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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Aug 26, 2013 0:07:20 GMT -5
My favorite part was when Walt went to the carwash and, as soon as he got out of his car, he frantically ran to the front door, only to regain his composure and enter the carwash in a calm manner
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Post by Stu on Aug 26, 2013 0:07:43 GMT -5
And could someone remind me when the cigarette was taken?
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Aug 26, 2013 0:08:54 GMT -5
Is Jesse hallucinating at the end? Because how would he have gotten into Walt's house?
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Post by Stupidstuff on Aug 26, 2013 0:10:48 GMT -5
Is Jesse hallucinating at the end? Because how would he have gotten into Walt's house? He kicked the door down
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Aug 26, 2013 0:39:00 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I don't think Jesse dies in the next episode. I think they'd save something that big for closer to the end.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 1:08:40 GMT -5
Just watched the latest episode. I'm like, shaking right now. No TV show or movie has ever been as engrossing as this. Jesse's transformation has been absolutely heartbreaking and especially so in this episode. My loathing for Walt has escalated ten-fold off of this episode alone. I do not think I am equipped to handle: {Spoiler}The death of anyone but Walt at this point. Hank, Marie, Skyler (I know some might disagree there), Flynn, Holly, or Jesse. It's inevitable that one of them goes, in my opinion I'm fairly certain most of them will not live to see the end, I'm already just completely filled with dread with every passing minute. The best moment of this episode to me was Marie telling Walt "just kill yourself". That really is the only solution at this point.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 26, 2013 2:29:28 GMT -5
Marie was wearing a black dress in the restaurant? She always wears purple. Foreshadowing of death to someone?
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Post by y4j1981 on Aug 26, 2013 3:00:58 GMT -5
Is Jesse hallucinating at the end? Because how would he have gotten into Walt's house? they showed him kicking in the door
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Post by mizerable on Aug 26, 2013 3:47:11 GMT -5
I finally got caught up on watching the series... Being as I never watched it from the beginning, I didn't know what to expect with Jesse's character. The only insight I got over the last several seasons is what I got from the commercials, and most of those focus on Walter. I remember seeing Jesse in the commercials for season 1 and automatically assumed he was going to get murdered simply because I didn't see much of him in the later commercials. Yes, this IS Walter's show, but Jesse is right there on his trail, I would be bummed if Jesse doesn't at least make it to the end. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}In some ways, I think a lot of people are expecting Jesse to be not make it. I think it's been something on everyone's minds from the beginning, so in a way, I almost want to believe it's a fake out and he'll be the one to take out Walter. I don't see Hank doing it, but at least it makes more sense. Jesse has relapsed so many times that as much as I hate to see him die (and trust me, he's by FAR my favorite character, even from early on), it's probably inevitable since he's never going to find real happiness. Also, as much as people give credit to Cranston, I think Paul is a damn fine actor. I remember seeing him a long time ago in a bunch of very minor dopey roles in movies, so for him to show so much versatility in this one character is astounding. Adding to that, as Cranston has shown...I'm starting to believe that the true future to entertainment is going to come mostly from TV. I know that's a cliche thing to say, but what I mean from it, is over the last decade, and especially recently, a lot of shows have gotten much better treatment in terms of the writing and the ability to develop a story over the course of several seasons instead of blowing your load in one or two. I think it's going to have people a lot more engaged as opposed to movies, which if anything, might become serialized to get the same effect. Nonetheless, with how unsure of the movie industry is going, there is more certainty that you're going to grab more audiences with compelling TV.
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Post by CM Parish on Aug 26, 2013 4:51:43 GMT -5
Why are people saying certain people shouldn't die and they deserve to stay until the end?
This is the end.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves BBL Bayley on Aug 26, 2013 7:08:45 GMT -5
Aaron Paul has been the best actor of this season, even in having minimal dialogue. The desert scene last night was so, so awesome.
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Post by Perd on Aug 26, 2013 8:30:17 GMT -5
I think Walt made a big mistake making the confession tape. I think he gave hank the piece of evidence he needed. Hank already had all this circumstantial evidence that points to Walt. And I don't think Hank would have very much trouble proving Walt's accusations false. If hank was who Walt says he is, why would he need Walt to pay his medical bills? Surely, someone in partnership with Gus Fring would have the cash to pay his own bills. If he was Gus' partner, why would he have pursued him so diligently? I mean no one bought Fring as a drug kingpin, except for Hank. I'm surprised Hank doesn't realize that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 8:35:59 GMT -5
Also, as much as people give credit to Cranston, I think Paul is a damn fine actor. I remember seeing him a long time ago in a bunch of very minor dopey roles in movies, so for him to show so much versatility in this one character is astounding. Adding to that, as Cranston has shown...I'm starting to believe that the true future to entertainment is going to come mostly from TV. I know that's a cliche thing to say, but what I mean from it, is over the last decade, and especially recently, a lot of shows have gotten much better treatment in terms of the writing and the ability to develop a story over the course of several seasons instead of blowing your load in one or two. I think it's going to have people a lot more engaged as opposed to movies, which if anything, might become serialized to get the same effect. Nonetheless, with how unsure of the movie industry is going, there is more certainty that you're going to grab more audiences with compelling TV. See I'm a little more jaded now in that I don't have a lot of confidence that any TV show will ever come close to accomplishing what Breaking Bad accomplished. Breaking Bad could afford to be as cerebral as it was because the writers went in with a plan, there were tweaks along the way but they had a basic skeleton of what was to occur throughout the episode leading to Walt becoming a monster. I don't know that networks will learn from Breaking Bad in what made it so special. I always hear talk about how great Walking Dead or Game of Thrones are but I'm always so skeptical of actually giving my time to it because so frequently I see people get behind a show, then the show starts to peter out because it doesn't have an exit strategy and only continues to exist because it still gets ratings in spite of having nowhere else to go. I was pulled into Breaking Bad because it seems to have a beginning, middle, and end. I'm just not willing to submit myself to any show (comedies & wrestling excluded) that is just about setting up a premise and riding it until it isn't commercially viable anymore.
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Post by Ron Woodsman aka Shempaholic on Aug 26, 2013 8:56:09 GMT -5
I think Walt made a big mistake making the confession tape. I think he gave hank the piece of evidence he needed. Hank already had all this circumstantial evidence that points to Walt. And I don't think Hank would have very much trouble proving Walt's accusations false. If hank was who Walt says he is, why would he need Walt to pay his medical bills? Surely, someone in partnership with Gus Fring would have the cash to pay his own bills. If he was Gus' partner, why would he have pursued him so diligently? I mean no one bought Fring as a drug kingpin, except for Hank. I'm surprised Hank doesn't realize that. Walt said in the tape that Hank and Gus had a falling out. This led to Gus taking a hit out on Hank. After Hank recovered, he pursued Fring as revenge. Unable to convince his DEA colleagues of Fring's guilt, he had his poor, innocent brother-in-law Walt to make a bomb for him. As for not paying his own medical bills, perhaps Hank kept his dirty money in a storage bin, and Gus managed to steal it all, leaving Hank broke and unable to pay his bills. He then forced his poor, innocent brother-in-law Walt to pay the bills for him. I loved Walt's confession. It seems much more plausible than what actually happened. Hank seems screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 9:09:01 GMT -5
Also, as much as people give credit to Cranston, I think Paul is a damn fine actor. I remember seeing him a long time ago in a bunch of very minor dopey roles in movies, so for him to show so much versatility in this one character is astounding. Adding to that, as Cranston has shown...I'm starting to believe that the true future to entertainment is going to come mostly from TV. I know that's a cliche thing to say, but what I mean from it, is over the last decade, and especially recently, a lot of shows have gotten much better treatment in terms of the writing and the ability to develop a story over the course of several seasons instead of blowing your load in one or two. I think it's going to have people a lot more engaged as opposed to movies, which if anything, might become serialized to get the same effect. Nonetheless, with how unsure of the movie industry is going, there is more certainty that you're going to grab more audiences with compelling TV. I don't think it's a cliché, I think it's an astute statement. There's a lot of reasons why TV will prevail over cinema in the long-term. TV lets us tell stories that movies cannot. A three hour movie is simply too long to maintain interest all at once, and a two hour movie is often far too short. Most great television series have dozens of hours of material (plot, character development, etc.), which no movie can ever match. TV costs far less over the course of a run because of the much smaller budget and the featuring of journeyman actors and actresses rather than A-listers. Journeymen are equally talented (often more talented) but cost a fraction of the money. Outfitted with good writers, they give you the most bang for your buck. There's also the much lower risk of producing a TV series. If it's a failure, you can catch it early and cancel it. It may not have succeeded, but the costs are insignificant compared to what a box office bomb will do to a studio, since even if you spend a lot, you're only paying in segments. As movies take so long to film and produce and cost so much, it's one big block all at once. Any movie is a huge gamble to make. And if one episode of an established show sours critics and/or fans, there's always the next one where you can make amends. With a movie, all future releases in that franchise are probably DOA.
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Post by Perd on Aug 26, 2013 9:16:20 GMT -5
I think Walt made a big mistake making the confession tape. I think he gave hank the piece of evidence he needed. Hank already had all this circumstantial evidence that points to Walt. And I don't think Hank would have very much trouble proving Walt's accusations false. If hank was who Walt says he is, why would he need Walt to pay his medical bills? Surely, someone in partnership with Gus Fring would have the cash to pay his own bills. If he was Gus' partner, why would he have pursued him so diligently? I mean no one bought Fring as a drug kingpin, except for Hank. I'm surprised Hank doesn't realize that. Walt said in the tape that Hank and Gus had a falling out. This led to Gus taking a hit out on Hank. After Hank recovered, he pursued Fring as revenge. Unable to convince his DEA colleagues of Fring's guilt, he had his poor, innocent brother-in-law Walt to make a bomb for him. As for not paying his own medical bills, perhaps Hank kept his dirty money in a storage bin, and Gus managed to steal it all, leaving Hank broke and unable to pay his bills. He then forced his poor, innocent brother-in-law Walt to pay the bills for him. I loved Walt's confession. It seems much more plausible than what actually happened. Hank seems screwed. Why would hank risk Gus being arrested. Don't you think Gus would mention "Hey, that guy who alerted you about me, is my partner." I understand the confession. It was probably Walt's only play. But everything he said was hearsay. Hypothetically, if both went to a third party, with their accusations. Whose story would be more plausible? The former chemistry teacher, who suddenly has all this money. Or the DEA agent who had been doggedly pursuing his supposed partner. It's a case of he said/he said and in my opinion Hanks story is more believable.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 26, 2013 10:02:08 GMT -5
Goddamn, Walt's such a manipulative bastard! And yet, I still love him for it!
And I legitimately felt sorry for Jesse in that desert scene. He really put on a great show with that degree of emotion, and then again the sheer rage. The beatdown was sick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 11:49:02 GMT -5
Walt said in the tape that Hank and Gus had a falling out. This led to Gus taking a hit out on Hank. After Hank recovered, he pursued Fring as revenge. Unable to convince his DEA colleagues of Fring's guilt, he had his poor, innocent brother-in-law Walt to make a bomb for him. As for not paying his own medical bills, perhaps Hank kept his dirty money in a storage bin, and Gus managed to steal it all, leaving Hank broke and unable to pay his bills. He then forced his poor, innocent brother-in-law Walt to pay the bills for him. I loved Walt's confession. It seems much more plausible than what actually happened. Hank seems screwed. Why would hank risk Gus being arrested. Don't you think Gus would mention "Hey, that guy who alerted you about me, is my partner." I understand the confession. It was probably Walt's only play. But everything he said was hearsay. Hypothetically, if both went to a third party, with their accusations. Whose story would be more plausible? The former chemistry teacher, who suddenly has all this money. Or the DEA agent who had been doggedly pursuing his supposed partner. It's a case of he said/he said and in my opinion Hanks story is more believable. Too much is at stake I think for Hank to leave it to a he said/she said 50/50 scenario. Even if Hank avoids jail time and clears his name of any involvement in the meth operation, the information he withheld and the drug money that went into Hank's recovery, it's enough to cost him his career. Of course to the viewer it seems pretty cut and dry, they didn't know where the money came from, they didn't know Walt was Heisenberg, and that's plain to see for us because we've seen what happened. But if this were a real story and we only knew what would come out after Hank theoretically arrests Walt and takes this to court, I don't think it would be as easy to decipher, and Hank would come out with his hands somewhat dirty. If Hank's end-game is putting Walter in prison no matter what, then arresting him without sufficient evidence would probably do it. But Walt is 100% guilty, Hank is 100% innocent, and if I'm in Hank's shoes, I know Walt's Heisenberg without a single doubt but have nothing to show for it, why leave it to chance?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 14:09:59 GMT -5
And could someone remind me when the cigarette was taken? I finally got caught up on watching the series... Being as I never watched it from the beginning, I didn't know what to expect with Jesse's character. The only insight I got over the last several seasons is what I got from the commercials, and most of those focus on Walter. I remember seeing Jesse in the commercials for season 1 and automatically assumed he was going to get murdered simply because I didn't see much of him in the later commercials. Yes, this IS Walter's show, but Jesse is right there on his trail, I would be bummed if Jesse doesn't at least make it to the end. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}In some ways, I think a lot of people are expecting Jesse to be not make it. I think it's been something on everyone's minds from the beginning, so in a way, I almost want to believe it's a fake out and he'll be the one to take out Walter. I don't see Hank doing it, but at least it makes more sense. Jesse has relapsed so many times that as much as I hate to see him die (and trust me, he's by FAR my favorite character, even from early on), it's probably inevitable since he's never going to find real happiness. Also, as much as people give credit to Cranston, I think Paul is a damn fine actor. I remember seeing him a long time ago in a bunch of very minor dopey roles in movies, so for him to show so much versatility in this one character is astounding. Adding to that, as Cranston has shown...I'm starting to believe that the true future to entertainment is going to come mostly from TV. I know that's a cliche thing to say, but what I mean from it, is over the last decade, and especially recently, a lot of shows have gotten much better treatment in terms of the writing and the ability to develop a story over the course of several seasons instead of blowing your load in one or two. I think it's going to have people a lot more engaged as opposed to movies, which if anything, might become serialized to get the same effect. Nonetheless, with how unsure of the movie industry is going, there is more certainty that you're going to grab more audiences with compelling TV. Funny thing was Jesse was suppose to die in season 1's finale to further Walt's guilt. But they were so impressed by his chemistry with Bryan Cranston they kept him on. The other reason I heard was because of the WGA strike, they didn't have time to kill him off so they kept him around I heard. The WGA strike was the reason why season one was so short.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2013 14:14:11 GMT -5
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