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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 9, 2013 20:34:49 GMT -5
Surprised that nobody's said Mr Freeze yet. His only true reason for being a villain is to get enough money to fund his research and bring his wife back. The thread is about villain's that were "too sympathetic". Mr. Freeze was just sympathetic enough to tell his story correctly. Going through the early season's of Smallville recently, I'm starting to build up a lot of sympathy for Lex Luthor. He hasn't done his full heel turn yet, but I can see why he would. He seems like a genuinely good guy early on that just has too many things going on in his life that make no sense and are slowly driving him insane. And nobody is really stepping up to try to help him beyond saying "be cool and don't let it get to you". No wonder he starts wanting to kill people. |
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Post by stealthamo on Jun 9, 2013 21:14:15 GMT -5
I totally agree. How the hell am I supposed to root against the guy after what happens to his wife and child? If anything, I was against Jamie Foxx. I rooted for Butler at first, but then he started to kill people who didn't have anything to do with his family's killers. And then prosecutor Jamie Foxx in turn says "f*** [Butler's] civil rights", leaving me not really caring who wins. I have to agree with this. Initially, it's interesting to see Butler get his revenge. But when he starts going after people only somewhat (at best) connected to what happened with him, it makes me lose any chance of me liking the guy. And Jamie Foxx was just an asshole throughout the course of the movie, so I wasn't going to root for him either. So no matter what, I wasn't going to give a shit about who won. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 10, 2013 3:19:22 GMT -5
Scar I have no sympathy for Mufasa. He probably killed loads of cubs when he took over Pride Rock. That's usually how lions gain control of a pride. Scar was just doing what comes naturally to lions. I also doubt he was responsible for the conditions that occured after his rule began. Africa suffers from droughts all the time. Nothing he could do about it. If anything he should be given credit for bringing peace to lions and hyenas, since they are traditi onally enemies. Wait, so you have no sympathy for Mufasa based on something that didn't even happen in the movie? No, I have no sympathy for Mufasa based on my understanding of lions, hyenas and Africa's climate. |
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Post by Totorob101 on Jun 10, 2013 4:11:22 GMT -5
I agree with Lex Luthor in Smallville, he seemed to really want to be good pals with Clark but Clark of course wouldnt tell him his secret and would often lie to him, not to mention Johnathan Kent always giving him a hard time due to who his father is, despite Lex trying to help the Kents, not to mention his own father Lionel Luthor treating him like dirt for years, and with Oliver Queen and his pals bullying him in during his school life plus all the women he dates seem to betray him....you can see why he turns evil when everyone around him lies, betrays and treats him like crap.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 10, 2013 7:30:12 GMT -5
I rooted for Butler at first, but then he started to kill people who didn't have anything to do with his family's killers. And then prosecutor Jamie Foxx in turn says "f*** [Butler's] civil rights", leaving me not really caring who wins. I have to agree with this. Initially, it's interesting to see Butler get his revenge. But when he starts going after people only somewhat (at best) connected to what happened with him, it makes me lose any chance of me liking the guy. And Jamie Foxx was just an asshole throughout the course of the movie, so I wasn't going to root for him either. So no matter what, I wasn't going to give a shit about who won. The judge being killed by her cell phone in that movie had me pissing myself laughing. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 10, 2013 9:11:39 GMT -5
Roy Batty from Blade Runner. He just wanted to live.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 10, 2013 12:21:00 GMT -5
Wait, so you have no sympathy for Mufasa based on something that didn't even happen in the movie? No, I have no sympathy for Mufasa based on my understanding of lions, hyenas and Africa's climate. You can't really attach realism to The Lion King since it's a movie where a Lion becomes best friends with a Meerkat and a Water hog. It's supposed to be Hamlet with animals. Plus it seems to be accepted that Mufasa was king out of respect and nothing more. All the animals at the start are bowing to him. |
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Post by Malcolm on Jun 10, 2013 12:50:26 GMT -5
No, I have no sympathy for Mufasa based on my understanding of lions, hyenas and Africa's climate. You can't really attach realism to The Lion King since it's a movie where a Lion becomes best friends with a Meerkat and a Water hog. It's supposed to be Hamlet with animals. Plus it seems to be accepted that Mufasa was king out of respect and nothing more. All the animals at the start are bowing to him. You shouldn't really try to attach realism to any animated film, otherwise you can't look at Finding Nemo the same way ever again. |
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Post by g1megatronfan on Jun 10, 2013 13:21:27 GMT -5
I always thought Jason was more of a sympathetic villain. He was a mentally challenged kid who basically was assumed drowned and lived out his young life in the wilderness. He witnessed the only person in the world who cared about him get murdered in self defense, but in his mind didn't see it that way which sets up the rest of the series.
Some of the films (part 2) kind of hit on this. He's not totally evil like Freddy Krueger who knows what he's doing and enjoys torturing his victims, but more like someone who doesn't know any better or just running on instinct in many ways. Speaking of Freddy...he could be mildly sympathetic due to it not being his fault he's the way he is, but he clearly has a better understanding of what he's doing than Jason does.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 10, 2013 13:33:57 GMT -5
Harvey Dent/ Two Face in the Dark Knight. Doc Ock in Spider Man 2 Have you ever watched Batman: The Animated Series or read any of the major Two-Face stories in Batman comics? He's supposed to be sympathetic. He's not an awful person doing awful things that they expect you to feel bad for. He's a good person who gets torn apart until he loses his sanity. That is the character. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 10, 2013 13:45:28 GMT -5
You can't really attach realism to The Lion King since it's a movie where a Lion becomes best friends with a Meerkat and a Water hog. It's supposed to be Hamlet with animals. Plus it seems to be accepted that Mufasa was king out of respect and nothing more. All the animals at the start are bowing to him. You shouldn't really try to attach realism to any animated film, otherwise you can't look at Finding Nemo the same way ever again. I haven't seen it, but if it contains biological inconsistencies, I'll be angry, because I do know a little bit about clownfish too. |
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jun 25, 2013 4:10:54 GMT -5
The other universe Walter Bishop (I refuse to call him Walternate like the show did because it sounds so f***ing stupid) in Fringe.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 25, 2013 7:35:43 GMT -5
You shouldn't really try to attach realism to any animated film, otherwise you can't look at Finding Nemo the same way ever again. I haven't seen it, but if it contains biological inconsistencies, I'll be angry, because I do know a little bit about clownfish too. As far from there being friendships among animals that don't happen in nature, it doesn't span enough time to really have the more disturbing elements of clownfish biology present. |
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