Lancers
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Post by Lancers on Aug 17, 2013 22:10:10 GMT -5
It's weird watching Chael Sonnen win after you get used to him getting owned. Apparently I have to like his promos but one thing is certain: If Chris Weidman beats Anderson Silva again, Chael is getting a title shot. He did say he was going back to 185 after the Shogun fight. I guess he's gonna take on Wanderlei first probably in early 2014. Then we'll see what middleweight looks life afterwards. That is not a deep division in title contenders.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 17, 2013 22:10:44 GMT -5
Chael isn't some mega-popular crossover star. He's a MMA fighter that was on the bubble of retirement until tonight. The only audience you'd be playing to are hardcore MMA fans and they aren't going to suddenly buy Mania just because a fighter is fake fighting. There's no publicity gain at all. Chael is not Floyd Mayweather or Mike Tyson. The only person that'd probably pop for it is Punk himself. He doesn't need to be a megastar with huge crossover appeal. But rather just a new opponent, who could offer something different from the usual interchangable feuds and matches that we see in WWE. Wrestlemania tends to be now a place for one-off novelty acts anyway. Snooki....Lawrence Taylor....Mr T....Mayweather....Tyson etc. Snooki was one of the stars of a gigantic TV Hit, Lawrence Taylor is a Football legend, Mr.T was a huge star in the A-Team at the time, Mayweather is the biggest PPV draw in the world currently and Tyson was a cultural icon with a crazy aura around him. Biiiiig difference from Sonnen. The result would be closer to Frank Trigg coming to TNA. It would be a huge waste of time, nobody would care and nothing would be gained. Wrestling fans don't give a crap about UFC stars. Lesnar is the exception.
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Post by mysterydriver on Aug 17, 2013 22:13:42 GMT -5
As much as Chael is an anomaly for UFC, to me his mic skills aren't as great as made out to be. He's a rhymer of used and abused rhymes. A loose cannon of tightly choreographed syllables. His delivery is wavy and easily dismissed as the scripted nonsense they seem because at times it's obvious he doesn't believe it. Honestly, I feel if he did any work with Punk, you couldn't trust ad-libbing because he'd just start dropping slurs and profanity.
He'd have to be heavily scripted which probably wouldn't be too bad since most of his booth work feels very rehearsed. In all, I think he'd bomb in front of a crowd or do something really, really stupid with a microphone in his hand (Sonnen and What chants would be a sigh worthy situation).
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 17, 2013 22:15:08 GMT -5
He doesn't need to be a megastar with huge crossover appeal. But rather just a new opponent, who could offer something different from the usual interchangable feuds and matches that we see in WWE. Wrestlemania tends to be now a place for one-off novelty acts anyway. Snooki....Lawrence Taylor....Mr T....Mayweather....Tyson etc. Snooki was one of the stars of a gigantic TV Hit, Lawrence Taylor is a Football legend, Mr.T was a huge star in the A-Team at the time, Mayweather is the biggest PPV draw in the world currently and Tyson was a cultural icon with a crazy aura around him. Biiiiig difference from Sonnen. The result would be closer to Frank Trigg coming to TNA. It would be a huge waste of time, nobody would care and nothing would be gained. Wrestling fans don't give a crap about UFC stars. Lesnar is the exception. The big difference with Sonnen is that most of the other people mentioned, were featured prominently in main events of their Wrestlemanias, with much of the promotion built around them. I'm not suggesting that Sonnen be placed in a main event position on the card. It wouldn't really a waste of time. It's not like WWE cards are filled to bursting point with tantalising matches with no time to spare. As for wrestling fans not giving a crap about UFC stars, they seemed to accept Ken Shamrock. He was MMA and did pretty well. On one night, one PPV and one match, I'm sure they'd be fine with Sonnen.
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Post by tenshi on Aug 17, 2013 22:19:48 GMT -5
It's weird watching Chael Sonnen win after you get used to him getting owned. Apparently I have to like his promos but one thing is certain: If Chris Weidman beats Anderson Silva again, Chael is getting a title shot. He did say he was going back to 185 after the Shogun fight. I guess he's gonna take on Wanderlei first probably in early 2014. Then we'll see what middleweight looks life afterwards. That is not a deep division in title contenders. Here's the thing: Chael isn't consistent with what he says. He tried to call Wandy out once and then said he'll leave him alone because Wandy didn't want to fight him, not wanting to bully him into fighting him. Fast forward into minutes ago and there he is, calling Wandy out again for some reason, mostly because his plan is to grapple-screw Wandy before going for a title shot. Then again, people will be OK with Chael doing this as long as he cuts promos.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Aug 17, 2013 22:26:32 GMT -5
Snooki was one of the stars of a gigantic TV Hit, Lawrence Taylor is a Football legend, Mr.T was a huge star in the A-Team at the time, Mayweather is the biggest PPV draw in the world currently and Tyson was a cultural icon with a crazy aura around him. Biiiiig difference from Sonnen. The result would be closer to Frank Trigg coming to TNA. It would be a huge waste of time, nobody would care and nothing would be gained. Wrestling fans don't give a crap about UFC stars. Lesnar is the exception. The big difference with Sonnen is that most of the other people mentioned, were featured prominently in main events of their Wrestlemanias, with much of the promotion built around them. I'm not suggesting that Sonnen be placed in a main event position on the card. It wouldn't really a waste of time. It's not like WWE cards are filled to bursting point with tantalising matches with no time to spare. As for wrestling fans not giving a crap about UFC stars, they seemed to accept Ken Shamrock. He was MMA and did pretty well. On one night, one PPV and one match, I'm sure they'd be fine with Sonnen. One night, one PPV, one match. Where he goes over on arguably the number two guy in the company. It's a giant waste of Punk on top of everything too. Wrestling against a mid-level UFC guy that no one knows. Kind of a drop from Undertaker. I have to agree with what was said about Sonnen's 'mic skills'. He looks like this wizard on the mic in the UFC sure but put him in a world with other guys that are more outlandish on the mic and he becomes just another guy. What's one of the biggest 'on the mic' moments in UFC? GSP mumbling out "Gimme duh title pleeeeeeease!" It's not hard to stick out as a hype man in that world. I mean, Tom Lawlor has a big fanbase and he's done a lot of nothing. But he wears crazy outfits so he seems like a big deal in that world.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Aug 17, 2013 22:35:39 GMT -5
I've been reading the results on sherdog and I was wow Chael Sonnen won by a guillotine choke (last thing I would expect). I mean have all of a sudden top level fighters forgotten how to defend or not get caught against it.
Also having him wrestle against punk at WM is beyond stupid.
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Lancers
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Post by Lancers on Aug 17, 2013 22:59:04 GMT -5
He did say he was going back to 185 after the Shogun fight. I guess he's gonna take on Wanderlei first probably in early 2014. Then we'll see what middleweight looks life afterwards. That is not a deep division in title contenders. Here's the thing: Chael isn't consistent with what he says. He tried to call Wandy out once and then said he'll leave him alone because Wandy didn't want to fight him, not wanting to bully him into fighting him. Fast forward into minutes ago and there he is, calling Wandy out again for some reason, mostly because his plan is to grapple-screw Wandy before going for a title shot. Then again, people will be OK with Chael doing this as long as he cuts promos. Sonnen, much like Urijah Faber, is in that weird position where they're good enough to beat just about anyone but title holders. Plus, they're marketable guys to promote so it keeps them very high on the totem pole of their respective weight classes. Faber hasn't gotten a title shot against Barao since his last loss. And he's gonna have to wait until the Barao/Wineland vs. Cruz fight in early 2014 (assuming Dominick does come back as scheduled). If Faber's gotta win at least 4 fights (already defeated Menjivar, Jorgensen, Alcantara so far) to get back into title contention after so many failed opportunities, the same should go for Chael. Uncle Dana should put him in there with Wanderlei, who stated he would like to fight Chael.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Aug 17, 2013 23:29:07 GMT -5
Also I'm quite pissed off that due to a scheduling f*** up by SKY NZ that the damm event wasn't show at all today and I have to wait till tomorrow night to watch the reply and will miss prelims as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 4:58:06 GMT -5
WWE career will be put on hold. 6ft of piled up crap is next for the American Gangster. Not bad for a "mid level MMA guy no one knows about".
Overeem looked awful. It's kinda sad to watch him like this.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Aug 18, 2013 5:41:26 GMT -5
I agree on Werdum being next in line. Browne looked like garbage and landed a good shot on a dumbass. No argument there. But after Werdum, there's no much left in the heavyweight division at the moment. Roy Nelson, Stefan Struve, Frank Mir, Josh Barnett if he beats Mir.... Also, as a HUGE Sonnen fan, I wouldn't mind seeing him in WWE, but that may need to come with a stop in NXT.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 18, 2013 7:23:51 GMT -5
The result would be closer to Frank Trigg coming to TNA. It would be a huge waste of time, nobody would care and nothing would be gained. Wrestling fans don't give a crap about UFC stars. Lesnar is the exception. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Sonnen is UFC's number 3 draw. By proxy of that he's a million times more over and recognizable than Trigg. And more average people know who Chael Sonnen is than 95% of the WWE roster. I'm not saying he should be beating anyone, but I think there'd be an initial interest in seeing Chael in WWE by a certain contingent of MMA fans who'd be curious to see what UFC's "WWF guy" would do in actual wrestling. Hell, they might even watch it to judge or mock him afterward.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2013 8:11:14 GMT -5
Reem's UFC tenure- W over a clearly no longer healthy to fight Brock, year long roid suspension, 2 consecutive Ls where he got KTFO
Helluva ride.
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Post by salz4life on Aug 18, 2013 8:21:55 GMT -5
It's weird watching Chael Sonnen win after you get used to him getting owned. Apparently I have to like his promos but one thing is certain: If Chris Weidman beats Anderson Silva again, Chael is getting a title shot. Agree with you.... And Chael will lose. I've done a 180 on Chael as I used to hate him, but he won't be a champ in UFC
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2013 8:26:58 GMT -5
Chael is like sports teams that are called Next Year's Champions. Look great till it matters most.
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