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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 18, 2013 9:08:48 GMT -5
We're grasping at YouTube views straws to justify Brooke? Cmon now.
The Hulk and Bisch argument can at least be rationalized (though again, how long are we gonna cling to a one week ratings bump over three years ago?) given their wrestling pasts; it's a demonstrably weak one, but it's at least an argument.
Using YTube views and a show that hasn't aired in half a decade to try and say that someone who is objectively terrible in just about every facet of what she does on-screen just seems, well, silly. If her daddy wasn't who he is, she'd never have been hired in the first place.
One can easily say "well the releases aren't huge losses." That's valid and defensible, but trotting out Brooke with YTube views and Hogan Knows Best and trying to claim that justifies keeping her around is odd. I suppose one could say "well you can't prove by the numbers that people aren't tuning in cuz they know Brooke." Fair nuff, but no one can offer up any evidence she does.
Certainly she, Garrett, Eric, or Hulk haven't brought in anyone new; at least that's stuck around.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Jul 18, 2013 9:21:34 GMT -5
We're grasping at YouTube views straws to justify Brooke? Cmon now. The Hulk and Bisch argument can at least be rationalized (though again, how long are we gonna cling to a one week ratings bump over three years ago?) given their wrestling pasts; it's a demonstrably weak one, but it's at least an argument. Using YTube views and a show that hasn't aired in half a decade to try and say that someone who is objectively terrible in just about every facet of what she does on-screen just seems, well, silly. If her daddy wasn't who he is, she'd never have been hired in the first place. One can easily say "well the releases aren't huge losses." That's valid and defensible, but trotting out Brooke with YTube views and Hogan Knows Best and trying to claim that justifies keeping her around is odd. I suppose one could say "well you can't prove by the numbers that people aren't tuning in cuz they know Brooke." Fair nuff, but no one can offer up any evidence she does. Certainly she, Garrett, Eric, or Hulk haven't brought in anyone new; at least that's stuck around. Yeah, but...indy guys are lame because they don't have YouTube views. Or something. People care about Brooke Hogan a bunch you guys, and she totally stands on her own merits as a performer.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 18, 2013 9:21:53 GMT -5
I do find it funny people say Garrett got a push when his biggest match outside of War Games (where he got his ass kicked until pinning his dad) was a match with Gunner. Yes, Hulk hyped him up. But Hulk has also hyped up guys like Joey Ryan, Matt Morgan, and Generation Me on Impact as well.
And I like Tara, but she wasn't doing much. If they keep Robbie E and Jesse together, Robbie is entertaining enough for the both of them.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jul 18, 2013 9:23:58 GMT -5
If I can be incredibly shallow for a moment: I, for one, is happy to se her go, because that means she pointing her ass in our direction! Eh? Eh! Noone? *sigh* Fare thee well, Tara. Fare thee well.
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Post by The Peoples Elbow on Jul 18, 2013 9:47:56 GMT -5
So the Knockouts division is Mickie, Velvet, Gail, Taryn, and Tessmacher (whenever she comes back) now? ODB as well. He said knockouts.
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Post by SOR on Jul 18, 2013 10:11:38 GMT -5
And where is that audience Brooke brings since she got "crossover appeal"? People who aren't wrestling fans know her as a failed pop singer and having a borderline creepy relationship with dad. She's a D-Lister who never even flirted being a mainstream star. Seriously overestimating her value. Eric is like Fine Young Cannibals; a couple of huge hits but no lasting power. You bring up him beating WWF for while but not mention the dramatic free-fall. He does bring value but it's mostly rehashing things that already failed before and fail again. Because there are plenty of wrestlers who are better and willing work for cheap. Garett is a nepotism hire. If there was someone who should had been sent to OVW, it's him. 1. Who knows the audience? Honestly I can sit here all day with you and like minded people with you all saying "TNA HAS HAD THE SAME FAN BASE FOR ALL 11 YEARS OF IT'S EXISTENCE" whilst I respond with "BUT WE DONT KNOW THAT FOR SURE PEOPLE COULD OF BEEN BROUGHT IN BY HULK!" Honestly, Brooke MAY of brought people in. I don't have evidence she did but you don't have evidence she didn't. It's a moot point I would guess that TNA would know these things though and the fact they keep her around probably means something. 2. Eric's dramatic fall? He had one bad half year in WCW, got fired and then did another 4 or 5 months with Russo. You're going to say 1 bad year total replaces 4-5 years of previous good work he did in WCW? C'mon, this screams of biasedness because you dislike Eric. Nothing more. Again though, we both don't know what Eric actually comes up with in TNA. He could of been behind some great story line ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a big hand in the Aces and Eights story line which EVERYONE loved for months. 3. Again, We don't know why Garrett was hired but I doubt TNA would hire someone they felt was bad or unmarketable just to keep Eric Bischoff happy. We're grasping at YouTube views straws to justify Brooke? Cmon now. The Hulk and Bisch argument can at least be rationalized (though again, how long are we gonna cling to a one week ratings bump over three years ago?) given their wrestling pasts; it's a demonstrably weak one, but it's at least an argument. Using YTube views and a show that hasn't aired in half a decade to try and say that someone who is objectively terrible in just about every facet of what she does on-screen just seems, well, silly. If her daddy wasn't who he is, she'd never have been hired in the first place. One can easily say "well the releases aren't huge losses." That's valid and defensible, but trotting out Brooke with YTube views and Hogan Knows Best and trying to claim that justifies keeping her around is odd. I suppose one could say "well you can't prove by the numbers that people aren't tuning in cuz they know Brooke." Fair nuff, but no one can offer up any evidence she does. Certainly she, Garrett, Eric, or Hulk haven't brought in anyone new; at least that's stuck around. 1. I said she had cross over appeal. The YouTube views were just a point I made. For comparison sake a 2 year old video from TNA of AJ/Daniels/Joe only has 18,000 views. Brookes video which is 2-3 years old has 600,000. That proves the woman has cross over appeal. The question is whether that appeal is beneficial to TNA for what they're paying. None of us know though. 2. Television ratings are not everything. I've said this a thousand times on this board it's 2013 and people have multiple ways to watch. Some people live stream the show, Some people watch on TV, Some people YouTube it. The people who throw around the 1.2 number don't ever take into account international ratings either. I believe here in Australia the ratings for RAW and Impact are relatively close week to week. 3. With all due respect, how do we know who a majority of TNA tune in for? If you check TNA's YouTube page week to week the video with the most number of views is always Hulk Hogan. How can you say Hulk hasn't brought anyone in when from an online perspective he's the biggest draw of the show? How can you fault Hogan and Bischoff when the crowd attendances have gone up and up and up? It's okay to bring up the ratings but lets be honest about how much TNA has grown in the last 3 and a half years and give Hulk, Bischoff and everyone else a bit of credit for that. We're grasping at YouTube views straws to justify Brooke? Cmon now. The Hulk and Bisch argument can at least be rationalized (though again, how long are we gonna cling to a one week ratings bump over three years ago?) given their wrestling pasts; it's a demonstrably weak one, but it's at least an argument. Using YTube views and a show that hasn't aired in half a decade to try and say that someone who is objectively terrible in just about every facet of what she does on-screen just seems, well, silly. If her daddy wasn't who he is, she'd never have been hired in the first place. One can easily say "well the releases aren't huge losses." That's valid and defensible, but trotting out Brooke with YTube views and Hogan Knows Best and trying to claim that justifies keeping her around is odd. I suppose one could say "well you can't prove by the numbers that people aren't tuning in cuz they know Brooke." Fair nuff, but no one can offer up any evidence she does. Certainly she, Garrett, Eric, or Hulk haven't brought in anyone new; at least that's stuck around. Yeah, but...indy guys are lame because they don't have YouTube views. Or something. People care about Brooke Hogan a bunch you guys, and she totally stands on her own merits as a performer. You're twisting what I say to try and benefit your argument. I have never ever said indy guys are lame. My argument is simply Hulk, Sting, Jeff and Kurt add something to the show and are needed for TNA to draw week to week. I think the guys from the indies add a lot to the show also and TNA would really struggle without guys like Aries, Roode, Joe, AJ etc A lot of wrestling fans don't seem to see the bigger picture though. They want a night of 5 star matches no matter the cost or reason. This leads to the Hogan hate because he doesn't do that. Again, The Hulk Hogan business is incredibly lucrative for TNA they would be making a ton of money off him. I don't understand why people bring up ratings when Hulk is clearly making money for TNA. I do find it funny people say Garrett got a push when his biggest match outside of War Games (where he got his ass kicked until pinning his dad) was a match with Gunner. Yes, Hulk hyped him up. But Hulk has also hyped up guys like Joey Ryan, Matt Morgan, and Generation Me on Impact as well. And I like Tara, but she wasn't doing much. If they keep Robbie E and Jesse together, Robbie is entertaining enough for the both of them. Exactly, David Flair received a bigger push how come people never bring that up? Erik Watts also says hello.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 10:40:14 GMT -5
Hulk's making money for TNA? They can't even afford to pay their talents on time.
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Post by SOR on Jul 18, 2013 10:51:14 GMT -5
Hulk's making money for TNA? They can't even afford to pay their talents on time. That's newz. The story has changed twice already. First it was the talent hadn't been paid for 6 weeks then it was 3. Which one is it? And yes, Hulk makes TNA money. Every time Hulk makes an indy appearance, a public appearance or endorses a product TNA as the contract owner and "Agent" takes a percentage. I assume with Hulk it'd be 10% but if Hulk makes 10 grand for coming to an indy show and cutting a promo TNA is getting a thousand dollars for nothing except brokering the deal. If Hulk goes and makes an appearance on a TV Show and gets paid for it, TNA gets cut in. They get cut in on everything that the Hulk Hogan brand has been involved in since 2010. That's why the deal is so lucrative. Apart from that you have the live crowds that come to see him, his merchandise that sells well, money from when he signs autographs at TNA Fanfests. It all adds up quickly. People can say what they want about the ratings but Hulk is a license to print money for TNA.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jul 18, 2013 13:59:19 GMT -5
And where is that audience Brooke brings since she got "crossover appeal"? People who aren't wrestling fans know her as a failed pop singer and having a borderline creepy relationship with dad. She's a D-Lister who never even flirted being a mainstream star. Seriously overestimating her value. Eric is like Fine Young Cannibals; a couple of huge hits but no lasting power. You bring up him beating WWF for while but not mention the dramatic free-fall. He does bring value but it's mostly rehashing things that already failed before and fail again. Because there are plenty of wrestlers who are better and willing work for cheap. Garett is a nepotism hire. If there was someone who should had been sent to OVW, it's him. 1. Who knows the audience? Honestly I can sit here all day with you and like minded people with you all saying "TNA HAS HAD THE SAME FAN BASE FOR ALL 11 YEARS OF IT'S EXISTENCE" whilst I respond with "BUT WE DONT KNOW THAT FOR SURE PEOPLE COULD OF BEEN BROUGHT IN BY HULK!" Honestly, Brooke MAY of brought people in. I don't have evidence she did but you don't have evidence she didn't. It's a moot point I would guess that TNA would know these things though and the fact they keep her around probably means something. 2. Eric's dramatic fall? He had one bad half year in WCW, got fired and then did another 4 or 5 months with Russo. You're going to say 1 bad year total replaces 4-5 years of previous good work he did in WCW? C'mon, this screams of biasedness because you dislike Eric. Nothing more. Again though, we both don't know what Eric actually comes up with in TNA. He could of been behind some great story line ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a big hand in the Aces and Eights story line which EVERYONE loved for months. 3. Again, We don't know why Garrett was hired but I doubt TNA would hire someone they felt was bad or unmarketable just to keep Eric Bischoff happy. 1. "You don't have any evidence that she brought anyone in, but we don't have any evidence that she didn't." I'm sorry, but that's a horrible argument. How exactly is "we don't know if she brings anyone in or doesn't" a sound argument? Me personally, I'd err on the side of she doesn't. One, exactly how many people do you think are buying tickets or PPV's because of her? That's a very good question, I'd say, because even if television ratings are to be discounted because of new media, if she's not bringing any money through shows or merch sales, what purpose does she serve? Even if she has high YouTube views, her show was on MTV! What's to say kids haven't looked up her stuff from that reality show or her music video and either come across her TNA stuff and written anything not her talking or whatever as "that fake 'rasslin' shit" and tuned out or not cared to begin with? 2. Two things. First, If he had such great work in WCW, WCW would have never gone out of business. Let's remember, they didn't exactly go bankrupt because Ted Turner ran out of money, they went bankrupt because Bischoff and Russo's asinine storylines just couldn't keep people interested; as a result, Ted figured it wasn't worth it to keep investing in them. There's only so many times you can do "everything's scripted, but this is real" before people start rolling their eyes. Second, "everyone loved the Aces and Eights storyline?" News to me. Everyone I know thought it was convoluted. They liked the members, sure, but not the storyline. 3. You'd be surprised. Also, just because he isn't world champion (yet) doesn't make him any less useless. Exactly what does he bring to the table that warrants him being a member of the roster as opposed to Joey Ryan or Christian York, pray tell? Sucks that so many people are being cut. I'm casual on TNA so i'm not THAT affected but... now that she's not associated with wrestling, maybe Playboy will give her a look. She's always wanted to. I kid, I kid...OR DO I Dunno if her not being associated with wrestling'll increase her chances, since most of the Divas who've posed with the company did so while with the company; I think Torrie and Ashely are the exceptions. Either way, hope a mag pics her up. If not, there's always the interwebs, if she's so inclined.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 14:06:27 GMT -5
Hulk's making money for TNA? They can't even afford to pay their talents on time. That's newz. The story has changed twice already. First it was the talent hadn't been paid for 6 weeks then it was 3. Which one is it? And yes, Hulk makes TNA money. Every time Hulk makes an indy appearance, a public appearance or endorses a product TNA as the contract owner and "Agent" takes a percentage. I assume with Hulk it'd be 10% but if Hulk makes 10 grand for coming to an indy show and cutting a promo TNA is getting a thousand dollars for nothing except brokering the deal. If Hulk goes and makes an appearance on a TV Show and gets paid for it, TNA gets cut in. They get cut in on everything that the Hulk Hogan brand has been involved in since 2010. That's why the deal is so lucrative. Apart from that you have the live crowds that come to see him, his merchandise that sells well, money from when he signs autographs at TNA Fanfests. It all adds up quickly. People can say what they want about the ratings but Hulk is a license to print money for TNA. Do you have any facts supporting the "TNA gets a cut of Hulk's earnings"? I honestly can't see Hogan having the same contract where his outside bookings are brokered by TNA and they get a cut.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 14:53:52 GMT -5
Hulk's making money for TNA? They can't even afford to pay their talents on time. That's newz. The story has changed twice already. First it was the talent hadn't been paid for 6 weeks then it was 3. Which one is it? And yes, Hulk makes TNA money. Every time Hulk makes an indy appearance, a public appearance or endorses a product TNA as the contract owner and "Agent" takes a percentage. I assume with Hulk it'd be 10% but if Hulk makes 10 grand for coming to an indy show and cutting a promo TNA is getting a thousand dollars for nothing except brokering the deal. If Hulk goes and makes an appearance on a TV Show and gets paid for it, TNA gets cut in. They get cut in on everything that the Hulk Hogan brand has been involved in since 2010. That's why the deal is so lucrative. Apart from that you have the live crowds that come to see him, his merchandise that sells well, money from when he signs autographs at TNA Fanfests. It all adds up quickly. People can say what they want about the ratings but Hulk is a license to print money for TNA. Isn't that one change and not two? How much money is Hogan getting paid? How much does he actually make them? Fact is that since TNA brought Hogan they're having controversy of financial difficulties. Not that this isn't news that's even unique to the Hogan era (The Taylor Wilde/Sunglass Hut thing was around a year before Hogan came in). But since Hogan came in, their roster hasn't really fared much better. Given the sheer number of roster cuts that have just been made in addition to all the rumors of pay issues, is there any evidence that he's really making them any money?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 18, 2013 15:03:17 GMT -5
I'm still amazed people use the Youtube views defense. If views means anything, TNA needs to hire Tay Zonday and Rebecca Black asap. When it comes to Eric Bischoff, you can't just focus on his success and ignore his failures. He beat WWF in the ratings for good while before they reclaimed their throne with hot chracters and never looked back. Bischoff had no answer or ideas to take back the crown exposing that he wasn't the Golden Boy people made him out to be.
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Post by SOR on Jul 18, 2013 19:58:21 GMT -5
1. Who knows the audience? Honestly I can sit here all day with you and like minded people with you all saying "TNA HAS HAD THE SAME FAN BASE FOR ALL 11 YEARS OF IT'S EXISTENCE" whilst I respond with "BUT WE DONT KNOW THAT FOR SURE PEOPLE COULD OF BEEN BROUGHT IN BY HULK!" Honestly, Brooke MAY of brought people in. I don't have evidence she did but you don't have evidence she didn't. It's a moot point I would guess that TNA would know these things though and the fact they keep her around probably means something. 2. Eric's dramatic fall? He had one bad half year in WCW, got fired and then did another 4 or 5 months with Russo. You're going to say 1 bad year total replaces 4-5 years of previous good work he did in WCW? C'mon, this screams of biasedness because you dislike Eric. Nothing more. Again though, we both don't know what Eric actually comes up with in TNA. He could of been behind some great story line ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a big hand in the Aces and Eights story line which EVERYONE loved for months. 3. Again, We don't know why Garrett was hired but I doubt TNA would hire someone they felt was bad or unmarketable just to keep Eric Bischoff happy. 1. "You don't have any evidence that she brought anyone in, but we don't have any evidence that she didn't." I'm sorry, but that's a horrible argument. How exactly is "we don't know if she brings anyone in or doesn't" a sound argument? Me personally, I'd err on the side of she doesn't. One, exactly how many people do you think are buying tickets or PPV's because of her? That's a very good question, I'd say, because even if television ratings are to be discounted because of new media, if she's not bringing any money through shows or merch sales, what purpose does she serve? Even if she has high YouTube views, her show was on MTV! What's to say kids haven't looked up her stuff from that reality show or her music video and either come across her TNA stuff and written anything not her talking or whatever as "that fake 'rasslin' shit" and tuned out or not cared to begin with? 2. Two things. First, If he had such great work in WCW, WCW would have never gone out of business. Let's remember, they didn't exactly go bankrupt because Ted Turner ran out of money, they went bankrupt because Bischoff and Russo's asinine storylines just couldn't keep people interested; as a result, Ted figured it wasn't worth it to keep investing in them. There's only so many times you can do "everything's scripted, but this is real" before people start rolling their eyes. Second, "everyone loved the Aces and Eights storyline?" News to me. Everyone I know thought it was convoluted. They liked the members, sure, but not the storyline. 3. You'd be surprised. Also, just because he isn't world champion (yet) doesn't make him any less useless. Exactly what does he bring to the table that warrants him being a member of the roster as opposed to Joey Ryan or Christian York, pray tell? 1. My only argument with this is we don't know what her fan base is doing. She does have a fan base outside the wrestling world you and I both don't know if fans of Brooke's music or Brooke in general are tuning into TNA. With no evidence to back either claim it's all assumption. 2. WCW didn't go bankrupt at all. Ever. WCW was still drawing decently through the Russo and Bischoff era also and when I say drawing decently I mean decently for the early 2000's. WCW was doing Nitro in front of 10,000 people during the dying days. Thunder (Which had a couple stars and that's it) would usually draw 5000+ but occasionally they had huge 10,000 crowds also. WCW died because it was owned by Time Warner. Time Warner merged with AOL and Turner no longer had as much power as he used too. This meant that Jamie Kellner a man working within the new merger said "We don't want wrestling" and simply cut it. WCW didn't die because of ANYTHING wrestling related. They just didn't want wrestling full stop and they've never had it since to my knowledge. 3. Christian York and Joey Ryan are very "indy" Christian York is 36 and Joey Ryan is 34. I'd hazard a guess that they keep Garrett because he's filler that they feel can be molded into a star some day. That's newz. The story has changed twice already. First it was the talent hadn't been paid for 6 weeks then it was 3. Which one is it? And yes, Hulk makes TNA money. Every time Hulk makes an indy appearance, a public appearance or endorses a product TNA as the contract owner and "Agent" takes a percentage. I assume with Hulk it'd be 10% but if Hulk makes 10 grand for coming to an indy show and cutting a promo TNA is getting a thousand dollars for nothing except brokering the deal. If Hulk goes and makes an appearance on a TV Show and gets paid for it, TNA gets cut in. They get cut in on everything that the Hulk Hogan brand has been involved in since 2010. That's why the deal is so lucrative. Apart from that you have the live crowds that come to see him, his merchandise that sells well, money from when he signs autographs at TNA Fanfests. It all adds up quickly. People can say what they want about the ratings but Hulk is a license to print money for TNA. Do you have any facts supporting the "TNA gets a cut of Hulk's earnings"? I honestly can't see Hogan having the same contract where his outside bookings are brokered by TNA and they get a cut. The fact Hulk is employed means they get a cut. If you're an Actor and you get signed to do a movie the person (The Agent) who brokers the deal for you gets cut in because they are a contract owner. TNA is the agent in this case. TNA owns Hulk Hogan's contract so they have to be compensated for any work he does. Hogan doesn't have an agent outside of TNA I would imagine so anyone who wants to book him for anything has to do it through TNA so they get a cut. This is how it works for all entertainers. From background extra's to musicians to Hollywood A-Listers. The Agent always gets a cut. TNA is Hulk's agent. I'm still amazed people use the Youtube views defense. If views means anything, TNA needs to hire Tay Zonday and Rebecca Black asap. When it comes to Eric Bischoff, you can't just focus on his success and ignore his failures. He beat WWF in the ratings for good while before they reclaimed their throne with hot chracters and never looked back. Bischoff had no answer or ideas to take back the crown exposing that he wasn't the Golden Boy people made him out to be. Is it fair to ignore his success though? TNA wants to desperately compete with WWE so does it hurt having the guy who made it happen on pay roll? Everybody here wanted Paul Heyman to take over TNA in a creative position. Bischoff has done more than Heyman has. I don't understand the hate Eric gets at all.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 18, 2013 19:59:51 GMT -5
Damn. This sucks. I was a big fan. Things seem really bleak right now for TNA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 20:03:33 GMT -5
RE Brooke Hogan: that Numa Numa guy got like a billion views on YouTube. There's your next World Champ!
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jul 18, 2013 20:32:22 GMT -5
RE Brooke Hogan: that Numa Numa guy got like a billion views on YouTube. There's your next World Champ! Psy actually did get a billion views, and in less than a year! Now THAT'S world champion material, brother!
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 18, 2013 20:35:53 GMT -5
Guess you ignore the "If Heyman took over TNA" threads where half of the posters were against Heyman being in charge and pointed out his flaws and hypocrisy.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 18, 2013 20:36:41 GMT -5
RE Brooke Hogan: that Numa Numa guy got like a billion views on YouTube. There's your next World Champ! Psy actually did get a billion views, and in less than a year! Now THAT'S world champion material, brother! Too Asian, Brother.
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Post by Danimal on Jul 20, 2013 10:28:47 GMT -5
I don't like this decision. She can still work and I like her Jesse.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jul 20, 2013 11:57:28 GMT -5
Sucks that so many people are being cut. I'm casual on TNA so i'm not THAT affected but... now that she's not associated with wrestling, maybe Playboy will give her a look. She's always wanted to. I kid, I kid...OR DO I Dunno if her not being associated with wrestling'll increase her chances, since most of the Divas who've posed with the company did so while with the company Playboy actually is AGAINST getting involved with wrestling companies last time I checked, which is why this fantastic-for-all-parties-involved opportunity presents itself.
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