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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 27, 2006 12:37:26 GMT -5
Warrior.
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"IcePic" Rick Cobos
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Dec 27, 2006 16:48:21 GMT -5
He works for a company that couldn't care less what it's wrestlers put into there bodies. TNA = 0 fatalities. 0 near-fatalities based on work within TNA. WWF/E = Owen Hart, Brian Pillman, Eddie Guerrero and near fatalities: Paul Orndorff, Kurt Angle, Darin Drozdov, Joey Mercury.... The list goes on. Now, think about that before you get on your soap box. Owen and Droz's incidents had nothing to do with drug related issues.
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Ace Diamond
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 27, 2006 16:57:39 GMT -5
He works for a company that couldn't care less what it's wrestlers put into there bodies. TNA = 0 fatalities. 0 near-fatalities based on work within TNA. WWF/E = Owen Hart, Brian Pillman, Eddie Guerrero and near fatalities: Paul Orndorff, Kurt Angle, Darin Drozdov, Joey Mercury.... The list goes on. Now, think about that before you get on your soap box. Oh right, sorry, I guess we're not supposed to call out TNA for not having a wellness policy like the one WWE has. I guess it's a mistake to have sent Joey Mercury, Chris Masters, Jeff Hardy, and others into rehab for their drug issues. And nice job calling the WWE out on accidents they couldn't necessarily avoid (Owen probably, Droz def. not)
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Post by leemir on Dec 27, 2006 16:58:34 GMT -5
We seen how much weight Angle lost after the drug plan so he must f been on them for years in WWE, so yeah WWE care about their Wrestlers & TNA don't.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 27, 2006 17:22:44 GMT -5
TNA = 0 fatalities. 0 near-fatalities based on work within TNA. WWF/E = Owen Hart, Brian Pillman, Eddie Guerrero and near fatalities: Paul Orndorff, Kurt Angle, Darin Drozdov, Joey Mercury.... The list goes on. Now, think about that before you get on your soap box. Chris Candido When I saw that name, I thought about some of the things WWE did for the families of wrestlers who died in WWE. Brian Pillman's wife ended up getting a DVD dedicated to her husband's career. Chris Candido's longtime girlfriend Tammy got a turkey, according to her shoot anyway.
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Byakugan
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Post by Byakugan on Dec 27, 2006 17:24:55 GMT -5
When I saw that name, I thought about some of the things WWE did for the families of wrestlers who died in WWE. Brian Pillman's wife ended up getting a DVD dedicated to her husband's career. Chris Candido's longtime girlfriend Tammy got a turkey, according to her shoot anyway. Sorry... WWE are definitely jerks.... BUT THAT IS FREAKING HILARIOUS (Especially with Tammys weight gain)
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Dec 27, 2006 18:18:16 GMT -5
TNA = 0 fatalities. 0 near-fatalities based on work within TNA. WWF/E = Owen Hart, Brian Pillman, Eddie Guerrero and near fatalities: Paul Orndorff, Kurt Angle, Darin Drozdov, Joey Mercury.... The list goes on. Now, think about that before you get on your soap box. Oh right, sorry, I guess we're not supposed to call out TNA for not having a wellness policy like the one WWE has. I guess it's a mistake to have sent Joey Mercury, Chris Masters, Jeff Hardy, and others into rehab for their drug issues. And nice job calling the WWE out on accidents they couldn't necessarily avoid (Owen probably, Droz def. not) owen's was avoidable in that they could have not done the stunt. i would like to point out though that candido, eddie, orndorff, and mercury had problems when they came in. so, the wwe can hardly be blamed for that.
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vinniemac
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 27, 2006 18:19:32 GMT -5
Who died of pneumonia. Seek out the coroner's inquest. Inversely, working one day a week for a single company versus 4-5 (and hopping continents at that) - you can't spin the WWE kill machine.
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vinniemac
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 27, 2006 18:24:05 GMT -5
TNA = 0 fatalities. 0 near-fatalities based on work within TNA. WWF/E = Owen Hart, Brian Pillman, Eddie Guerrero and near fatalities: Paul Orndorff, Kurt Angle, Darin Drozdov, Joey Mercury.... The list goes on. Now, think about that before you get on your soap box. Owen and Droz's incidents had nothing to do with drug related issues. Either you missed the point completely, or you're wearing sheep's wool jsut ot protect the WWE. This isn't about drugs. It's about "a company giving a damn," about their worker's bodies. TNA tapes twice amonth, sometimes 3 times a month. WWE literally works their talent to early careers and sometimes death. To comapre the two and get on a soap box towards TNA is not only stupid, but the insurmountable evidence against that stupid smarkish grandstanding is like O. J. Simpson proclaiming his innocense, or to deny the holocaust ever happened. It's that out of whack with reality....
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 27, 2006 18:24:06 GMT -5
Oh right, sorry, I guess we're not supposed to call out TNA for not having a wellness policy like the one WWE has. I guess it's a mistake to have sent Joey Mercury, Chris Masters, Jeff Hardy, and others into rehab for their drug issues. And nice job calling the WWE out on accidents they couldn't necessarily avoid (Owen probably, Droz def. not) owen's was avoidable in that they could have not done the stunt. i would like to point out though that candido, eddie, orndorff, and mercury had problems when they came in. so, the wwe can hardly be blamed for that. You know what sucks about that. According to Vince Russo and Ed Ferrera (I got their shoot on Ultimate Insiders) that that stunt wasn't planned. Apparently Sting's people were gonna be there and wanted to try to do that stunt with someone, and Vince choose Owen as they did it before. Russo though said that he would have had no problem if Owen Hart said he didn't want to do it, because he was good friends with Owen, and when Owen didn't want to do the angle where he had a crush on Debra, Russo immediately got rid of it and changed it.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 27, 2006 18:25:28 GMT -5
Who died of pneumonia. Seek out the coroner's inquest. Inversely, working one day a week for a single company versus 4-5 (and hopping continents at that) - you can't spin the WWE kill machine. Didn't he die because his doctor didn't tell him not to go on a plane, and that's what caused a lot of his surgery complications, and his eventual death? Tammy Sytch talked about that on a shoot interview that that was the main cause of the death.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 27, 2006 18:25:36 GMT -5
Who died of pneumonia. Seek out the coroner's inquest. Inversely, working one day a week for a single company versus 4-5 (and hopping continents at that) - you can't spin the WWE kill machine. I thought it was a blood clout in the leg during a flight that went to his heart?
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vinniemac
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 27, 2006 18:29:36 GMT -5
i would like to point out though that candido, eddie, orndorff, and mercury had problems when they came in. so, the wwe can hardly be blamed for that. Candido died of PNEUMONIA. Let's make that clear, since the coroner did. it certainly wasn't helped that he worked his TNA dates, but TNA certainly weren't working him 4-5, sometimes 6 days a week and having him jump around continents and luring big, financial carrots in front of him to keep working until his flesh literally tore from his bones and his body collapsed on him. They did this to Orndorff 9he f'd up his neck in his Hogan program. Eddie was worked to death and WWE did NOTHING to step in and see if he wa alright, even though his in-ring coworkers (William Reagal, for instance) took notice, privately. Mercury's near-skull crushing was two weeks ago on a WWE PPV. Back to Candido: he started his nose dive (pun intended) into all sorts of addictions while working for WWF. Regardless, I'm pointing out facts and not arguing with you. I see we're on the same page.
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vinniemac
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 27, 2006 18:36:01 GMT -5
Who died of pneumonia. Seek out the coroner's inquest. Inversely, working one day a week for a single company versus 4-5 (and hopping continents at that) - you can't spin the WWE kill machine. I thought it was a blood clout in the leg during a flight that went to his heart? "Tammy said Chris flew home to New Jersey and woke up in pain. Turns out that Candido had pneumonia and the doctors had to drain his lungs. Shockingly, Candido wanted no general anaesthesia for this. Tammy said that she didn't use general anaesthesia for her nose job or two boob jobs. After being told it would be a very painful procedure, Candido agreed to the anaesthesia. Tammy left the room, only to come back twenty minutes later and was told by the doctor, "I'm sorry, he's gone." Tammy said she went crazy and even began punching the doctor. The medical staff had found a blood clot, which apparently formed when Candido flew home from Orlando. Sytch said that Candido didn't even have to fly home as he could have stayed in Florida with any number of friends if he had just been told he couldn't fly. Sytch said she is looking for the "right lawyer" to pursue litigation on that matter, as she felt the hospital was negligent for not supplying Chris with any antibiotics or informing Candido of the dangers of flying after surgery. Personally, I think it was a damn shame that someone who had come back from so much had to go this way, especially since Candido was so good to the younger wrestlers and willing to check out their matches to talk about what worked and what didn’t. Wrestling needs more guys like Chris Candido."Source: www.thewrestlingfan.com/burgandvd9.htmlThe Declaration of Independents also had two different statements from the Candido family (Johnny, his brother, and Chris's father) which also talked about the Pneumonia and coroner's inquest.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Dec 27, 2006 18:37:32 GMT -5
Owen and Droz's incidents had nothing to do with drug related issues. Either you missed the point completely, or you're wearing sheep's wool jsut ot protect the WWE. This isn't about drugs. It's about "a company giving a damn," about their worker's bodies. TNA tapes twice amonth, sometimes 3 times a month. WWE literally works their talent to early careers and sometimes death. To comapre the two and get on a soap box towards TNA is not only stupid, but the insurmountable evidence against that stupid smarkish grandstanding is like O. J. Simpson proclaiming his innocense, or to deny the holocaust ever happened. It's that out of whack with reality....I think that you are missing the point. This is a thread about "enhancers" to a wrestler's appearance, nothing about deaths or accidents that happened outside of drug abuse. Besides, when a company like TNA attacks the 'E all the time with shoot interviews and proclaimations against a wellness policy... Well, I think that TNA is deserving of such critism. I fail to see how facts are "spin doctoring" or "being wolves in sheep's clothing". Nobody is attacking you when speaking of your beloved TNA, you don't need to get so emotional as to fly off the hand and lose the ability to spell either.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Dec 27, 2006 18:40:36 GMT -5
i would like to point out though that candido, eddie, orndorff, and mercury had problems when they came in. so, the wwe can hardly be blamed for that. Candido died of PNEUMONIA. Let's make that clear, since the coroner did. it certainly wasn't helped that he worked his TNA dates, but TNA certainly weren't working him 4-5, sometimes 6 days a week and having him jump around continents and luring big, financial carrots in front of him to keep working until his flesh literally tore from his bones and his body collapsed on him. They did this to Orndorff 9he f'd up his neck in his Hogan program. Eddie was worked to death and WWE did NOTHING to step in and see if he wa alright, even though his in-ring coworkers (William Reagal, for instance) took notice, privately. [glow=red,2,300]Mercury's near-skull crushing was two weeks ago on a WWE PPV.[/glow] Back to Candido: he started his nose dive (pun intended) into all sorts of addictions while working for WWF. Regardless, I'm pointing out facts and not arguing with you. I see we're on the same page. Because they've forced Mercury into matches prematurely and told him if he didn't get in the ring he would be fired. Right... Way to put something that doesn't apply or make sense at all to an unrelated argument. On a related note, Nixon was the worst president ever. ;D
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vinniemac
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 27, 2006 18:53:12 GMT -5
I think that you are missing the point. No, I got the point. I think you're just bitter about your bogus claims of agism on another thread. And, again you miss a point just to spew up bile. The poster slammed TNA about not caring about their workers. They claimed they didn't care what went into their bodies. I offered up facts about how WWE never did, and even didn't care about their worker's well being in the ring. It's called elaboration and debate. Learn it. It comes with experience. That's not the point. However, to attack a small time offender by defending the biggest offender in THE INDUSTRY (and which currently is THE INDUSTRY) just because you're a mark for them is ludicrous and smacks of the typical WWE marks getting their panties in a knot and sipping way too much of the McKool Aid to justify their spin. Also, on this board, it's ritual to bash TNA and defend WWE. Look up the word, "counterpoint." VERY immature. Bad typing and misspelling aren't always the same. Inversely, you should learn about debate and fact finding. Also ,developing a thicker skin is worth trying. It comes with experience. Also, Just because you'll believe anything the WWE tells you, and then regurgitate it in what you think is an argument, doesn't make it true, nor classifies as a debate. Also, learn reading comprehension. You're still bitter about another thread and your lack of reading comprehension skills, but now you're putting your foot in your mouth again by doing it here, just because you're still stung you made a fool of yourself on another thread. You want to act mature and high and mighty, trying to place yourself above me by trying to spin things about "insults," but your overly sensitive nature and lack of life experience is evealed, and your argument/complaint/personal attack/desire for revenge blows up in your face when you have to resort to attacks on "spelling," because you cannot argue an actual, salient, fact-based point. Your charade has been exposed: you had nothing to offer to the thread or the discussion but wnated to get on a soap box and attack me because you're still bitter about another thread. Finally, the WWE section of the forum is over here.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Dec 27, 2006 18:59:33 GMT -5
I was refering to what you were saying in this thread. Unlike you, I don't hold grudges and was done with that thread. Get off your TNA loving high horse and stop letting every little thing be an insult to you. Oh, and I stopped reading the second you mentioned the other thread. EDIT: ;D I love that you are trying to make me out to be deeper than I am. It makes you seem like a guy that won't let things go and have had me on your mind for awhile.
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vinniemac
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 27, 2006 19:02:33 GMT -5
Because they've forced Mercury into matches prematurely and told him if he didn't get in the ring he would be fired. Right... Reading comprehension, kiddo. Learn it. Judging the messanger who is delivering that statement, I nearly laughed until I couldn't breathe! That would be G. W. Bush, anyway.As someone who was alive to actually EXPERIENCE the nixon years (abd as they were), and knowing, by your own admition elsewhere that you were not - I think that was a cute joke. VERY telling.
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Boku AKA Da Green Guy
El Dandy
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Dec 27, 2006 19:04:35 GMT -5
;D
You're funny.
I think your new favorite poster here.
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