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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 2, 2013 9:22:47 GMT -5
Yeah there's some padding here but to me the Edge/Foley match, RVD winning MITB, the women's title match, and the main event make this an easy thumbs up PPV. I do get what people mean by the world title match being entirely too short though, as well as HBK being wasted on a nothing feud with Vince. Hell, Michaels was wasted the entire year of 2006 in that idiotic Vince feud.
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Post by Boomaga on Aug 2, 2013 11:23:40 GMT -5
However, who was NOT wasted in the HBK vs. Vince feud, was Jim Ross. His vehement anti-Vince commentary during their WM22 match still cracks me up. Like when HBK busts the Muscle & Fitness cover over Vince's head and JR yells, "Break it over his head, and then shove it up his ass!!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2013 11:30:38 GMT -5
Good WrestleMania. However, it had two garbage matches, and the World Heavyweight Championship not only not had its graphic, but also lacked the time needed to tell a good story. Also... on the 24/7 broadcast, I assume that "Big Time" by Peter Gabriel has been replaced.
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Post by BK From WV on Aug 2, 2013 12:18:55 GMT -5
I will go against the consensus, this is one of my least favorite Wrestlemanias to watch. I'm with you. I don't care at all for this Mania. It's definitely bottom three for me.
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Post by DIIV on Aug 2, 2013 12:29:24 GMT -5
It's weird looking back and seeing it held in a regular arena, especially with 17, 18 and 19 (and later 23, 24, etc.) all being held in stadiums. At least the staples center is a bit bigger than your average arena so the WM21 event looked bigger on television, but the allstate arena looked so small on television, at least from what I recall. Great card, it just lacked that big time feel that the previous Wrestlemanias had.
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Post by -Lithium- on Aug 2, 2013 13:33:17 GMT -5
Really good WM. Probably my favorite of the 20's. HBK/Vince, Mickie/Trish, MITB 2, Edge/Foley, HHH/Cena, Triple Threat. All entertaining in their own ways, with the Triple Threat being the weakest. The atmosphere in Cena/HHH is great, too. I hated Cena winning at the time, but looking back I think it made the show more memorable, in a good way...
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Post by AKIMan64 on Aug 2, 2013 17:19:40 GMT -5
I remember watching this event and it wasn't terrible, but nothing spectacular either. I did enjoy Edge vs. Foley hardcore match, Trish vs. Mickie, HBK vs. Vince, and MITB II I enjoyed (although not as good as the 1st one that Edge won). The only downside was the Booker/Boogeyman stuff, the triple threat world title match cut short in favor of a Divas' pillow fight, and Taker vs. Henry (IMO probably should've been Taker v. Angle instead).
As for Cena vs. HHH, I don't remember too much of it besides the Chicago crowd booing Cena. At Wm21 people cheered the heck out of him when he beat JBL and a year later people booed him badly. it kind of makes me wonder if WWE made a mistake by sending him over to Raw.
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Post by Knailsic From Now On on Aug 3, 2013 3:30:13 GMT -5
Great PPV, love almost every match.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Aug 3, 2013 6:42:31 GMT -5
how come i can only remember watching the boogey man match and when rey won the title from this show yet not the money in the bank at all and i know i watched this
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2013 6:58:21 GMT -5
Good show, still kicking myself I didn't attend this live.
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Post by TCM on Aug 3, 2013 13:19:42 GMT -5
With a crowd as hot as this, it still baffles me that they would rather go to large stadiums exclusively. Yeah, more people makes it look grander, but you can't get a crowd that stays hot the entire time in a large stadium. They also don't sound as loud either considering they're usually open-air stadiums. Hell, go to Soldier Field, The Cell (U.S. Cellular Field) or even Wrigley. You still get 40-60K and that's without the seats on the playing area. I just want Mania in Chicago just one more time.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 3, 2013 13:24:44 GMT -5
With a crowd as hot as this, it still baffles me that they would rather go to large stadiums exclusively. Yeah, more people makes it look grander, but you can't get a crowd that stays hot the entire time in a large stadium. They also don't sound as loud either considering they're usually open-air stadiums. The difficult thing is that Wrestlemania has become too big for them to consider downshifting it. They'd have to have one or two of these shows fail big time before they could look into something like that.
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Post by mizerable on Aug 3, 2013 13:31:24 GMT -5
Good show, still kicking myself I didn't attend this live. I was too. But I felt ripped off when Bret Hart decided not to show up and just wave to the crowd. That was partially insulting he couldn't give that to the fans. With a crowd as hot as this, it still baffles me that they would rather go to large stadiums exclusively. Yeah, more people makes it look grander, but you can't get a crowd that stays hot the entire time in a large stadium. They also don't sound as loud either considering they're usually open-air stadiums. Hell, go to Soldier Field, The Cell (U.S. Cellular Field) or even Wrigley. You still get 40-60K and that's without the seats on the playing area. I just want Mania in Chicago just one more time. Yeah, I mean I understand they want to sell more seats and make more money. But those tightly contained arenas where the crowd is hot makes me want to rewatch a PPV more as opposed to a crowd you can't hear at all.
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Post by TCM on Aug 3, 2013 13:32:03 GMT -5
With a crowd as hot as this, it still baffles me that they would rather go to large stadiums exclusively. Yeah, more people makes it look grander, but you can't get a crowd that stays hot the entire time in a large stadium. They also don't sound as loud either considering they're usually open-air stadiums. The difficult thing is that Wrestlemania has become too big for them to consider downshifting it. They'd have to have one or two of these shows fail big time before they could look into something like that. That is the unfortunate part. Yet something tells me if they downsized just once, it would be better than the past few Manias in terms of overall substance. At this point, you'll have the possible dark horse match that steals the show, assuming Taker's match or the WWE/WHC Title matches don't perform up to snuff. We also need the title matches to be closer together again. If you promote triple main events, then they should come one right after the other, maybe one match in between to give the crowd rest, though that's a different topic. With a crowd as hot as this, it still baffles me that they would rather go to large stadiums exclusively. Yeah, more people makes it look grander, but you can't get a crowd that stays hot the entire time in a large stadium. They also don't sound as loud either considering they're usually open-air stadiums. Hell, go to Soldier Field, The Cell (U.S. Cellular Field) or even Wrigley. You still get 40-60K and that's without the seats on the playing area. I just want Mania in Chicago just one more time. Yeah, I mean I understand they want to sell more seats and make more money. But those tightly contained arenas where the crowd is hot makes me want to rewatch a PPV more as opposed to a crowd you can't hear at all. Exactly. For these recent Manias, watching them live on PPV was a treat, but I only go back to a couple matches as opposed to something like 21 or 22 where I could re-watch the entire thing opener to main event.
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Aug 4, 2013 12:17:56 GMT -5
Also... on the 24/7 broadcast, I assume that "Big Time" by Peter Gabriel has been replaced. Shocker, IT HASN'T! "I Dare You" and "Big Time" are still there! Sure Benoit's match was taken out, but quite frankly, it was excess weight.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 14:27:39 GMT -5
Also... on the 24/7 broadcast, I assume that "Big Time" by Peter Gabriel has been replaced. Shocker, IT HASN'T! "I Dare You" and "Big Time" are still there! Sure Benoit's match was taken out, but quite frankly, it was excess weight. I'll be damned. Frankly, that match was deadweight, and I can't stand listening to Jillian go "It's so pretty!".
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Post by Young Game on Aug 4, 2013 16:12:19 GMT -5
how come i can only remember watching the boogey man match and when rey won the title from this show yet not the money in the bank at all and i know i watched this Studies show Rob Van Dam does have an effect on short term memory.
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Post by 543Y2J on Aug 4, 2013 16:18:01 GMT -5
I am more of a fan of HBK than I am HHH, but I admit that HHH vs Cena was a better main event than HBK vs Cena. HBK/Cena although good felt like it went on a bit too long (especially after the amazing balls to the wall action of Taker/Batista) and Cena just didn't take his time to sell at the end even though they had a great finishing sequence. The atmosphere for HHH and Cena is insane and it is a great match technically and in brawling. The crowd reactions were the cherry on top and bless the cameraman/producer/directer for getting those reactions, easily the best crowd reaction shots ever and it's a shame they can't get the timing/audience members as right as they did on that night. The fact that they haven't been reaction gifs for years by now is baffeling, I should really make the gifs of them because you could tell the crowd was pissed/shocked/astounded.
Great Mania, I think 21 is better as it had MITB1/TakerOrton/HBKAngle/ReyEddie/PipersPitt/BatistaHHH which just makes it an insane show, XX just as this epic quality and has multiple classic and under appreciated matches because it was such a huge card, 23 is a mixed bag for me but still enjoyable, 24 was really good, 25 meh to ok for me just to the terrible finish to the show in Orton/HHH (even with the classic HHH/Taker, good MITB, good Hardy/Hardy, good Jericho/Steamboat, good triple threat WHC)
22 though is definitely a good/fun card and is incredibly re watchable, I would rate it in the collection of better Manias for sure. Fun MITB, Edge/Foley, one of the best short matches ever in Rey/Orton/Angle, HBK/Vince, decent tag match opener, the Hall of Weird with Booker T and Sharmell, ok JBL/Benoit
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Post by Renslayer on Aug 4, 2013 16:21:52 GMT -5
The triple threat was on pace to be fantastic, but they didn't have enough time to really get going. For the story they were trying to tell & for the build Rey's chase for the title was, the match should've had another 15 minutes to it (or, in my perfect world, been a one on one match vs. Angle.
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