29, 2013 13:42:03 GMT -5
Orange - Out of everyone left, Orange is the one that looks most like mafia to me. The only one who voted, but not for Brad, makes me think he was trying to start a different path/bandwagon against Magiconz with reasoning that I (being the one actually called out by Magiconz) even felt was weak. I don't have a great mafia read on many people in this game, so I'll be the first to say that this accusation is very non-committal. But the last day phase made me very suspicious of Orange, because I think the Magiconz vote may have been a desperation attempt to keep mafia alive. Given that Brad had to try to give a "mafia rally" before he died, I would guess that even they realize that his lynch was a major nail in their coffin. Alright, this part is confusing me. You say that my reasoning on Magiconz was weak, which is fine if that's your opinion. However, I'd HEAVILY disagree given the fact that I posted, literally, every single post that Magiconz had made up to that point in an attempt to put my case together. You may disagree with the outcome, but I don't think you can fairly call that weak. If I had quoted one post and said "there's Mafia, guys. Lynch him now", I can see that being weak, but when I used every single post to put together an opinion? I don't think one can call that weak. As far as my vote against Brad, I didn't want to vote for the same reason(s) that you felt in regards to Magiconz, and that's because I felt the case presented against Brad was fairly weak. I'll even quote as such since I honestly have nothing to hide here. Okay, after looking over AH's case for Brad, personally I don't feel it's one of the strongest cases that's ever been presented, but because I don't want a day phase to go by without a vote, I'll vote for Brad, as well. Vote: Big Bad BradHopefully we got the right guy, but I assume responsibility for throwing my vote in either way. That is my opinion and I firmly stand behind it. Yeah, Brad was Mafia and it's awesome we got scum, but I didn't feel the case presented was stronger, whereas I felt my case against Magiconz was a slightly better case. Nothing against AH there, but that was my opinion and I still feel that way. It wasn't that I was Mafia trying to keep Brad alive, I honestly didn't feel the case was anything special and didn't want to lynch a townie. That's the reason I put in my post "...but I assume responsibility for throwing in my vote either way" because I hate the "I'M ONLY DOING THIS BECAUSE YOU GUYS WANT THIS!" angle. That's BS. You assume an equal amount of responsibility for every lynch, and I was assuming my responsibility because I thought we were lynching a townie. Thankfully we were wrong, but it's a 50/50 game sometimes.
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Post by Orange on May 29, 2013 13:43:17 GMT -5
Oh, he investigated Orange too? Well then, I'd say to disregard my theory. I'd put him as most likely town, with the off chance of being godfather.(same thing I believe for you) I just read this post after your initial post. I'll still stand behind my post up there for obvious reasons, but I just wanted to make it aware that I saw this post, as well.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 29, 2013 16:09:58 GMT -5
I've been quite the busybody over the past few days and I just now noticed we are back into this thing. Anyway, I think it might be a good idea to review who the cop said was town and look over their posts if somehow he investigated the godfather and he came up not guilty. I wouldn't have been so sure about doing that this time yesterday but, I believe may be having this same problem in Avatar and it certainly makes me wonder if that could be the case here.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 30, 2013 15:39:48 GMT -5
Or, we could look at all 8 and determine a suspect out of that list instead of conveniently not looking at you, Brad. I'd add Jono to the town list, add I believe him to be the Jack of all Trades. so that leaves 7 names in my investigation Hawk Brad Magiconz Connor Spartan Produceman AH Let the interrogation commence This list of interrogations was compiled yesterday by Produceman. From the looks of things, it leaves out both B and Orange because Produce believed both to be town. I agreed with this until I learned during my time in the Avatar mafia game and by looking it up on the wiki that the godfather more often than not comes up innocent during an investigation. Knowing that, should we still treat both Orange and B as town or should we start interrogating them to see whether or not one of them might be the godfather? Is there a consensus on that? I know it sounds really weird of me to not fully go with the findings of the former town cop but what I learned about the godfather really changes how I look at that. I also know it sounds weird that I didn't know about that in all the mafia games that I've played but I honestly didn't know this stuff and it explains just why it's so hard to find the godfather. He's a ghost in these games and it's going to take some serious investigating and conversation to find him. We've taken out every major power role the mafia has, that's the only one left I feel. The only other mafia member left would be a goon of some sort but that's about it I think. Also, I would love for the series of questions we had the last day phase to continue and for new questions to be asked of everyone again today. I believe that helped us confirm Brad's alignment yesterday and I'm sure it can happen again. I believe we can use that to snuff the rest of the mafia out quick. It worked yesterday, it will work again today.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 31, 2013 15:33:45 GMT -5
I would be perfectly fine with being interrogated if people wish to ask me questions that'll put them at ease. Like I said I have nothing to hide here. I know that I'm in the town's best interests.
As for why I didn't vote for BRB on Day 2 but did so on Day 1, it's not like I wasn't planning to vote, but like with many of the lynches I was beaten to the punch. But I didn't want to make my decision in haste and wanted to contemplate it awhile longer before I placed my own. The thing about me is that I'm the sort of person who will give a guy the benefit of the doubt no matter how guilty they might look. Anything short of the person coming right out and saying they are Mafia is still not decisive evidence to me.
Likewise with Wolf. I said I was perfectly willing to place my vote on the guy, but again that ship sailed before I could climb on-board.
I was also one of the first people to bring Brad, a confirmed scum, into the light of suspicion. Now why, if I was scum, would I willingly give up a role like the Mafia Janitor? A role that no doubt has made things very difficult for the town? I could perhaps understand that logic were it someone like a mere goon, but it makes no sense to give up a role that useful. And I have my doubts that Brad only had two shots with his ability. I'm almost certain he had at least one more at his disposal which he may have planned to use last night.
I'll admit that my playstyle hasn't been as aggressive as I had said when things began, but I haven't exactly been sitting on the sidelines this entire time. I've been trying to give my piece on everything that I feel warrants it. I haven't responded to every point because others have said it far better than I could have myself. The best I could do is parrot their remarks, which is probably more suspicious as Magiconz found out early on.
I'm still interested to see what Asher has come up with in regards to me. Not because I'm inviting myself to be put under the microscope, but because I would love to clear my name so that we may focus on other more prominent characters of suspicion.
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