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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 14:43:20 GMT -5
Not surprising that Torts is gone. I suspect Brad Richards is going to be bought out during the offseason as well. I don't think he will since I'm sure some other team will be stupid to overpay him and he's one of the few rangers that can score goals Edit: plus if Richards is bought out then Sather would kiss his job goodbye because he would be the third Sather signed guy bought out in two seasons. The other two being Redden and Gomez
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 29, 2013 14:59:57 GMT -5
Letting Gaborik go was a real genuis idea, too.
That organization is in need of some changes
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Post by BR329 on May 29, 2013 15:43:23 GMT -5
Not surprising that Torts is gone. I suspect Brad Richards is going to be bought out during the offseason as well. I don't think he will since I'm sure some other team will be stupid to overpay him and he's one of the few rangers that can score goals Edit: plus if Richards is bought out then Sather would kiss his job goodbye because he would be the third Sather signed guy bought out in two seasons. The other two being Redden and Gomez Honestly he probably should be gone. He's more of a problem than Torts IMO
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Post by darbus alan on May 29, 2013 15:54:17 GMT -5
I think Sather's the bigger problems for the Rags, really.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 16:03:10 GMT -5
I think Sather's the bigger problems for the Rags, really. Usually firing coaches is never the solution. It's almost always management need a fall guy to save their asses. Tambellini went through 4 coaches in 5 years (even though I agree Quinn and Renney needed to go and MacTavish overstayed his welcome) before getting fired. Like AV didn't deserve to get fired when it's Mike Gillis who has been making boneheaded trades like Hodgson for Kassian or letting Grabner go in waivers or not retaining Salo or the Luongo fiasco.
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Post by triplethreatmark on May 29, 2013 16:22:27 GMT -5
I hope Edmonton tries to get Torts. If we are going to continue to miss the playoffs then I want to it to be fun with Torts blowing a gasket almost every game. Anyways its Sather that really needs to from the Rangers as well with Gillis for the Canucks. Tortorella might actually be good for the Oilers. He's the taskmaster and defense-oriented coach the Oilers need to take a lot of their young "SCORE ALL THE GOALS!!!!!!!!!" forwards and make them into into responsible, hard-working players in their own end.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 16:34:17 GMT -5
I hope Edmonton tries to get Torts. If we are going to continue to miss the playoffs then I want to it to be fun with Torts blowing a gasket almost every game. Anyways its Sather that really needs to from the Rangers as well with Gillis for the Canucks. Tortorella might actually be good for the Oilers. He's the taskmaster and defense-oriented coach the Oilers need to take a lot of their young "SCORE ALL THE GOALS!!!!!!!!!" forwards and make them into into responsible, hard-working players in their own end. Plus Edmonton has had always soft coaches except for Quinn and MacTavish in his final years. Plus they were two completely different teams at the time. Like the former was a team filled with many disgruntled broken down veterans and now they are one of the youngest teams. Hard ass coaches scarying young players is usually a good thing. Only problem I may have is many of the Oilers may lose faith in the organization if they get another coach. Like Gagner who has been playing since 18 and will turn 24 next season has already played for 4 coaches in six seasons and I'm not sure how he would feel playing for 5 coaches in seven seasons.
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Post by triplethreatmark on May 29, 2013 16:45:49 GMT -5
Tortorella might actually be good for the Oilers. He's the taskmaster and defense-oriented coach the Oilers need to take a lot of their young "SCORE ALL THE GOALS!!!!!!!!!" forwards and make them into into responsible, hard-working players in their own end. Plus Edmonton has had always soft coaches except for Quinn and MacTavish in his final years. Plus they were two completely different teams at the time. Like the former was a team filled with many disgruntled broken down veterans and now they are one of the youngest teams. Hard ass coaches scarying young players is usually a good thing. Only problem I may have is many of the Oilers may lose faith in the organization if they get another coach. Like Gagner who has been playing since 18 and will turn 24 next season has already played for 4 coaches in six seasons and I'm not sure how he would feel playing for 5 coaches in seven seasons. If they do sign Tortorella, he can't stay there for more than 3 or 4 years. Get them disciplined and then hand the reigns over to someone else. That is, unless, he gets a Tampa Bay situation where the star players just become great at both ends of the ice, then I suppose he could stay longer.
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Post by Unocal 76 on May 29, 2013 17:08:30 GMT -5
I'm picking the Blackhawks, BUT I am not discounting Detroit's chances.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 17:31:49 GMT -5
Plus Edmonton has had always soft coaches except for Quinn and MacTavish in his final years. Plus they were two completely different teams at the time. Like the former was a team filled with many disgruntled broken down veterans and now they are one of the youngest teams. Hard ass coaches scarying young players is usually a good thing. Only problem I may have is many of the Oilers may lose faith in the organization if they get another coach. Like Gagner who has been playing since 18 and will turn 24 next season has already played for 4 coaches in six seasons and I'm not sure how he would feel playing for 5 coaches in seven seasons. If they do sign Tortorella, he can't stay there for more than 3 or 4 years. Get them disciplined and then hand the reigns over to someone else. That is, unless, he gets a Tampa Bay situation where the star players just become great at both ends of the ice, then I suppose he could stay longer. Yeah hard ass coaches always have short shelf lives. They always have a few great seasons making everyone work hard for them but whenever the inevitable slump happens in 3-4 years, players get sick of them and lose confidence in them. That's why Trotz or Ruff had long shelf lives over Hitchcock or Keenan. They are great and stern but they are reasonable and fair and don't throw the team under the bus to the media.
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Post by triplethreatmark on May 29, 2013 17:37:07 GMT -5
If they do sign Tortorella, he can't stay there for more than 3 or 4 years. Get them disciplined and then hand the reigns over to someone else. That is, unless, he gets a Tampa Bay situation where the star players just become great at both ends of the ice, then I suppose he could stay longer. Yeah hard ass coaches always have short shelf lives. They always have a few great seasons making everyone work hard for them but whenever the inevitable slump happens in 3-4 years, players get sick of them and lose confidence in them. That's why Trotz or Ruff had long shelf lives over Hitchcock or Keenan. They are great and stern but they are reasonable and fair and don't throw the team under the bus to the media. That's what happened in LA too. Granted, Terry Murray wasn't a hard ass, but he was very disciplined. He always emphasized defense and when the Kings had a one goal lead, he always told them to quit playing offense and just defend until the end of the game. This works well when teams are learning how to be a good defensive team, but once you got it down, you kinda have to have a balance between scoring and playing defense. This sort of attitude is what got him fired. Luckily for us, Darryl Sutter is a good medium where he understands that everybody must play defense. However, you can't do it at the expense of scoring goals.
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Post by Wolfpack Bitch on May 29, 2013 19:40:32 GMT -5
Wish I'd have known about Torts earlier this morning. Could have gotten a reaction from one of his players. My son got to skate with JT Miller today (and probably tomorrow as well) Very nice guy. He and his brother signed my son's stick and were messing with him on the ice.
As far as disciplinary coaches having short coaching lives... see Michel Therrien. As for coaching changes not being a good fix, again see Michel Therrien (both leaving Pgh and going to Montreal). Pens hated him after a while, but he did wonders with Montreal.
edited because I can't spell for sh!t
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Post by darbus alan on May 29, 2013 20:09:49 GMT -5
That's really cool that your sun got to skate with JT Miller.
Also Chicago strikes first in the second period. 1-0 Blackhawks.
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Post by thetower52 on May 29, 2013 20:27:31 GMT -5
come on red wings
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Post by Unocal 76 on May 29, 2013 20:58:35 GMT -5
Blackhawks can see the finish line, but Detroit is the type of team that will go down swinging.
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Post by thetower52 on May 29, 2013 21:03:47 GMT -5
YES YES YES RED WINGS SCORE!!
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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on May 29, 2013 21:37:17 GMT -5
Hawks just got hosed.
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Post by darbus alan on May 29, 2013 21:38:41 GMT -5
Blackhawks' go-ahead goal waved off because off-setting minors happened before the goal was scored. "Bullshit" chant in Chicago, but it was the right call. Just really shitty timing for Chicago.
4 on 4 hockey for the rest of regulation.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2013 21:40:22 GMT -5
Hawks got screwed. OT is going to be intense if it gets there. I can't wait for the shitstorm if Chicago loses
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Post by darbus alan on May 29, 2013 21:41:12 GMT -5
And we're going to OT. First 20 or so seconds will be 4-on-4.
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