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Post by Larryhausen on Dec 28, 2006 14:50:37 GMT -5
All I have to add to this conversation is this.
SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!!!
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Dec 28, 2006 14:51:09 GMT -5
Just my personal opinion, but Shark Boy needs to be involved in the PCS.
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Post by Corporate H on Dec 28, 2006 14:52:00 GMT -5
A little from column A, a little from column B.
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Post by Larryhausen on Dec 28, 2006 14:55:54 GMT -5
Just my personal opinion, but Shark Boy needs to be involved in the PCS. Nash: What, was your dad part of the Dungeon of Doom or something?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 28, 2006 14:57:07 GMT -5
One person who could actually be a big help to the division is a man by the name of Vince Russo. I didn't watch much TNA back in the day because I literally couldn't, but during that time period mentioned, wasn't Russo the booker? So maybe a lot of this stuff with Nash could also be part of the idea of Vince Russo. I mean, Russo is the man who helped give AJ Styles some character. Russo is the man who helped Chris Sabin become a great heel.
As for Kevin Nash, Nash isn't hurting the X-Division. How many matches has he had anyway? All he's been is the guy that Alex Shelly tries to get the attention of (which adds more depth to this character, as being someone who does need the respect and appreciation of someone who he appreciates), Austin Starr is put over because Kevin Nash thinks he's the greatest thing since sliced bread #2. Senshi gets put over because when he does all the tasks (or doesn't do them), nobody questions Senshi because Senshi will kick that person's head off. Jay Lethal is starting to become a more snarky and sarcastic Chris Jericho-esque type babyface, and Sonjay Dutt is becoming a goofy, yet insecure type babyface, which could help him when he has matches as people want him to get that confidence and it establishes an emotional connection.
I just described the personalities of all 5 of these men. One year ago, would anyone have been able to do the same? (besides saying "This guy is a wrestler who likes to wrestle").
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Post by STMP on Dec 28, 2006 14:59:00 GMT -5
I honestly felt that if the exact same angle were taking place the exact same way WITHOUT Kevin Nash involved people would be giving them more credit. No you're not getting it. Nobody is talking about the quality of the skits. This discussion is about wether or not they are helping the X-division. It doesn't matter if Nash is doing this or not. Fact is, take away Nash and you take out the heart of those skits. And the same would happen if it was someone else carrying it. I'll give a different example. A stable for example. If you put 5 wrestlers together, like The Spirit Squad. You'll have five guys working, getting over and being able to grow as wrestlers. That is a good thing. But end the stable and you'll need to think of five new angles for all of the members. With the Spirit Squad that only left Kenny without much of a gimmick. There are four guys who have nothing left to do, with one of them being a future star (Johnny) and another one who could be a very good mid-card comedy wrestler (Mikey).
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 28, 2006 15:03:24 GMT -5
I honestly felt that if the exact same angle were taking place the exact same way WITHOUT Kevin Nash involved people would be giving them more credit. No you're not getting it. Nobody is talking about the quality of the skits. This discussion is about wether or not they are helping the X-division. It doesn't matter if Nash is doing this or not. Fact is, take away Nash and you take out the heart of those skits. And the same would happen if it was someone else carrying it. I'll give a different example. A stable for example. If you put 5 wrestlers together, like The Spirit Squad. You'll have five guys working, getting over and being able to grow as wrestlers. That is a good thing. But end the stable and you'll need to think of five new angles for all of the members. With the Spirit Squad that only left Kenny without much of a gimmick. There are four guys who have nothing left to do, with one of them being a future star (Johnny) and another one who could be a very good mid-card comedy wrestler (Mikey). Your comments are worth repeating, but considering you're arguing with a bruised ego that felt the need to go and start ANOTHER Kevin Nash thread - I don't think he'll get it. He didn't even get " ;P " = a comment was a joke. I'll give Kevin Nash fans one thing: they're loyal. Mark David Chapman loyal.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 28, 2006 15:09:45 GMT -5
No you're not getting it. Nobody is talking about the quality of the skits. This discussion is about wether or not they are helping the X-division. It doesn't matter if Nash is doing this or not. Fact is, take away Nash and you take out the heart of those skits. And the same would happen if it was someone else carrying it. I'll give a different example. A stable for example. If you put 5 wrestlers together, like The Spirit Squad. You'll have five guys working, getting over and being able to grow as wrestlers. That is a good thing. But end the stable and you'll need to think of five new angles for all of the members. With the Spirit Squad that only left Kenny without much of a gimmick. There are four guys who have nothing left to do, with one of them being a future star (Johnny) and another one who could be a very good mid-card comedy wrestler (Mikey). Your comments are worth repeating, but considering you're arguing with a bruised ego that felt the need to go and start ANOTHER Kevin Nash thread - I don't think he'll get it. He didn't even get " ;P " = a comment was a joke. I'll give Kevin Nash fans one thing: they're loyal. Mark David Chapman loyal.People might not be huge Kevin Nash fans. They just might be giving credit where credit is due.
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 28, 2006 15:15:18 GMT -5
People might not be huge Kevin Nash fans. They just might be giving credit where credit is due. I give him credit: he's buried the second generation X-Division guys and got himself a payday and a spot and TV time though he's not relevant and has done nothing to really help the business or put anybody over - just like he did in WCW.
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Post by metalmike on Dec 28, 2006 15:19:06 GMT -5
IM on the side of the fence thats says that before these skits i thought that most of the X division guiys were all the same generic wrestlers. Sure they were good, but I had little reason to care.
Least now they have personalities. And frankly, the skits are so short, least it makes the show entertaining. Thats all that matters at this time. If the shows are entertainiing and then they have good matches on ppv, then there doing no wrong in my eyes.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 28, 2006 15:21:38 GMT -5
Kevin Nash did not kill the X-division, he really is making me get into the guys more.
Blaming him for TNA choosing not to do anything with the X-division after Joe basically killed the division killed it.
Sure they gave Low Ki a long run, but he did nothing for the title and nothing with the title.
Chris Sabin won it, lost it to AJ, who then lost it to Chris daniels, instead of building a fued with those 3 used to put Chris Sabin over, they shift AJ to a program with Rhino and bring Jerry Lynn out of retirement.
They have Petey williams fued with LAX, and then use the rest of the x-division guys in lame tag matches or just jobbing them out.
It's not Nash' fault that TNA chooses not to capitalize on their gaining of character as wisecrackers.
Seriously it's not.
TNA will just throw these guys out there for random spotastic matches and just let 'em be.
It's getting to be rediculous, there's so many options for TNA to book their big expansive roster, but they don't choose to do anything with most of the guys.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Dec 28, 2006 15:23:20 GMT -5
I honestly felt that if the exact same angle were taking place the exact same way WITHOUT Kevin Nash involved people would be giving them more credit. EXACTLY, so Kevin Nash ISN'T making the X-Division and is simply taking a spot, a check and TV time away from someone relevant! Thank you for agreeing with me! No..the point is if any other wrestler were playing the role Kevin Nash is this would not be an issue. It's the fact that people hate that man they cant give the fact that lots of people are finding the skits to be a postitve rub for the x division.
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Post by STMP on Dec 28, 2006 15:26:30 GMT -5
EXACTLY, so Kevin Nash ISN'T making the X-Division and is simply taking a spot, a check and TV time away from someone relevant! Thank you for agreeing with me! No..the point is if any other wrestler were playing the role Kevin Nash is this would not be an issue. It's the fact that people hate that man they cant give the fact that lots of people are finding the skits to be a postitve rub for the x division. Just read my reactions ok. That will clear up alot.
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 28, 2006 15:28:47 GMT -5
It's getting to be rediculous, there's so many options for TNA to book their big expansive roster, but they don't choose to do anything with most of the guys. Agreed. They risk fan burn out on the guys who are constantly pushed, especially those that really don't have their heart in the game, like Sting. To his credit, Sting doesn't hog up a lot of time on the program.... Like Kevin Nash, or the lost cause that is VKM.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Dec 28, 2006 15:28:53 GMT -5
[ No..my wife isnt stupid because she disagrees with your opinion, grow up. I didn't call your wife, "stupid." You just did. I made a joke of what I thought a "casual" viewer might say about the Nash division bit players. I am not a physician, this is true. However, I remember him taking a few bumps after he came back, and there has been no actual proof he has any "heart condition," just reports from TNA. Unless you are his physician you wouldn't know either way... Oh yes, Wrestlecrap is "the world." I base this on interaction with fans and with my own eyes and ears. Now, if a bear farts on wrestlecrap, does the world hear it? Does the world care? I like the w. crap forum and the main site, but it's not the universe, pal. It's a pebble in the brook. There isnt any proof he had a heart condition..but there also isnt any proof he did not. Some internet marks are full or more conpiracy theories than David Icke. No..WC isnt the world..but we do have people saying that Nash and his segments have increased their enjoyment of the x division. If you dont want to give him much credit..you have to give him some..unless for some reason you think those posters were lying.
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Post by tommyvercetti on Dec 28, 2006 15:31:44 GMT -5
I honestly felt that if the exact same angle were taking place the exact same way WITHOUT Kevin Nash involved people would be giving them more credit. No you're not getting it. Nobody is talking about the quality of the skits. This discussion is about wether or not they are helping the X-division. It doesn't matter if Nash is doing this or not. Fact is, take away Nash and you take out the heart of those skits. And the same would happen if it was someone else carrying it. I'll give a different example. A stable for example. If you put 5 wrestlers together, like The Spirit Squad. You'll have five guys working, getting over and being able to grow as wrestlers. That is a good thing. But end the stable and you'll need to think of five new angles for all of the members. With the Spirit Squad that only left Kenny without much of a gimmick. There are four guys who have nothing left to do, with one of them being a future star (Johnny) and another one who could be a very good mid-card comedy wrestler (Mikey). I am getting it. I have no problem with people thinking Nash is in the long run bad for the division..hey its an opinion. The fact is though you cant ignore the fact that people on this very forunm have said that he has increased their intrest in the division.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 28, 2006 15:33:36 GMT -5
It's getting to be rediculous, there's so many options for TNA to book their big expansive roster, but they don't choose to do anything with most of the guys. Agreed. The yrisk fa nburn out on the guys who are constantly psuhed, especially those that really don't ahve their heart in teh game, like Sting. To his credit, Stign doesn't hog up a lot of time on the program.... Like Kevin Nash, or the lost cause that is VKM. If you ever watched Impact, you'd notice that at least 1/3 of the show revolves around Sting. Kevin Nash's PCS segments take up about 2-4 minutes, tops. And as for VKM, well...I have nothing to say about them.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 28, 2006 15:35:05 GMT -5
It's getting to be rediculous, there's so many options for TNA to book their big expansive roster, but they don't choose to do anything with most of the guys. Agreed. The yrisk fa nburn out on the guys who are constantly psuhed, especially those that really don't ahve their heart in teh game, like Sting. To his credit, Stign doesn't hog up a lot of time on the program.... Like Kevin Nash, or the lost cause that is VKM. Kevin Nash goes in there with 5 other dudes right? So it's not just him it's also the guys in the skits. So far most of them have found a voice, and I like that. The the thing is, people are complaining about what happens after this? This is entirely up to Russo and Jarrett, not Kevin Nash. If They get two hours and give one of those hours to the X-division, then we might have something. Seriously Instead of doing a replay on Saturday, i'd show a seperate show.
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Post by STMP on Dec 28, 2006 15:39:44 GMT -5
No you're not getting it. Nobody is talking about the quality of the skits. This discussion is about wether or not they are helping the X-division. It doesn't matter if Nash is doing this or not. Fact is, take away Nash and you take out the heart of those skits. And the same would happen if it was someone else carrying it. I'll give a different example. A stable for example. If you put 5 wrestlers together, like The Spirit Squad. You'll have five guys working, getting over and being able to grow as wrestlers. That is a good thing. But end the stable and you'll need to think of five new angles for all of the members. With the Spirit Squad that only left Kenny without much of a gimmick. There are four guys who have nothing left to do, with one of them being a future star (Johnny) and another one who could be a very good mid-card comedy wrestler (Mikey). I am getting it. I have no problem with people thinking Nash is in the long run bad for the division..hey its an opinion. The fact is though you cant ignore the fact that people on this very forunm have said that he has increased their intrest in the division. Looking at the love that people have for Joe, Danielson, Sabin, Williams and Styles there already was a lot of interest for the division. Making Lethal and Dutt look interesting is just giving the jobbers some personality. That's ok, but different then actually making them future superstars which looks to be the opinion of people. The true talent of the X-Division are the guys I've just mentioned and they got over fine on their own.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Dec 28, 2006 15:39:45 GMT -5
I just think that people are way too forgiving of Nash, a guy with a history of self promotion, just because he's funny.
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