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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 9, 2013 14:53:04 GMT -5
It's only annoying when it makes the movie-watchers who haven't and won't read the comics argue that "that's the way the characters/story have always been".
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Post by Legion on May 9, 2013 15:05:20 GMT -5
No.
Anyone expecting a direct retelling of any comic story or series is always going to be disappointed.
However you should respect the characters - you don't fundamentally change a character to fit the story you want to tell, otherwise you may as well have just done that; if you don't want to use the characters from the comics then go away and do your own story or invent your own character.
The Iron Man twist, the relationship and potential race change for Johnny Storm in the upcoming FF reboot, the total lobotomy to most of the Bat cast in the Nolan films, all these thing may have made, or may make, great films, but the irritating thing, for a fan especially, is that it's as if someone is trying to say that the product and characters you enjoy aren't actually very good, or worse, are 'too much' for most people.
It's insulting and it's patronising, and in some directors and studio execs, comes off as arrogance. Not to mention non-fans who then start looking at the film as the 'proper' portrayal, or worse, who try to rubbish a fans opinion because they are the minority to the wider, uncaring and/or unknowing populace. On top of which, for some fans, expecting to see a character you know about and potentially enjoy and then getting some bastardisation is just going to break the moment and completely take you out of the film - which is what happened to me with IM3.
In summary:
Should the comics be followed to a T, no.
Should the characters themselves be respected and closely translated, yes, always.
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Post by austinariesfan88 on May 9, 2013 15:09:06 GMT -5
I don't mind small changes but I don't want them to stray to far from the original source.
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Post by Glitch on May 9, 2013 15:50:11 GMT -5
Changes should be made only because you need to simplify and condense the story into a 90 minute movie. I don't mind that since not everything can translate over into film version.
What pisses me off is when it's not done for these reasons. The two Punisher movies are examples of the right and wrong way. In Warzone it was fairly simple to show two separate ten second clips that explained he was a marine, and other of him holding his dying children. It as pretty damn effective . We didn't need the thomas jane treatment of making his origin an entire film, and making him an fbi agent. We came to see the Punisher shoot people, not to mope around 90 minutes.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 9, 2013 20:29:10 GMT -5
It's only annoying when it makes the movie-watchers who haven't and won't read the comics argue that "that's the way the characters/story have always been". man it was so annoying explaining to people why Green Lantern wasn't black in the movie. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 9, 2013 20:31:06 GMT -5
Changes should be made only because you need to simplify and condense the story into a 90 minute movie. I don't mind that since not everything can translate over into film version. What pisses me off is when it's not done for these reasons. The two Punisher movies are examples of the right and wrong way. In Warzone it was fairly simple to show two separate ten second clips that explained he was a marine, and other of him holding his dying children. It as pretty damn effective . We didn't need the thomas jane treatment of making his origin an entire film, and making him an fbi agent. We came to see the Punisher shoot people, not to mope around 90 minutes. to be fair it was otherwise a fairly faithful adaptation of the amazing "Welcome Back Frank" by Garth Ennis. |
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Post by austinariesfan88 on May 9, 2013 22:06:43 GMT -5
It's only annoying when it makes the movie-watchers who haven't and won't read the comics argue that "that's the way the characters/story have always been". man it was so annoying explaining to people why Green Lantern wasn't black in the movie. |
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Post by austinariesfan88 on May 9, 2013 22:07:41 GMT -5
It's only annoying when it makes the movie-watchers who haven't and won't read the comics argue that "that's the way the characters/story have always been". man it was so annoying explaining to people why Green Lantern wasn't black in the movie. Ugh you're telling me, I had the same exact discussion in Gamestop. |
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Post by Jiren on May 10, 2013 6:47:49 GMT -5
No. Anyone expecting a direct retelling of any comic story or series is always going to be disappointed. However you should respect the characters - you don't fundamentally change a character to fit the story you want to tell, otherwise you may as well have just done that; if you don't want to use the characters from the comics then go away and do your own story or invent your own character. The Iron Man twist, the relationship and potential race change for Johnny Storm in the upcoming FF reboot, the total lobotomy to most of the Bat cast in the Nolan films, all these thing may have made, or may make, great films, but the irritating thing, for a fan especially, is that it's as if someone is trying to say that the product and characters you enjoy aren't actually very good, or worse, are 'too much' for most people. It's insulting and it's patronising, and in some directors and studio execs, comes off as arrogance. Not to mention non-fans who then start looking at the film as the 'proper' portrayal, or worse, who try to rubbish a fans opinion because they are the minority to the wider, uncaring and/or unknowing populace. On top of which, for some fans, expecting to see a character you know about and potentially enjoy and then getting some bastardisation is just going to break the moment and completely take you out of the film - which is what happened to me with IM3. In summary: Should the comics be followed to a T, no. Should the characters themselves be respected and closely translated, yes, always. I agree with this |
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Post by Juice on May 10, 2013 7:07:18 GMT -5
Changes should be made only because you need to simplify and condense the story into a 90 minute movie. I don't mind that since not everything can translate over into film version. What pisses me off is when it's not done for these reasons. The two Punisher movies are examples of the right and wrong way. In Warzone it was fairly simple to show two separate ten second clips that explained he was a marine, and other of him holding his dying children. It as pretty damn effective . We didn't need the thomas jane treatment of making his origin an entire film, and making him an fbi agent. We came to see the Punisher shoot people, not to mope around 90 minutes. I loved all 3 Punisher movies. And it is nice to finally see someone say something nice about warzone. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 8:42:59 GMT -5
As long as they get basic plot elements that define the characters right, I'm usually fine.
If they introduce stuff to flesh out the character better, or cast certain characters differently to fit them into the story in a more logical/updated way.....I can live with that, sure.
If it's clear they don't understand the character(s), or want to change basic character details to benefit their own story, then **** them.
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Post by The OP on May 10, 2013 8:49:49 GMT -5
I agree with anybody saying that there are times when it's a good idea to make changes. I think perhaps the best example of this, and possibly the greatest comic book to film adaption ever done in my opinion, is Dick Tracy. In the comic the villain would be somebody like Itchy or Flattop, a villain with some very distinctive trait bossing around a gang of generic hoods. By putting one of the villains in charge and making the rest the underlings we got to see a good sampling of Tracy's more memorable villains instead of just one or two interesting ones and a lot of Joe Schmos.
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Post by Glitch on May 10, 2013 17:28:51 GMT -5
Changes should be made only because you need to simplify and condense the story into a 90 minute movie. I don't mind that since not everything can translate over into film version. What pisses me off is when it's not done for these reasons. The two Punisher movies are examples of the right and wrong way. In Warzone it was fairly simple to show two separate ten second clips that explained he was a marine, and other of him holding his dying children. It as pretty damn effective . We didn't need the thomas jane treatment of making his origin an entire film, and making him an fbi agent. We came to see the Punisher shoot people, not to mope around 90 minutes. I loved all 3 Punisher movies. And it is nice to finally see someone say something nice about warzone.Really? I could swear it's usually more 50/50 when it comes to people talking about the two movies(Jane and Stevenson). Maybe it's more skewed here in FAN. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 10, 2013 17:40:26 GMT -5
I don't particularly need a comic book adaptation to be a word-for-word reconstruction of the comic, just so long as the heart of the character or the heart of the story is maintained. Like in Watchmen: {Spoiler}Yeah, the comic book has the giant squid/alien thing, and the movie just has energy signatures that could be blamed on Dr. Manhattan. The point that Veidt has kinda gone insane and kills millions of people to divert the world from the threat of nuclear war is still intact, so I'm okay with the change. The "how" is different, but the "why" is intact, y'know? this is pretty much my answer... as long as it still has the spirit of the comic book even if how it happens isn't the same... for an example of a bad change that makes a dramatic disconnect from the source material see X-men Origins version of Deadpool, where they took a character whose main defining charactestic being a sarcastic asshole... and made him a mute... among other things. This was made especially bad because the Wade Wilson scene that Reynolds played was pretty much spot on characterization... On the other hand sticking overly faithful to the source material is more or less what they did with the Green Lantern movie... where they felt the need to hit EVERYTHING on the Parallax story (you know minus Hal going crazy... though... I with all the stuff they jammed into it I wouldn't have put it past them to try.) |
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Post by Dat Dude on May 10, 2013 17:44:54 GMT -5
The Dark Knight series was the perfect balance. It borrowed heavily from comics but applications of the many stories referenced with the original screen play was brilliant.
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Post by Juice on May 10, 2013 20:44:54 GMT -5
I loved all 3 Punisher movies. And it is nice to finally see someone say something nice about warzone.Really? I could swear it's usually more 50/50 when it comes to people talking about the two movies(Jane and Stevenson). Maybe it's more skewed here in FAN. In general I only know of one other person who liked it. I am glad to finally see we are not the only ones. I was there opening night for that movie. But I love all things Punisher. Even the Dolph movie. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 10, 2013 20:54:06 GMT -5
I think it depends on the character and the comic being adapted. For someone like Superman, who's been around forever and a half and has already been reinterpreted a hundred different ways, then yeah, have fun with him, do something different. You can only see the Christopher Reeves version so many times before you just have to scream for something new.
On the other hand if you're adapting a very specific story with very specific characters, such as something like The Watchmen, then yeah, you want to stay as close to the source material as possible.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 10, 2013 23:22:35 GMT -5
The Dark Knight series was the perfect balance. It borrowed heavily from comics but applications of the many stories referenced with the original screen play was brilliant. I disagree. I'm cool with the changes to make it "realistic", but they threw out Batman's entire personality and created their own version of Bruce Wayne/Batman. He was presented as a mostly normal guy who just wanted to quickly fix Gotham and get on with being a regular Joe. That's not even close to who the Batman character is or has ever been. Batman is a guy so obsessed with his past and his promise to stamp the criminal element out of Gotham that he completely loses himself in it, to the point that there is no real Bruce Wayne. Only Batman and the phony Bruce Wayne he plays in public. Even the Adam West Batman was presented that way for crying out loud. |
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Post by agent817 on May 11, 2013 0:46:09 GMT -5
It's only annoying when it makes the movie-watchers who haven't and won't read the comics argue that "that's the way the characters/story have always been". That is one thing that I do not ever understand. It's funny how superhero movies make some serious dough, yet a lot of people who watch them won't read the comics. I remember a female friend and I had a discussion a while back about how she likes these comic-based movies but she doesn't want to read the comics. I never questioned her for her disinterest in reading them, but my theory is that she might feel that comic books are "beneath" her, being that she would rather read an actual book with just pages of text. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 11, 2013 9:39:58 GMT -5
It's only annoying when it makes the movie-watchers who haven't and won't read the comics argue that "that's the way the characters/story have always been". That is one thing that I do not ever understand. It's funny how superhero movies make some serious dough, yet a lot of people who watch them won't read the comics. I remember a female friend and I had a discussion a while back about how she likes these comic-based movies but she doesn't want to read the comics. I never questioned her for her disinterest in reading them, but my theory is that she might feel that comic books are "beneath" her, being that she would rather read an actual book with just pages of text. in my experience that mindset is finally starting to go away because people realize their concept of what a comic book is (goofy silver age camp superhero stories) is largely outdated. and movies being made based on more mature materials is a big part of that. |
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