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Post by STMP on Dec 28, 2006 16:37:45 GMT -5
It can certainly be argued exactly how much effect this will have long term...but I think it's been at least a small positive in each mans career. Not enough to "make" them..not even close..just enough to lay a decent foundation should TNA take the ball and involve them in interesting matches and storylines. A small positive is indeed part of the posibility. It's a good thing if Lethal and Dutt learn from Nash. But saying Nash is making the X-Division, which is what this whole debate started over. That is taking it too far. Lethal and Dutt need a lot of work. Learning from Nash can help them. But they are nowhere near the level of Shelly, who is hilarious next to Nash and plays off him great. And he is one of those guys who doesn't even need Nash to get over. He's Jericho-material. The guys who benefit the most from the skits are either already very confident on the mic or have already made it. And that is why those skits are so funny, because unlike VKM this is done by people who have a great sense of humour. The best comparison a Rock promo. He is amazing on the mic and one of the most charismatic men in the world. He'd often involve others in his promos. He'd trash Kevin Kelly, hit on Lillian Garcia, make a fool out of his opponent or show his tag partner just how awesome he was. Some of those promos led to catchprhases still used today (Smackdown for example as the name of the show). And at times it led to new stuff others could use, like Christian and his peeps. A Rock-promo was always fun. And at times it lead to stuff others could use. You need to see the Paparazi skits in the same light. Just very fun stuff that could possibly lead to more, but it's not a guarantee for more, just a possibility.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Dec 28, 2006 16:41:41 GMT -5
It can certainly be argued exactly how much effect this will have long term...but I think it's been at least a small positive in each mans career. Not enough to "make" them..not even close..just enough to lay a decent foundation should TNA take the ball and involve them in interesting matches and storylines. A small positive is indeed part of the posibility. It's a good thing if Lethal and Dutt learn from Nash. But saying Nash is making the X-Division, which is what this whole debate started over. That is taking it too far. Lethal and Dutt need a lot of work. Learning from Nash can help them. But they are nowhere near the level of Shelly, who is hilarious next to Nash and plays off him great. And he is one of those guys who doesn't even need Nash to get over. He's Jericho-material. The guys who benefit the most from the skits are either already very confident on the mic or have already made it. And that is why those skits are so funny, because unlike VKM this is done by people who have a great sense of humour. The best comparison a Rock promo. He is amazing on the mic and one of the most charismatic men in the world. He'd often involve others in his promos. He'd trash Kevin Kelly, hit on Lillian Garcia, make a fool out of his opponent or show his tag partner just how awesome he was. Some of those promos led to catchprhases still used today (Smackdown for example as the name of the show). And at times it led to new stuff others could use, like Christian and his peeps. A Rock-promo was always fun. And at times it lead to stuff others could use. You need to see the Paparazi skits in the same light. Just very fun stuff that could possibly lead to more, but it's not a guarantee for more, just a possibility. Right, I agree with that. That's the reason I titled this thread "positive impact" instead of implying he is doing anything too signifigant on his own. I still contend that there are people who wont even give Nash the credit he does deserve all based on their dislike of him in the past.
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Post by STMP on Dec 28, 2006 16:47:31 GMT -5
A small positive is indeed part of the posibility. It's a good thing if Lethal and Dutt learn from Nash. But saying Nash is making the X-Division, which is what this whole debate started over. That is taking it too far. Lethal and Dutt need a lot of work. Learning from Nash can help them. But they are nowhere near the level of Shelly, who is hilarious next to Nash and plays off him great. And he is one of those guys who doesn't even need Nash to get over. He's Jericho-material. The guys who benefit the most from the skits are either already very confident on the mic or have already made it. And that is why those skits are so funny, because unlike VKM this is done by people who have a great sense of humour. The best comparison a Rock promo. He is amazing on the mic and one of the most charismatic men in the world. He'd often involve others in his promos. He'd trash Kevin Kelly, hit on Lillian Garcia, make a fool out of his opponent or show his tag partner just how awesome he was. Some of those promos led to catchprhases still used today (Smackdown for example as the name of the show). And at times it led to new stuff others could use, like Christian and his peeps. A Rock-promo was always fun. And at times it lead to stuff others could use. You need to see the Paparazi skits in the same light. Just very fun stuff that could possibly lead to more, but it's not a guarantee for more, just a possibility. Right, I agree with that. That's the reason I titled this thread "positive impact" instead of implying he is doing anything too signifigant on his own. I still contend that there are people who wont even give Nash the credit he does deserve all based on their dislike of him in the past. But I do think he also won a lot of people over with what he is doing now. Nash sucks as a wrestler, but he has always been good on the mic. He's also very funny, but he sucks as a wrestler. Right now he is staying away from the ring and just like JBL he is only doing things he is good at right now. Even the Nash-haters appreciate that.
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Post by Mista T on Dec 28, 2006 18:23:32 GMT -5
Yes he is entertaining, whereas the X-division guys' segments without Nash= ZZZzz
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 28, 2006 18:45:16 GMT -5
Well, from what I see it, we have 2 potential angles that can happen:
Nash's affection leads to Starr vs Shelley: The 2 "sons" fo Kevin Nash fight for his affection. The older one, Shelley, sees the younger one, Starr get more attention since he's the next big thing and Shelley wasn't. This will probably cause a feud that destroys Papparazi Productions and leads to Shelley vs Starr after Final Resolution.
The PCS destroys a broken friendship=Lethal vs Dutt: Lethal and Dutt had enough trouble when Chris Sabin decided to go all evil heel. Their friend abandoned them and it made them depressed. The PCS didn't help. Dutt and Lethal have tried to beat each other since "There's no friends in the PCS". Now, this will lead to the continued break-up of Team USA/Jackass.
I believe he's making people care, especially the new viewers who potentially don't know their TNA history or seen any of their guys in other feds.
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Dec 28, 2006 23:10:16 GMT -5
I have yet to see any of the skits, nor do I care to. I have absolutely no use for Kevin Nash going into 2007, and all I want is for these talented wrestlers to be allowed to do their thing without a bunch of bullshit shenanigans for 15 to 20 minutes, while also being allowed to use some of their own creative minds to come up with ideas for character development and promos.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 28, 2006 23:15:08 GMT -5
I have yet to see any of the skits, nor do I care to. I have absolutely no use for Kevin Nash going into 2007, and all I want is for these talented wrestlers to be allowed to do their thing without a bunch of bullcrap shenanigans for 15 to 20 minutes, while also being allowed to use some of their own creative minds to come up with ideas for character development and promos. We get it, you're cynical. By the way, the segments go for about 2-3 minutes at most, wisenheimer.
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Post by Danimal on Dec 28, 2006 23:21:34 GMT -5
And very few people, outside of yourself and vinniemac, are making that last statement. You think because you have an opinion that the people who disagree must be lacking something..but the fact is not very many people on here agree with you. That is not to say many people don't agree with us. Some people just don't want to bother with arguing about Kevin Nash. he's that irrelevant in the world of wrestling. End of story. Like you said, it's opinion, and judging by the fact it's the same 5 or 6 people talking about this goonshow (Mr. Nash) versus the hundred + memebrs of this board pretty much negates the Kevin Nash sewing circle, me thinks. Fish, or fowl - the only people who care about this subject barely number to that of bench warmers on your average baseball team. I see more threads about the Paparazzi-skits than I do DX, so does this mean DX is not a big deal since few here are arguing about them?
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Dec 28, 2006 23:22:22 GMT -5
I have yet to see any of the skits, nor do I care to. I have absolutely no use for Kevin Nash going into 2007, and all I want is for these talented wrestlers to be allowed to do their thing without a bunch of bullcrap shenanigans for 15 to 20 minutes, while also being allowed to use some of their own creative minds to come up with ideas for character development and promos. We get it, you're cynical. By the way, the segments go for about 2-3 minutes at most, wisenheimer. Not trying to be a dick if that's what you're thinking. As for 2-3 minutes usually for each segment, if the best segment each week really goes on for that long, then I feel fortunate to have skipped Impact over the past several weeks. When I invest an hour of my time each week, I expect to be entertained for a good portion of that hour. Quality television (again, I'm just basing it on what so many on this board have been saying about the skits) for less than five minutes per week is inexcusable.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 28, 2006 23:23:47 GMT -5
We get it, you're cynical. By the way, the segments go for about 2-3 minutes at most, wisenheimer. Not trying to be a dick if that's what you're thinking. As for 2-3 minutes usually for each segment, if the best segment each week really goes on for that long, then I feel fortunate to have skipped Impact over the past several weeks. When I invest an hour of my time each week, I expect to be entertained for a good portion of that hour. Quality television (again, I'm just basing it on what so many on this board have been saying about the skits) for less than five minutes per week is inexcusable. There's always YouTube, where the skits are put up. I'm just saying.
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Dec 28, 2006 23:25:45 GMT -5
Not trying to be a dick if that's what you're thinking. As for 2-3 minutes usually for each segment, if the best segment each week really goes on for that long, then I feel fortunate to have skipped Impact over the past several weeks. When I invest an hour of my time each week, I expect to be entertained for a good portion of that hour. Quality television (again, I'm just basing it on what so many on this board have been saying about the skits) for less than five minutes per week is inexcusable. There's always YouTube, where the skits are put up. I'm just saying. No thanks, I'm just not interested, just like the average WWE fan has no interest in watching a Bryan Danielson match. It has no appeal to me.
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Post by Timmy8271 on Dec 29, 2006 1:09:03 GMT -5
Where's the "It doesn't matter because the X divison will never really get over" choice? Nash can't hurt the X division because they are booked like losers. Especially Dutt/Lethal/Shelly.
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Post by Suck it Trebek! on Dec 30, 2006 7:18:02 GMT -5
We get it, you're cynical. By the way, the segments go for about 2-3 minutes at most, wisenheimer. Not trying to be a dick if that's what you're thinking. As for 2-3 minutes usually for each segment, if the best segment each week really goes on for that long, then I feel fortunate to have skipped Impact over the past several weeks. When I invest an hour of my time each week, I expect to be entertained for a good portion of that hour. Quality television (again, I'm just basing it on what so many on this board have been saying about the skits) for less than five minutes per week is inexcusable. So you don't even watch the show and only have a peripheral idea of what you're talking aboot. Got it
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Dec 30, 2006 20:07:54 GMT -5
Not trying to be a dick if that's what you're thinking. As for 2-3 minutes usually for each segment, if the best segment each week really goes on for that long, then I feel fortunate to have skipped Impact over the past several weeks. When I invest an hour of my time each week, I expect to be entertained for a good portion of that hour. Quality television (again, I'm just basing it on what so many on this board have been saying about the skits) for less than five minutes per week is inexcusable. So you don't even watch the show and only have a peripheral idea of what you're talking aboot. Got it Actually no, I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. A quanity of about four 5 minute matches, two to three minutes being given to PCS, two to three minutes given to VKM, five minutes given to Angle/Joe storyline, three minutes given to LAX, three minutes given to Joe/Rhino, two minutes given to Daniels/Sabin/Lynn, and 30 seconds for Roode/Brooks/Young, plus about four minutes for Abyss/Sting/Christian. Yeah, it's so easy to sink my teeth into all of these storylines, since they have so much time afforded to them to showcase the talent.
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