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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 18, 2013 21:58:30 GMT -5
They told a great story. Sure, it would have been awesome if Bryan could have beaten both of them in one night, but I am very happy with the way it all worked out. It was a great night for Bryan.
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Post by thegame415 on Aug 18, 2013 21:59:08 GMT -5
Bad booking would've been running the same ending but reversed, with Cena instead of Bryan.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Aug 18, 2013 21:59:19 GMT -5
Mega Corporate storyline with a mix of real and kayfabe drama + it's going to result in a huge star-making win for Bryan, maybe even at Wrestlemania. I ain't mad yet.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 18, 2013 21:59:22 GMT -5
I wanted and Orton/HHH heel alliance, but not like this.
They should've just let Cena win, then let Orton cash in on him. All this does is add another > 1 day reign to the belt's history and needlessly pad Bryan's reign count in the event that he does get the belt back down the line.
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Post by The Portable Stove on Aug 18, 2013 21:59:23 GMT -5
There is no chance Bryan is going to get a rematch. Its back to the middcard for him and Hunter and Orton to dominate raw for a long time to come. Yup, to feud with that dominant face while Cena's gone-- ...uh... hm. Well, there's... no, he's feuding with the Shield. Oh, what about... no, he's at about the WHC level. Hm.
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Post by mysterydriver on Aug 18, 2013 21:59:25 GMT -5
There are way too many less than 10 minute title reigns.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Aug 18, 2013 21:59:45 GMT -5
I know a lot of people are going to hate that ending, but I honestly loved it and think it was very, very well done. It was like watching a Game of Thrones episode(or reading the books) where a character dies. It wasn't a booking failure where the better character lost because of bad writing, it was a storyline loss where the better man was established but went down because of the villain's dastardly plans despite the protagonist's determination.
It was perfectly written. We even had the fakeout where it looked like Bryan was going to walk out as champ...and then Triple H did this thing. It was brilliantly done, established who the villains were and made us really side with the wronged hero. Coupled with Cena earning his slaps and shaking hands with Bryan, that was a great, great ending. It had fakeouts and carried out tension just like a normal television show would. It didn't feel overbooked or anything like that, on the contrary, everything felt natural and rather than a cheap plot twist it felt like the only way the story could have gone.
Cena walks out having gained the one thing he was upset about before going into the match, Bryan walks out as one of the only two(arguably three) people to have beaten Cena cleanly in years, Orton and HHH walk out as "Next season's dastardly villains." It resolved all conflict, set up next season and changed the way we look at all characters involved - you can't take Bryan's victory away from him. Maybe they will screw up the follow up, who knows? But for now, judging this as a standalone...this was really damn good storytelling and I'm not even using the "good for a wrestling plot" kiddie gloves. This was a legitimately good story with the right emotions, fake outs and developments. Loved every bit of it.
...Also that said, as a mark, I must say, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GODDAAAAAAAMN
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Post by Crimson on Aug 18, 2013 22:00:00 GMT -5
I don't get why everyone is upset. Bryan looked amazing against the person who is still the top guy in the company. He won. Provided he's booked correctly in the feud, he can still carry through against what they're setting up here. Orton's had good matches with the right style. Triple H has been a good heel when he's not being booked to be god. Normally I'd think both of these things are unlikely, but I think BRYAN is the kind of guy that can do it. This was the birth of what the WWE feels would be a top face, and they're giving him a top face story to be a part of. Is the evil authority figure tired? Perhaps. We got what we wanted at the end of the day all the same. EDIT: Now on the other hand, if this acknowledged as good booking and you're just angry at the heels, I'd say that's awesome. I haven't felt like this much of a mark in a long time, and I'd say that's a good thing. Because this is GAME OVER BRO. Bryan is going no where but down despite getting a clean win over a guy who's only lost clean to The Rock and Orton in the past four years.
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Post by Renslayer on Aug 18, 2013 22:00:02 GMT -5
This is totally superficial, but I loved that HHH broke out the old school Pedigree
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 22:00:10 GMT -5
I wanted and Orton/HHH heel alliance, but not like this. They should've just let Cena win, then let Orton cash in on him. All this does is add another > 1 day reign to the belt's history and needlessly pad Bryan's reign count in the event that he does get the belt back down the line. No way. This was executed as a means to majorly put Daniel Bryan over while keeping him in the chase.
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Post by woowoowoox on Aug 18, 2013 22:00:40 GMT -5
I feel so bad for fans of Bryan, especially because I know how f***ing awful it felt when it happened to Christian.
Not that I'm not a fan of Bryan myself but still.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Aug 18, 2013 22:00:51 GMT -5
So they are throwing away the most over guy they've had in a decade to have a reunion of a stable from an unsuccessful period 10 years ago?
WWE really is the 35 year old guy hanging out at the local bar in his high school letterman jacket.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Aug 18, 2013 22:01:05 GMT -5
WWE's sure got all the marks outraged and hating the two new top heels and chomping at the bit to see the new top babyface get his revenge. I call that good booking. I would too if they needed it. Right now Raw has an over abundance of heels and now all of them slide further down the card so the DX er Evolution Reunion can take all the limelight. Bryan as a champ was the perfect guy to make Ryback, any Shield member, any Wyatt, the True Americans, even Big E or Alberto look very good and become credible contenders to finish off the summer and lead into the fall. make those guys look threatening by rumble so they aren't just obvious filler. Instead its back to status quo.
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Post by canceled4truth on Aug 18, 2013 22:01:09 GMT -5
Disregard this post, I'm tired and I have no idea what I'm talking about
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Post by Ganon83 on Aug 18, 2013 22:01:37 GMT -5
Without Orton cashing in, you make one big face in Bryan. With Orton cashing in, you make one big heel in Orton (Who's been spinning his wheels for like a year now and is much better as a heel) and a possible new face of the company with Bryan, while at the same time making a bigger heel out of Hunter then Vince could be at this stage of the game. I like Orton cashing in.
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Post by botchingitup on Aug 18, 2013 22:01:38 GMT -5
They should've just let Cena win, then let Orton cash in on him. All this does is add another > 1 day reign to the belt's history and needlessly pad Bryan's reign count in the event that he does get the belt back down the line. ...why? It would make Bryan look weak against Cena and it would just solidify the driving conflict to be between Cena, Trips, and Orton. Not Bryan. This gives Bryan a personal stake and solidifies him as the "protagonist." It's storytelling 101. Sure, it adds another short reign, but from a story perspective, it makes sense. EDIT: Why are people comparing this to Christian?! Christian lost clean as a whistle while being set up as the chaser and the inferior wrestler. Bryan looked like a hero who got stabbed in the back here by his biggest advocate. Context, what's that?
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Aug 18, 2013 22:01:49 GMT -5
RE: the whole "NOW YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM HERE"
Eh, sometimes I like resolution. I like seeing the good guy win. If wrestling is just an endless series of prick-teases for giving the fans what they really want, then it's not worth watching.
Bryan's first title reign is spoiled, and no amount of further reigns will ever change the fact.
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Post by Crimson on Aug 18, 2013 22:01:52 GMT -5
I feel so bad for fans of Bryan, especially because I know how f***ing awful it felt when it happened to Christian. Not that I'm not a fan myself of Bryan myself but still. The difference being Bryan's loss is actually a part of a high profile angle and he's not losing his place on the card.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Aug 18, 2013 22:02:03 GMT -5
I wonder how long until all the people who'd been blithering about how unfair it is to blame CM Punk for his unfailing ability to make peak segments tank in ratings when he doesn't have a bigger star holding his hand will be back to calling our new champ Ratings Killer Orton.
(A nickname he's more than earned, mind you.)
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on Aug 18, 2013 22:02:04 GMT -5
Classic stuff. I totally agree that it's an excellent kickoff to an angle (giving the fans the feel-good underdog babyface win, then ripping it away to build up a heel), but I also don't blame anyone for being pessimistic, given to the WWE's tendency to change direction on a dime and stick with the same old, same old.
So -- great start, but let's see how they follow through.
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