HBL
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Post by HBL on Aug 15, 2013 17:30:02 GMT -5
Good for him,admire his courage to speak out.
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fw91
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Post by fw91 on Aug 15, 2013 17:54:17 GMT -5
a) it is a big deal b) I doesn't really make a difference to me. Wasn't a big PTP player fan before this, nor will I be after.
Having said this, and I apologize if this is gonna rub people the right way, but I don't know if I can completely buy this. Idk it just seems too conveinent that the tmz reporter would ask about gay wrestlers and have one standing right before him. Of course maybe it was pre-planned. I mean is Darren Young that famous for TMZ to interview otherwise? I mean its not like it was Cena, Punk or any other non-jobber. I know i sound like a looney conspiracy theorist but i think its too much of a conincidence
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 15, 2013 17:59:09 GMT -5
He's the first gay wrestler to ever currently wrestle in the ring, leading to many other people who like the same sex not shy to put on their wrestling boots. It is a big deal. lol most people don't think like this person. Believe it or not, most people are not homophobes. You realize a lot of women have to change in the same areas as men at indy shows, right? Believe it or not, 99.9999% of homosexuals are not ragging perverts. If it concerns you THAT much, then you might be gay yourself. and if you are, good for you! So me saying I hope WWE doesn't mention it makes me homophobic? Did you read the rest of my post? Hoping it's the first of many within the industry to come out? If WWE mention it and move towards a tasteless angle it could prevent people from being open in the future. So jog on.
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Jeremy
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 15, 2013 17:59:13 GMT -5
While its probably been known within the locker room for many years that there were homosexual performers and we know of some of them (Patterson, Lombardi, etc...), the general casual viewing audience probably has no idea who Pat Patterson or Steve "Brooklyn Brawler" Lombardi are and it would be news to them. This will be a litmus test to see how respectful the crowds are towards an openly homosexual performer regardless of how Darren Young is portrayed assuming they do nothing to change D-Young. The big deal isn't that Darren is gay, its how unpredictable the crowd's reaction is. There's bound to be some drunk guys in the audience that will throw every slur known to man at Darren, but will the rest of the audience feed off of that or be respectful? Wrestling fans tend to be a different breed of fan in some situations and I'm hoping for WWE and Darren's sake that the audience stays classy. Brooklyn Brawler is married, to a woman.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 15, 2013 18:00:42 GMT -5
Being gay is not a big deal. It really shouldn't be a big deal. I'm coming out heterosexual. Where's my thread? It shouldn't be a big deal, true, but since we're still at a point where some people think LGBT individuals deserve to die, it'll sadly remain a big deal. Fairly quickly?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 18:01:07 GMT -5
Of all the idiotic threads we have come through this site, this is the one that doesn't deserve to exist. Okay... Being gay is not a big deal. It really shouldn't be a big deal. I'm coming out heterosexual. Where's my thread? Dude, I don't know if you realize the significance, but...you know a fictional character named Michael Scott said nearly the same thing (very much the same logic) when he accidentally outed an employee at his job after he called him a homophobic slur. I shouldn't be getting flashes of Michael Scott in a topic like this.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Aug 15, 2013 18:02:00 GMT -5
This was posted earlier, but I just saw Bret Hart's Facebook post, same as on Twitter.
It's nice that Bret's being supportive of everyone, but I have to say...really? WWE's treatment of LGBT has always struck me as...awkward. Like with Pat Patterson, for example; on one hand, they would always treat him backstage without any prejudice and value him simply as a man and a wrestling mind, yet at times when he'd go onscreen, there'd constantly be an eye-roll inducing "*nudge, nudge, wink, wink* Hey, fans, did you know this guy sleeps with dudes? Ha ha! Uh, not that there's anything wrong with that..." attitude.
Or Billy and Chuck. "Huh huh, they wear bright red tights and do erotic stretches with each other have a flamboyant stylist! What a couple of weirdos! But wait...we're going to make history by having the first same sex couple and wedding live on Smackdown! Yes, we're serious! We're really gonna do this...okay, we're sorry, they're not really gay. Uh, hope we didn't get anyone's hopes up or anything..."
I think Vince and everyone else are well-intentioned, but stumble over prejudice and awkwardness just like anyone else. I don't think they're that much more progressive as the rest of American culture.
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Post by Digital Witness on Aug 15, 2013 18:02:14 GMT -5
While its probably been known within the locker room for many years that there were homosexual performers and we know of some of them (Patterson, Lombardi, etc...), the general casual viewing audience probably has no idea who Pat Patterson or Steve "Brooklyn Brawler" Lombardi are and it would be news to them. This will be a litmus test to see how respectful the crowds are towards an openly homosexual performer regardless of how Darren Young is portrayed assuming they do nothing to change D-Young. The big deal isn't that Darren is gay, its how unpredictable the crowd's reaction is. There's bound to be some drunk guys in the audience that will throw every slur known to man at Darren, but will the rest of the audience feed off of that or be respectful? Wrestling fans tend to be a different breed of fan in some situations and I'm hoping for WWE and Darren's sake that the audience stays classy. Brooklyn Brawler is married, to a woman. I sit corrected. I think I got that info from here once upon a time and never verified it. My bad.
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Post by PKO on Aug 15, 2013 18:02:23 GMT -5
While its probably been known within the locker room for many years that there were homosexual performers and we know of some of them (Patterson, Lombardi, etc...), the general casual viewing audience probably has no idea who Pat Patterson or Steve "Brooklyn Brawler" Lombardi are and it would be news to them. This will be a litmus test to see how respectful the crowds are towards an openly homosexual performer regardless of how Darren Young is portrayed assuming they do nothing to change D-Young. The big deal isn't that Darren is gay, its how unpredictable the crowd's reaction is. There's bound to be some drunk guys in the audience that will throw every slur known to man at Darren, but will the rest of the audience feed off of that or be respectful? Wrestling fans tend to be a different breed of fan in some situations and I'm hoping for WWE and Darren's sake that the audience stays classy. Brooklyn Brawler is married, to a woman. And what a woman!
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 15, 2013 18:03:30 GMT -5
This was posted earlier, but I just saw Bret Hart's Facebook post, same as on Twitter. It's nice that Bret's being supportive of everyone, but I have to say...really? WWE's treatment of LGBT has always struck me as...awkward. Like with Pat Patterson, for example; on one hand, they would always treat him backstage without any prejudice and value him simply as a man and a wrestling mind, yet at times when he'd go onscreen, there'd constantly be an eye-roll inducing "*nudge, nudge, wink, wink* Hey, fans, did you know this guy sleeps with dudes? Ha ha! Uh, not that there's anything wrong with that..." attitude. Or Billy and Chuck. "Huh huh, they wear bright red tights and do erotic stretches with each other have a flamboyant stylist! What a couple of weirdos! But wait...we're going to make history by having the first same sex couple and wedding live on Smackdown! Yes, we're serious! We're really gonna do this...okay, we're sorry, they're not really gay. Uh, hope we didn't get anyone's hopes up or anything..." I think Vince and everyone else are well-intentioned, but stumble over prejudice and awkwardness just like anyone else. I don't think they're that much more progressive as the rest of American culture. Back stage? Probably correct.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Aug 15, 2013 18:09:24 GMT -5
I bet the people screaming "What's the big deal?" are the same type of people who scream:
"What's the big deal about race? No one's racist anymore! it shouldn't matter! We're all the same now! IT'S (insert year)!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 18:12:16 GMT -5
I had a really good friend come out earlier this year, and he was so happy about it. He said it was this huge weight off of his shoulders. I'm glad D. Young gets to have that feeling now.
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Sam Punk
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Post by Sam Punk on Aug 15, 2013 18:12:41 GMT -5
They should do a storyline where AJ falls in love with him, and will not take no for an answer.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 15, 2013 18:20:33 GMT -5
I like how the interviewer asks him about gay wrestlers in WWE and then when Young tells him he's gay the interviewer's like "Oh shit..."
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 15, 2013 18:24:02 GMT -5
This was posted earlier, but I just saw Bret Hart's Facebook post, same as on Twitter. It's nice that Bret's being supportive of everyone, but I have to say...really? WWE's treatment of LGBT has always struck me as...awkward. Like with Pat Patterson, for example; on one hand, they would always treat him backstage without any prejudice and value him simply as a man and a wrestling mind, yet at times when he'd go onscreen, there'd constantly be an eye-roll inducing "*nudge, nudge, wink, wink* Hey, fans, did you know this guy sleeps with dudes? Ha ha! Uh, not that there's anything wrong with that..." attitude. Or Billy and Chuck. "Huh huh, they wear bright red tights and do erotic stretches with each other have a flamboyant stylist! What a couple of weirdos! But wait...we're going to make history by having the first same sex couple and wedding live on Smackdown! Yes, we're serious! We're really gonna do this...okay, we're sorry, they're not really gay. Uh, hope we didn't get anyone's hopes up or anything..." I think Vince and everyone else are well-intentioned, but stumble over prejudice and awkwardness just like anyone else. I don't think they're that much more progressive as the rest of American culture. To be fair, pro wrestling probably means backstage. Same thing with the military, in a sense; you see these people more than you see your family, so after some time, they become part of your family. As a result, you come around much quicker than, say, people of higher rank (or in Stamford, in WWE's case) who aren't around them the way you are. Also, unCreative has a shitty record all around. See also, characters like Umaga as recent as 2007.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 15, 2013 18:25:32 GMT -5
Zack Ryder: "Guys? Guys? I'm gay too can I get a push also?" Vince: "Shut up whiner no one likes you." *kicks Ryder in shins* Ryder: "Aw man..." I want to see a match where Zack hits the Rough Ryder on Darren, and then Darren no sells it and starts a ONE MORE TIME chant.
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Strotha
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Post by Strotha on Aug 15, 2013 18:33:56 GMT -5
Pat Patterson Chris Kanyon Orlando Jordan Darren Young Who's next? Orlando Jordan is bi.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 18:37:10 GMT -5
Brooklyn Brawler is married, to a woman. I sit corrected. I think I got that info from here once upon a time and never verified it. My bad. That's one of those rumors floating around forever. The rumor of him being gay and keeping his job for so long because of it, and the never ending "Pat Patterson likes him" line.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 15, 2013 18:42:17 GMT -5
I've got a bad wrestling mind set. Maybe the Prime Time Players can get some sort of push from this. Check out the win/loss records for this year.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 15, 2013 18:49:05 GMT -5
a) it is a big deal b) I doesn't really make a difference to me. Wasn't a big PTP player fan before this, nor will I be after. Having said this, and I apologize if this is gonna rub people the right way, but I don't know if I can completely buy this. Idk it just seems too conveinent that the tmz reporter would ask about gay wrestlers and have one standing right before him. Of course maybe it was pre-planned. I mean is Darren Young that famous for TMZ to interview otherwise? I mean its not like it was Cena, Punk or any other non-jobber. I know i sound like a looney conspiracy theorist but i think its too much of a conincidence This. It was more scripted than Total Divas.
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