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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 17, 2013 20:55:40 GMT -5
I still think he's a bad wrestler. I still can right? You still can, although honestly he isn't. Ring wise, he's solid, he just doesn't really stand out in any way. He's still pretty charismatic, although not as much as Titus.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 17, 2013 21:02:14 GMT -5
Tony: "To hear you come on and bash my masturbation skills? Come on. I've had to do a lot of crazy things in my life, Mrs. Schivone, including putting your ass over in bed!" Tony: "Honey. Take a good look at what your missing out. This will be the last time you ever get to experience Thunder in Paradise." *Tony does Rick Rude taunt*Tony, kicked out of his house goes over to Mike Tenay's when he finds an orgy getting ready to go down. Tenay:Here comes Tony! Heenan: Yeah, but whose side will he be on?
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 17, 2013 21:08:02 GMT -5
I'm just going to say this...
It wouldn't surprise me if he's using this as a way to Zack Ryder himself a push. (ie: He wasn't getting pushed, felt like he deserved it, conveniently there happened to be someone from TMZ right at the location he was at and just happened to ask him about being gay, and right at that second Darren decided to announce he was gay)
He figured coming out like he did would cause WWE to push him (and maybe Titus) due to the good publicity they would receive.
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Post by Lancers on Aug 17, 2013 23:05:43 GMT -5
It's not a foregone conclusion they're becoming tag team champs because of this. I mean, I'm not discounting that from happening, but I don't believe for a second this will elevate Darren Young beyond the midcard. He's simply not main event material. And the WWE obviously knows that.
So IF he were to get elevated to headling PPVs or being built as a credible Heavyweight/WWE Championship contender, then yeah I would join in the chorus that this is the WWE being exploitative for publicity.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 17, 2013 23:13:53 GMT -5
I'm just going to say this... It wouldn't surprise me if he's using this as a way to Zack Ryder himself a push. (ie: He wasn't getting pushed, felt like he deserved it, conveniently there happened to be someone from TMZ right at the location he was at and just happened to ask him about being gay, and right at that second Darren decided to announce he was gay) He figured coming out like he did would cause WWE to push him (and maybe Titus) due to the good publicity they would receive. Who gives a shit? We have finally have an openly gay wrestler in the largest wrestling company in the world, a company which has turned around and been nothing but supportive. This is bigger than whether or not Young wants a push. This is history. Our kids are going to grow up and not have to read a single "could a serious gay ______ work" thread on a wrestling forum in their lives.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 17, 2013 23:33:49 GMT -5
I'm just going to say this... It wouldn't surprise me if he's using this as a way to Zack Ryder himself a push. (ie: He wasn't getting pushed, felt like he deserved it, conveniently there happened to be someone from TMZ right at the location he was at and just happened to ask him about being gay, and right at that second Darren decided to announce he was gay) He figured coming out like he did would cause WWE to push him (and maybe Titus) due to the good publicity they would receive. I expect this to get the PTPs a face turn, a feud with the Real Americans, and at least a few months of appearing on RAW every week and actually getting mic time again, but they'll both need to step their game up a lot if they want to make it beyond that. It IS a career move in the sense that Darren Young's earned himself an opportunity, but it's still an opportunity he'll need to capitalize on, not a free pass into the main event.
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Post by suave on Aug 17, 2013 23:53:29 GMT -5
Is it weird that the first thing that popped into my head watching the thing on Ellen was "HAHA HIS NAME IS FRED!"?
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Post by kamero00 on Aug 18, 2013 3:17:39 GMT -5
I'm just going to say this... It wouldn't surprise me if he's using this as a way to Zack Ryder himself a push. (ie: He wasn't getting pushed, felt like he deserved it, conveniently there happened to be someone from TMZ right at the location he was at and just happened to ask him about being gay, and right at that second Darren decided to announce he was gay) He figured coming out like he did would cause WWE to push him (and maybe Titus) due to the good publicity they would receive. I expect this to get the PTPs a face turn, a feud with the Real Americans, and at least a few months of appearing on RAW every week and actually getting mic time again, but they'll both need to step their game up a lot if they want to make it beyond that. It IS a career move in the sense that Darren Young's earned himself an opportunity, but it's still an opportunity he'll need to capitalize on, not a free pass into the main event. Southern America would cheer for the "Real Americans". Parts of the Bible belt are not exactly progressive. Let stay as heels for awhile, and become faces over time. The PTP are awesome and hilarious, they would have gotten over eventually anyways.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 18, 2013 3:38:29 GMT -5
I expect this to get the PTPs a face turn, a feud with the Real Americans, and at least a few months of appearing on RAW every week and actually getting mic time again, but they'll both need to step their game up a lot if they want to make it beyond that. It IS a career move in the sense that Darren Young's earned himself an opportunity, but it's still an opportunity he'll need to capitalize on, not a free pass into the main event. Southern America would cheer for the "Real Americans". Parts of the Bible belt are not exactly progressive. Let stay as heels for awhile, and become faces over time. The PTP are awesome and hilarious, they would have gotten over eventually anyways. Actually, Zeb and his All American boys get cheers from all over the country. Remember the time Zeb got face pops in Pittsburgh and the crowd turned against Del Rio hardcore by chanting "USA" during his match against Swagger? Hell, fans in California chant "We the People" along with Zeb. So pigeonholing the South as the main place were the Real Americans will get cheers isn't true. Also, Adrian Street (who wasn't gay but portrayed a effeminate badass) was a draw as a face and heel in the South for decades. So fans around these parts are more accepting than we get credit for.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 18, 2013 10:00:07 GMT -5
I'm just afraid that he'll get slaughtered by live crowds now. Lots of F-bombs by people who think they're being cool. I don't think that that will happen because people would not have true anonymity doing it there. He should not check out his Twitter feed on his own, however.
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Post by sabuicide on Aug 18, 2013 12:35:31 GMT -5
When I first heard about this I thought it was another Jason Collins thing, big Sports Illustrated interview type thing, but the fact that he was just like "Oh yeah, I'm gay" that makes me respect the hell out of him. He was asked a question, answered it honestly, and wasn't ashamed of who he was. So good for him.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Aug 18, 2013 12:59:12 GMT -5
Look guys, I know this is gonna sting but bear with me on this one.
Not one single one of you knows Darren Young personally, stop theorizing that he did it for publicity. It's not absolutely unheard of for homosexuals to stay deeply closeted until one day they decide enough is enough and just come out.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Aug 18, 2013 13:06:57 GMT -5
What I'm going to say may be viewed negatively, but it's been bothering me for a few days now.
Now I don't have proof of course, but I think this is a work. No, not Darren being gay, I think that's real...I'm talking about this being a random thing. It's well known that the WWE and TMZ have worked together on numerous occasions. I think that Darren was going to come out anyway, so the WWE talked to TMZ so they can get the "Scoop" first. I mean, it's sorta odd that the very first question this guy asks Young is about being gay in wrestling. That sent off a big red flag to me. I do think the WWE and TMZ set up this "random" encounter to get a little traffic and publicity their ways...and it worked big time.
Now having said that, I don't think it should diminish how big of a deal it was for him to come out, because even if you're not a fan of his (and I'm not really)this is an unprecedented thing having an openly gay active WWE superstar. I just think the WWE knew this too and planned a way to help them out as well.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Aug 18, 2013 13:08:58 GMT -5
What I'm going to say may be viewed negatively, but it's been bothering me for a few days now. Now I don't have proof of course, but I think this is a work. No, not Darren being gay, I think that's real...I'm talking about this being a random thing. It's well known that the WWE and TMZ have worked together on numerous occasions. I think that Darren was going to come out anyway, so the WWE talked to TMZ so they can get the "Scoop" first. I mean, it's sorta odd that the very first question this guy asks Young is about being gay in wrestling. That sent off a big red flag to me. I do think the WWE and TMZ set up this "random" encounter to get a little traffic and publicity their ways...and it worked big time. Now having said that, I don't think it should diminish how big of a deal it was for him to come out, because even if you're not a fan of his (and I'm not really)this is an unprecedented thing having an openly gay active WWE superstar. I just think the WWE knew this too and planned a way to help them out as well. What everyone keeps ignoring is how big of a deal pro athletes coming out has become recently. That's a question ALL athletes get at some point, I don't see how WWE would be any different especially considering it's a dramatized combat sport.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Aug 18, 2013 13:12:23 GMT -5
What I'm going to say may be viewed negatively, but it's been bothering me for a few days now. Now I don't have proof of course, but I think this is a work. No, not Darren being gay, I think that's real...I'm talking about this being a random thing. It's well known that the WWE and TMZ have worked together on numerous occasions. I think that Darren was going to come out anyway, so the WWE talked to TMZ so they can get the "Scoop" first. I mean, it's sorta odd that the very first question this guy asks Young is about being gay in wrestling. That sent off a big red flag to me. I do think the WWE and TMZ set up this "random" encounter to get a little traffic and publicity their ways...and it worked big time. Now having said that, I don't think it should diminish how big of a deal it was for him to come out, because even if you're not a fan of his (and I'm not really)this is an unprecedented thing having an openly gay active WWE superstar. I just think the WWE knew this too and planned a way to help them out as well. What everyone keeps ignoring is how big of a deal pro athletes coming out has become recently. That's a question ALL athletes get at some point, I don't see how WWE would be any different especially considering it's a dramatized combat sport. You're right of course, but the way this came about was awkward. The VERY FIRST question was about if a gay man in the wwe could be a success. There's something fishy about it to me. I could very well be wrong, which I'd like to be. It wouldn't be the first time TMZ was tipped off about something to mutually help each other out (celebrity wise).
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Post by chazraps on Aug 18, 2013 13:42:41 GMT -5
What everyone keeps ignoring is how big of a deal pro athletes coming out has become recently. That's a question ALL athletes get at some point, I don't see how WWE would be any different especially considering it's a dramatized combat sport. You're right of course, but the way this came about was awkward. The VERY FIRST question was about if a gay man in the wwe could be a success. There's something fishy about it to me. I could very well be wrong, which I'd like to be. It wouldn't be the first time TMZ was tipped off about something to mutually help each other out (celebrity wise). Even if that were the case, who gives a shit? It's such a huge thing, that the fact that it happened, especially the way it did, should trump how it came to be.
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Post by Sam Punk on Aug 18, 2013 16:54:33 GMT -5
I still think he's a bad wrestler. I still can right? No.
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Post by Stu on Aug 19, 2013 23:53:01 GMT -5
So, thoughts on WWE's handling of this tonight?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 19, 2013 23:54:50 GMT -5
So, thoughts on WWE's handling of this tonight? I expect this to get the PTPs a face turn, a feud with the Real Americans, and at least a few months of appearing on RAW every week and actually getting mic time again No mic time yet, but looking good so far.
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Post by MGH on Aug 19, 2013 23:56:22 GMT -5
Never was worried about WWE's handling of it.
Wrestling fans can make me a little nervous sometimes. He got a nice pop though. I was happy for him.
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