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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 13, 2013 4:57:26 GMT -5
Didn't they call her Moose Knuckles whilst she was in TNA? Great show of maturity. I thought it was... Mickey "Moose" Knuckles, but I could be wrong, it's been awhile.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 13, 2013 5:08:38 GMT -5
A member here is a wrestler and she has teamed with Mickie a few times, had nothing but nice things to say about Mickie.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 13, 2013 5:14:39 GMT -5
A member here is a wrestler and she has teamed with Mickie a few times, had nothing but nice things to say about Mickie. Of course she does. I mean, it's not like Mickey gave me a sombrerocam, or something to spy on people.... I mean what? Can you repeat that? But louder, and into my lapel?
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Post by SOR on Aug 13, 2013 5:29:17 GMT -5
Didn't they call her Moose Knuckles whilst she was in TNA? Great show of maturity. She was known just as Moose.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Aug 13, 2013 8:53:13 GMT -5
Didn't they call her Moose Knuckles whilst she was in TNA? Great show of maturity. She was called Mickie Knuckles in her 1st appearance, then just called Moose after that. This was back when TNA would rename every female wrestler. Fun fact though: Mickie Knuckles is actually her real name.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 13, 2013 9:37:13 GMT -5
She chose to keep working indies. As a pro she knew the risks and rolled the dice. KO's not named Velvet, Christy or Gale weren't paid squat. But Mickie was also new and hadn't proved out so money was not going to be that good. It would be steady and that is a damn sight better than most Indy workers. She got hurt. That sucks. But she also could have worked her ass off to get back and maybe gotten a shot in ROH or TNA again later. I never saw much in her. Same with Rosie. Good hand in the ring in Micie's case, but she had no dynamic. Rosie was awful between the ropes but legit had a gimmick that might have gotten over. She was over the top and in wrestling you have to have that. Christopher Danials is a great worker but languished for yrs because he had no color. The last two yrs he found something and kept adding to it and now he getting attention he never got. Ultimate warrior had the larger than life persona but was the drizzling shits in the ring. Yet he will likely go into the HOF sometime the next few yrs. HBK, HHH, Flair, Austin, Rock, Hart, Piper all had both in ring talent and charisma. The IT factor. Mickie lacked for the one while in TNA so they likely said "ok get better and develop something and we will look at you again" You took a thread on Mickie Knuckles and turned into a rant against the indies...why?
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Post by ratetankmark on Aug 13, 2013 9:51:23 GMT -5
She chose to keep working indies. As a pro she knew the risks and rolled the dice. KO's not named Velvet, Christy or Gale weren't paid squat. But Mickie was also new and hadn't proved out so money was not going to be that good. It would be steady and that is a damn sight better than most Indy workers. She got hurt. That sucks. But she also could have worked her ass off to get back and maybe gotten a shot in ROH or TNA again later. I never saw much in her. Same with Rosie. Good hand in the ring in Micie's case, but she had no dynamic. Rosie was awful between the ropes but legit had a gimmick that might have gotten over. She was over the top and in wrestling you have to have that. Christopher Danials is a great worker but languished for yrs because he had no color. The last two yrs he found something and kept adding to it and now he getting attention he never got. Ultimate warrior had the larger than life persona but was the drizzling shits in the ring. Yet he will likely go into the HOF sometime the next few yrs. HBK, HHH, Flair, Austin, Rock, Hart, Piper all had both in ring talent and charisma. The IT factor. Mickie lacked for the one while in TNA so they likely said "ok get better and develop something and we will look at you again"
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Post by SOR on Aug 13, 2013 15:35:08 GMT -5
She chose to keep working indies. As a pro she knew the risks and rolled the dice. KO's not named Velvet, Christy or Gale weren't paid squat. But Mickie was also new and hadn't proved out so money was not going to be that good. It would be steady and that is a damn sight better than most Indy workers. She got hurt. That sucks. But she also could have worked her ass off to get back and maybe gotten a shot in ROH or TNA again later. I never saw much in her. Same with Rosie. Good hand in the ring in Micie's case, but she had no dynamic. Rosie was awful between the ropes but legit had a gimmick that might have gotten over. She was over the top and in wrestling you have to have that. Christopher Danials is a great worker but languished for yrs because he had no color. The last two yrs he found something and kept adding to it and now he getting attention he never got. Ultimate warrior had the larger than life persona but was the drizzling shits in the ring. Yet he will likely go into the HOF sometime the next few yrs. HBK, HHH, Flair, Austin, Rock, Hart, Piper all had both in ring talent and charisma. The IT factor. Mickie lacked for the one while in TNA so they likely said "ok get better and develop something and we will look at you again" You took a thread on Mickie Knuckles and turned into a rant against the indies...why? ICBM is right though.
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Post by ICBM on Aug 13, 2013 16:54:37 GMT -5
Dude, I was not ranting against the indies
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 13, 2013 17:33:45 GMT -5
You took a thread on Mickie Knuckles and turned into a rant against the indies...why? ICBM is right though. You just couldn't help yourself, could you?
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 13, 2013 18:31:21 GMT -5
Dude, I was not ranting against the indies She was let go because of her injuries. Not because of a lack of 'it' factor. It was a pretty freaking gnarly broken leg that required two surgeries, they left a spot open for her, but the recovery time was too long and she hurt herself at an IWA-MS event. Plus this brought up a bunch of personal issues between her and Rotten, so I fail to see it being an 'it' factor, because honestly her redneck wreckingball character had a spark of something. Having her in intergender tags, and the male opponents showing legitimate fear of the deranged ginger came across as believable.
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Post by ICBM on Aug 13, 2013 20:54:47 GMT -5
Dude, I was not ranting against the indies She was let go because of her injuries. Not because of a lack of 'it' factor. It was a pretty freaking gnarly broken leg that required two surgeries, they left a spot open for her, but the recovery time was too long and she hurt herself at an IWA-MS event. Plus this brought up a bunch of personal issues between her and Rotten, so I fail to see it being an 'it' factor, because honestly her redneck wreckingball character had a spark of something. Having her in intergender tags, and the male opponents showing legitimate fear of the deranged ginger came across as believable. I'm not breaking down my entire post again, but I addressed your concern. It was not only the lack of it. She got hurt and didn't have it at the time so they cut losses.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 13, 2013 22:01:32 GMT -5
She was let go because of her injuries. Not because of a lack of 'it' factor. It was a pretty freaking gnarly broken leg that required two surgeries, they left a spot open for her, but the recovery time was too long and she hurt herself at an IWA-MS event. Plus this brought up a bunch of personal issues between her and Rotten, so I fail to see it being an 'it' factor, because honestly her redneck wreckingball character had a spark of something. Having her in intergender tags, and the male opponents showing legitimate fear of the deranged ginger came across as believable. I'm not breaking down my entire post again, but I addressed your concern. It was not only the lack of it. She got hurt and didn't have it at the time so they cut losses. Again? I didn't see you expanding on it a first time apart from just the post, if I missed something I do apologize, what was relied on was the 'It' factor. Which is as vague and undefinable concept as anything else. And is such poor prima fascie case as to be begging for me to go all Ivan Drago on it. However let's go to her specifically: 2 Year Recovery time, for a NON-CONTRACTED wrestler. Also from Wiki (reliable as it is): Now all the information I can find was she still wasn't signed to anything more than a per appearance deal, as the were working on negotiating an actual contract. So this wasn't a matter of her being it, this a matter of a HUGELY unsuccessful first surgery, and then an overall 2 year healing process, because it was a broken femur, plus unsuccessful surgery, that she was told worked, and she was good to go. So as a per event worker, who was justifiably getting a lower end amount, prior to TNA really locking down their contracted talent, this really had nothing to do with an 'it' factor This was bad luck. TNA had ever right to move on from something that they didn't have a timeline for, and caused additional personal issues to arise with her. So all of that, makes me disagree with your assertion, because I feel it is based on a subjective take on her, rather than an objective look at what happened.
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Post by ICBM on Aug 14, 2013 9:45:35 GMT -5
If she had IT, they could or might have waited for her. If she was something really appealing and new and if they thought she was worth the wait.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 14, 2013 12:25:49 GMT -5
TNA wasn't going to wait for Mickie Knuckles. Once they got word her injury was going to set her back even more, they moved on. No amount of it factor was going to make them wait for her. Especially if there's was a chance she may not even return back to the ring.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Aug 14, 2013 15:17:53 GMT -5
If she had IT, they could or might have waited for her. If she was something really appealing and new and if they thought she was worth the wait. That is still grossly illogical. She wasn't under an actual contract. At best she was ancilliary to their plans, at best. In two years those plans had moved on, the creative team had changed. Or shifted, or whatever. A career threatening injury that knocks you out of wrestling for 2 years at the beginning of anyone's televised wrestling career would have cost them. That is actually something arguable. Using 'IT' as your entire point means that your argument is in assailable because you can't quantify what you are arguing about. Certainly no one else can. And further you have no proof that is what TNA thought, you are using wild conjecture. That is sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'La la la la la I can't hear you!' to the sound of reason.
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Post by ICBM on Aug 14, 2013 15:57:16 GMT -5
Ok man.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 11:33:58 GMT -5
I was told by someone in the know that during the time she was on TNA, rather than drawing a paycheck, she was working off the IWA-MS debt to the TNA talent bookings department, resulting from IWA-MS's bounced checks to TNA talent which had Mickie's name on them (Ian Rotten didn't have his own bank account at the time, for obvious reasons). They just never took her on as a regular employee after the injury.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 20, 2013 17:25:06 GMT -5
Didn't they call her Moose Knuckles whilst she was in TNA? Great show of maturity. She was called Mickie Knuckles in her 1st appearance, then just called Moose after that. This was back when TNA would rename every female wrestler. Fun fact though: Mickie Knuckles is actually her real name. I'd like to imagine she is related to Captain K'nuckles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 17:44:54 GMT -5
Didn't they call her Moose Knuckles whilst she was in TNA? Great show of maturity. I thought it was... Mickey "Moose" Knuckles, but I could be wrong, it's been awhile. From what I remember, she was just "Moose." The joke came from whomever knew what her last name was, which I don't think was ever said on the air. It was bad luck what seemed to happened to her though. I thought she was a really interesting member of The Beautiful People, even though I think at the time TBP never officially admitted it, she might as well have been. Moose stood out pretty well.
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