mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Aug 16, 2013 22:11:11 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that writers want fans to get that invested in the product. And overall I don't like where it usually takes characters Indeed It might make characters interesting. Can't have that. well considering it makes me think about the writers, not the characters, it fails at making them interesting for me.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 16, 2013 22:13:27 GMT -5
Indeed It might make characters interesting. Can't have that. well considering it makes me think about the writers, not the characters, it fails at making them interesting for me. I have no idea what you are talking about here.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 16, 2013 22:28:20 GMT -5
Yikes, this thread took a bizarre turn... I'm not even sure what there is to get mad at, or why anyone would even be getting mad??? well, most of the time when a heel cuts a promo like the one suggested here the point is to piss off the fans. Ya, and by proxy, you pull for the hero to vanquish him. The best heels are the one's that you actually hate and want to see get theirs. It'd be like not wanting to see Ted Dibiase do a rich man gimmick in 1987 because there's poverty in the world. No, you just enjoy him getting his. Wrestling is the place where rotten scumbags DO get what's coming to them. The point of wrestling or any story is to become emotionally invested. Totally. In the hero. And the villain. Or else it's just noise in the background and nothing matters. That's what a story is INTENDED to do. To encapsulate you. You want to believe, go through the ups and downs, and see good triumph in the end -- or at least see the villain fall spectacularly. Why wouldn't you try and push people's buttons? To try and get them to feel something despite the contrived nature of wrestling? The best and most successful angles in history after all were one's with identifiable roles; the one's that felt real or at least relatable. And that said, I know you do get emotionally involved. And in a "real world" way. You've admitted it. You detested Steve Austin and sided with Vince during the Attitude Era because you related through your Dad having to put up with unprofessional ingrates in his line of work. Despite this vastly unpopular stance, you wanted to see Austin lose because you hated what he seemingly stood for. This is the same thing. Only this time, the actual heel will be getting his comeuppance.
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Squirrel Master
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Post by Squirrel Master on Aug 16, 2013 22:43:34 GMT -5
H has a big nose. He is always in the soup. That is all.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 16, 2013 23:33:22 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 23:36:05 GMT -5
You know, this just makes me really wonder...
Why the **** couldn't CM Punk cite Hunner's decade long history of being a sociopathic dork whose wrath even extends to his yes men as proof that Hunner running wrestling was going to be just as bad as anything Vince could do?
Like literally drag out years of him screwing people over and laughing about it. But anyway, this just leaves me to wonder something else.
Say you have Hunner cut quite possibly the most important promo we'd have since CM Punk's initial "Pipebomb" and one of...really, the most important promos in the past few decades.
Who would you have to directly oppose him? One wrestler? Many wrestlers? Do most of the wrestlers have Vince's back but don't say anything for fear of their jobs?
And then too...you know the playback for that promo would be more than just that damn good.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 17, 2013 0:01:23 GMT -5
You know, this just makes me really wonder... Why the **** couldn't CM Punk cite Hunner's decade long history of being a sociopathic dork whose wrath even extends to his yes men as proof that Hunner running wrestling was going to be just as bad as anything Vince could do? Like literally drag out years of him screwing people over and laughing about it. But anyway, this just leaves me to wonder something else. Say you have Hunner cut quite possibly the most important promo we'd have since CM Punk's initial "Pipebomb" and one of...really, the most important promos in the past few decades. Who would you have to directly oppose him? One wrestler? Many wrestlers? Do most of the wrestlers have Vince's back but don't say anything for fear of their jobs? And then too...you know the playback for that promo would be more than just that damn good. I think it has to be someone who doesn't fit either Hunter OR Vince's perfect superstar mould. And by proxy, Vince learns to trust and support and eventually side with that guy --who'll end HHH's tyranny in the end, and humble Vince at the same time by bringing him to his senses. It reminds me how in real life Bret Hart and Shawn earned Vince's respect and loyalty, despite neither being who he ideally had in mind (Luger and Diesel respectively). Bottom line though is that Mr. McMahon needs to end. Vince McMahon, redeemed and humble needs to return. And then bow out gracefully. As for the big jorted elephant in the room, Cena should be caught in the middle. For all the jokes about him being a corporate puppet in real life, in the contrived universe of WWE he absolutely wouldn't be supported by HHH or vice-versa. Cena's character exists as a polar opposite to HHH's own in seeming morality. I think Cena should pull a Sting at some point, and become a man without a country. Mulling over his career decisions. And coming to the babyface's aid who face's HHH for control. You play up his indecision: If WWE, as it stands, is even worth believing in or fighting for. And in the end, he does what's morally right --even if he doesn't agree with Vince either. As for HHH's end game (ahem); well, it'd take another creative angle to redeem him or to bring him back. It is possible. But tricky. Maybe a blackmail angle. Someone who had something on HHH or Stephanie or whomever, wherein he was forced to go through with it. Maybe someone who wanted the WWE himself to actually be in shambles and used HHH as an unwilling patsy. Maybe Shane. The son who was ousted. The son who made good on his own; but still feels a level of hurt and betrayal from his father. A hurt that could only be remedied by seeing his whole family fall for their misdeeds. I don't know. It'd take a lot of exposition. And McMahons...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2013 0:24:35 GMT -5
I think you neglected to mention the most important McMahon, the wildcard of the McMahon family...
Rod McMahon.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 17, 2013 0:25:02 GMT -5
Whatever happens in this storyline they are going for between the McMahons, one thing is crucial. It must result in some sort of significant change. If after the whole thing plays out, we are back to the status quo (which is, given WWE's past track record, the most likely outcome), then it's all for nothing, and will exist only to kill some airtime.
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