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Post by gabou142 on Dec 28, 2006 4:10:45 GMT -5
Man, a few months ago, I couldn't care less about the guys from the X-division. Sure they had spectacular matches, but I juste didn't care about the actual guys.
But now, thanks to Paparazzi production and the PCS challenge, I finally give a crap about them..they became my favorite part of Impact!!
So, do you think that Nash IS really making the x-division interesting or do you think he is destroying it??
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Post by -Lithium- on Dec 28, 2006 4:14:21 GMT -5
I think the skits are funny. But the second Sonjay or Lethal or anyone besides Shelley and Starr are done with the PP, nothings gonna be changed. Theres not gonna be any more meaning or suspense behind Sonjay vs Senshi. Why would there be? Cause Sonjay was sticking his ass in peoples faces? Seriously guys its funny, but your going to far when you say its gonna save the X-Division...
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 28, 2006 9:17:34 GMT -5
Nash helped kill WCW. Now he's helping to kill the X-Division. Instead of putting young, smaller talent in the spotlight, TNA has basically destroyed their money-maker from 2002-2005: the X-Division, in order to promote a has been who makes Hulk-lame ass-Hogan look like freakin' Dusty Rhodes on the stick and Dean Malenko in the ring - and who got by with who he associated, rather than on his own. Instead of handful of young, talented, risk-taking guys on the rise, we get an old man who tears muscles picking up a toy box with a 10 pound weight in it... To repair the damage he caused on-screen, and the booking did off-screen, TNA now has to back peddle and put Christopher Daniels and A. J. Styles back into the X-Division top spots to try (perhaps an exercise in futility) and repair one year's worth of atrocious, sloppy, mind-numbing booking centered around Kevin Nash that has set the division back to TNA's first show-levels back in 2002 (Flying Elvis' anyone???). Kevin Nash IS killing the X-Divison. Strike that. He's killed it. Now he's urinating on its grave. Blood, sweat and tears and years of hard work pissed away with sub-GOOD BURGER one-liners at the expense of the talent that sould be receiving a push.... Who'd Nash blow to keep his spot this time?
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 28, 2006 9:23:17 GMT -5
I think the skits are funny. But the second Sonjay or Lethal or anyone besides Shelley and Starr are done with the PP, nothings gonna be changed. Theres not gonna be any more meaning or suspense behind Sonjay vs Senshi. Why would there be? Cause Sonjay was sticking his ass in peoples faces? Seriously guys its funny, but your going to far when you say its gonna save the X-Division... Well put.
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Post by KLRA on Dec 28, 2006 10:13:17 GMT -5
How about immediatly after this whole thing, some of the other people get resentful towards the winner and then try to prove that the entire PCS was a sham?
Seriously, here's a question: WHAT WAS SO AWESOME THAT TNA WAS DOING WITH THE X-DIVISION BEFORE THIS?!
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Post by tommyvercetti on Dec 28, 2006 10:22:54 GMT -5
How about immediatly after this whole thing, some of the other people get resentful towards the winner and then try to prove that the entire PCS was a sham? Seriously, here's a question: WHAT WAS SO AWESOME THAT TNA WAS DOING WITH THE X-DIVISION BEFORE THIS?! 5 minute matches featuring 84 wrestlers in one ring. They need the two hours to even have time to get these guys over. I see it like this..if Nash can get their personalities over now..when two hours does happen the fans will know and care when they start wrestling.
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Post by Shy Guy on Dec 28, 2006 10:40:02 GMT -5
How about immediatly after this whole thing, some of the other people get resentful towards the winner and then try to prove that the entire PCS was a sham? Seriously, here's a question: WHAT WAS SO AWESOME THAT TNA WAS DOING WITH THE X-DIVISION BEFORE THIS?! like, omg lone ranger! JACKASS WAS FUNNY! A BOWLING BALL TO THE BALLS? HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE HUMOR IN THAT? ITS FUN-EE! or something. i think some people laughed...i didn't.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 28, 2006 10:50:56 GMT -5
I believe that Kevin Nash is helping by giving all the X-divisioners a personality (except AJ, who actually needs it worst of all). however, helping these guys get a personality is only gonna bring it so far. these guys need to have actual matches that last more than 3 minutes with an actual story behind it to finally truely get the X div. on the map. (maybe a feud between the PCS guys and Serotonin perhaps?)
Nash is helping but the booking needs to be cleaned up
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Post by salTy on Dec 28, 2006 10:52:37 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone says. Jimmy Yang and Sonny Siaki in rinestone jumpsuits, fake sideburns, and giant, fake pompadors is AWESOME.
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 28, 2006 10:52:53 GMT -5
Three snarks who never watched TNA from 2002-2005, clearly.
Let's see: Jerry Lynn, Chris Sabin's first runs with the strap, the emrgence of A. J. Styles, the introduction of Samoa Joe and his reign, teh Styles/Daniels feuds, The Styles/Joe/Daniels feud...
Now you're getting a has-been who can't work a match (never could). It's as bad as the month long JACKASS promotion (and to use that as an example that - clearly you weren't watchigng TNA before then). No, it's actually worse, because htis has gone off/on (whenever Nash feigns another injury or bogus heart attack) FOR A f***ING YEAR.
It's okay if you want to be ignorant to justify your love of Nash. I expect that from his *ahem* "fans."
Now, if you want to talk actual X-division history, then I'm up for that.
If you like the Nash bits, good for you. It's definitely not good for the X-Divison, though. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 28, 2006 10:57:07 GMT -5
no offense, dude, but nobody was watching TNA then. not if they didn't want to pay $9.99 a week, they didn't. you have to keep it in context. a majority of the people who watch TNA now never heard of AJ Styles before last year, why should they give a shit about him right out the gate?
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Post by salTy on Dec 28, 2006 10:58:20 GMT -5
BTW, The X-Division is still putting on awesome matches. I don't see the problem. With all the stars TNA is trying to push right now in a one-hour show, a five minute spotfest with 8 X-Division guys isn't going to cut the mustard. Save the good stuff for PPVs while still giving them TV time in little comedy vignettes.
Very few are complaining, and the ones that are seem to have some personal vendetta against Kevin Nash. I repeat, the X-Division is STILL putting on great matches. They never stopped putting on good matches. A five minute spotfest with 8 guys is NOT a good match. Turning Point WAS a good match.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Dec 28, 2006 11:03:02 GMT -5
Three snarks who never watched TNA from 2002-2005, clearly. Let's see: Jerry Lynn, Chris Sabin's first runs with the strap, the emrgence of A. J. Styles, the introduction of Samoa Joe and his reign, teh Styles/Daniels feuds, The Styles/Joe/Daniels feud... Now you're getting a has-been who can't work a match (never could). It's as bad as the month long JACKASS promotion (and to use that as an example that - clearly you weren't watchigng TNA before then). No, it's actually worse, because htis has gone off/on (whenever Nash feigns another injury or bogus heart attack) FOR A hugING YEAR. It's okay if you want to be ignorant to justify your love of Nash. I expect that from his *ahem* "fans." Now, if you want to talk actual X-division history, then I'm up for that. If you like the Nash bits, good for you. It's definitely not good for the X-Divison, though. I'll leave it at that. People are giving their opinions..don't be a smartass. LoneRanger talked about what was going on in the x division right before this current angle involving Nash. The answers...multi wrestler matches...short matches...and Jackass tie ins were correct for that time frame. It's my OPINION that if having Nash put over their personalities now leads to actual fan intrest in their matches when they get two hours I'm all for it. I find the spots entertaining..and I'm not going to apologize for it. As for "fan"..damn right I'm a fan. I'd rather be a fan who is secure in their likes and dislikes then to be an arrogant smark who somehow thinks their opinions are worth than the people who somehow dont feel the same way toward certain segments as they do. Now...go show off your smarkness to people who actually give a s***..and allow us FANS to enjoy what we enjoy. Your taste in what constitutes a good wrestling program doesnt make you smarter or better...but thiking it does certainly makes you an assh***.
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Post by gabou142 on Dec 28, 2006 11:06:49 GMT -5
I think that giving them personalities like Nash is doing now will bring in more caual viewers than juste some 5 minutes spotfest with great wrestlers who just get throw there for no reason...and non, I didn't pay 10 bucks a week to see TNA in 2002, sorry, I'M talking about what I know of the X-division (and what most people know, sorry to disapoint you)
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Post by tommyvercetti on Dec 28, 2006 11:09:37 GMT -5
I thought the 5 minute spotfests were more like circus acts than wrestling matches anyway.
For the x division to be anything more than several no name guys doing cool looking moves for a small amount of time (to the casual fan) they need to
A. Build their personalities..(like with the Nash segments)..and
B.Give them time to work more than their quickie spotfest matches..(which will hopefully happen with more time.)
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Post by gabou142 on Dec 28, 2006 11:15:01 GMT -5
Well, I think that if they have more personalities, people will start caring about them, and TNA will have no choice but to give them more time...if we keep that in a logical perspective!
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Post by tommyvercetti on Dec 28, 2006 11:17:13 GMT -5
Well, I think that if they have more personalities, people will start caring about them, and TNA will have no choice but to give them more time...if we keep that in a logical perspective! I agree..but of course we're just fans..what do we know?
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 28, 2006 11:31:15 GMT -5
TNA pre-2005 is immaterial here. The booking of the X-Division since TNA moved to basic cable has, by and large, NOT been on par with the early days, and the PCS is, at the very least, an attempt to revive it by displaying the personalities of the men involved. Hell, before D'Amore's time as booker ended, the X-Division was dead in the water.
Now, here's the thing: there wouldn't be anything wrong with, every pay per view, and on some Impacts, having a "X-Division Exhibition" match between two, three, or even four guys. They could be matches without too much storyline buildup, etc.
HOWEVER, those matches should be the exception, and, beyond that, they SHOULD be used as potential launching points for new feuds, rivalries, furthering current storylines, etc.
They should also be used as a showcase of the wrestlers' personalities. Let them be funny, flamboyant, deathly serious, whatever the hell the situation calls for, let 'em do it.
Point is, don't just throw a bunch of guys in the ring and just tell them "GO!". Give what they're doing a purpose, even if the match doesn't have much buildup.
My hope is that the PCS, since it's letting these guys display their personalities more, will allow that to happen in the future.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Dec 28, 2006 12:09:21 GMT -5
Well, the first time Nash tried to help the X-Division he bailed when it was his turn to job to Sabin so I'm not 100% sold on his intentions this time. I find it a little worrying that these segments are supposed to be building up the X-Division but a majority of the segments revolve around Nash and how oh so funny he is.
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Post by hbk619 - QUACK! on Dec 28, 2006 12:56:57 GMT -5
As for "fan"..damn right I'm a fan. I'd rather be a fan who is secure in their likes and dislikes then to be an arrogant smark who somehow thinks their opinions are worth than the people who somehow dont feel the same way toward certain segments as they do. Now...go show off your smarkness to people who actually give a s***..and allow us FANS to enjoy what we enjoy.
Your taste in what constitutes a good wrestling program doesnt make you smarter or better...but thiking it does certainly makes you an asS****.
Well said.
and the PCS has made me interested in the x-division, sure i like flippy floppy, but it does help to have a reason to watch the match other than that. It's also help me sperate all the guys. Lethal and Dutt being the "cool" ones, Senshi being serious, Alex shelly being, well Shelley.
so IMO it is building the x-division
as is the sabin heel turn
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