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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Sept 23, 2013 8:17:33 GMT -5
As with any popular tv, unless a million dollars bursts forth from your tv during the final act, than people will be pissed. Or people are pissed simply because they half-assed the final season and put forth a finale that resolved nothing and was riddled the same cheap cliches the show's been running off of for years.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Sept 23, 2013 9:01:20 GMT -5
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Post by Some Guy on Sept 23, 2013 9:16:08 GMT -5
As with any popular tv, unless a million dollars bursts forth from your tv during the final act, than people will be pissed. That's not even remotely true. No one has hated the endings of The Shield, Friday Night Lights, Friends, Frasier, 24, Arrested Development (well, the original finale), The Office, Fringe, etc. It's just that Dexter had a really, really bad finale.
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Post by ICBM on Sept 23, 2013 9:17:05 GMT -5
As with any popular tv, unless a million dollars bursts forth from your tv during the final act, than people will be pissed. Or people are pissed simply because they half-assed the final season and put forth a finale that resolved nothing and was riddled the same cheap cliches the show's been running off of for years. Bro, I promise I'm not baiting you here, but your response is exactly what I was talking about
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Post by Some Guy on Sept 23, 2013 9:43:03 GMT -5
Or people are pissed simply because they half-assed the final season and put forth a finale that resolved nothing and was riddled the same cheap cliches the show's been running off of for years. Bro, I promise I'm not baiting you here, but your response is exactly what I was talking about It was a bad finale, there's a reason most are saying that. It has nothing to do with expectations, it just sucked.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 23, 2013 9:52:51 GMT -5
"Dexter" season 8 in a nutshell
In fact that should be "Dexter" seasons 5 - 8 in a nutshell
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 10:28:44 GMT -5
So I stopped watching Dexter after the whole "Deb loves Dexter" season but have been keeping up with it, especially this season. I honestly don't know how the show fell apart so quickly.
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 23, 2013 14:14:57 GMT -5
I gave up at the first episode of this final season, where I just couldn't take it anymore. It takes a lot for me to give up a series once I start watching, I think I have never done it before Dexter. Just watched the final episode, my god that was terrible, it came off as a parody of itself since the original show runner (Clyde Philips) left (He came up with the Trinity killer himself, not basing it off the books, and he was responsible for all the good seasons. A hell of a lot more talented by the showrunners who took the show on a nose dive since season 5). It came across like a comedy to me! Especially when the doctor told Dexter about Debra's status at the hospital, with him backing away slowly saying "there is no such thing as miracles....", fade into a cheesy flashback. Honestly, what the f***! More stuff I really disliked: - The cheesy storm - The final seasons bad guy, I had seen clips of him since I stopped watching at the start of the season and he was even worse than I thought he would be. To go from Trinity and Miguel to him is a travesty, especially on the final season. - The fact that the villain knocked someone out!/potentially killed him depending what he was holding at the time and stole his vehicle...in broad daylight...with tons of people around... - Dexter taking Debra's body and nobody giving a shit, because of the storm! - Nobody noticing Hannah stabbing/injecting the police guy (I can't remember his name), on a crowded bus. I could go on but I won't. For what it's worth below is a link of how the original and 100% better showrunner would have ended it, which I think would have a been a hell of a lot more fulfilling a finale, rather than lumberdexter. uk.eonline.com/news/461558/chills-former-dexter-producer-clyde-phillips-reveals-how-he-planned-to-end-the-seriesI get what they tried to do with the epilogue, but it again came off incredibly forced and just so cheesly directed, which made it a terrible ending. "Act 1 and Act 2: they don't mean nothing...the only thing that matters....everyone remembers....... Act 3...the final act" - Paraphrasing, The Rock @ Wrestlemania 19. Half agree with him, the finale is the most important part, (but the first acts are still important) this applies incredibly well to finishing a series, as an art form and that is critically, commercially and domestically successful. Which I personally don't think it succeeded in doing. Fair play to anyone who enjoyed the finale and the final season, or these past 4 seasons even. I wish I could say that I did (from the episodes I have seen in the final season)
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Sept 23, 2013 15:14:32 GMT -5
Or people are pissed simply because they half-assed the final season and put forth a finale that resolved nothing and was riddled the same cheap cliches the show's been running off of for years. Bro, I promise I'm not baiting you here, but your response is exactly what I was talking about What having an opinion? You're basically trashing my opinion and the opinions of others solely because they didn't like the finale. That's how your original message is coming across to me.
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Post by Piccolo on Sept 23, 2013 15:27:13 GMT -5
I loved this show for a long time. Seasons 1-5 were amazing, even the sometime reviled seasons 3 and 5... Miguel was a hilarious antagonist, and Lumen was an utterly sympathetic character who made sense for Dexter's arc. I didn't love season 6, but I really enjoyed season 7. The first few episodes of this season were also great.
So, come at me, bro. Tell me I'll be dissatisfied with anything. Tell me I'm just a typical internet troll. But I tell you, with all sincerity, all disappointment, and all regret, that I legitimately did not like where this season went. I legitimately think Vogel's role in bringing Deb and Dex back together was unbelievable (Deb's murder-suicide attempt feels like it was the last authentic character moment she ever had). I legitimately think Hannah is not someone Deb would ever have accepted into her home, or trusted, or grown fond of. I legitimately think that Hannah never would've become the child-loving saint she became, given who she was last season (and I doubt she ever would've been so stupid as to waltz around Miami without at least attempting a disguise). I see all the themes they were going for. It's not that I "don't understand." It's that I don't think it was executed authentically.
So call me crazy. Call me pessimistic. Call me all the names you can think of. I'm not feeling the way I do to please or displease you, so it's not going to make any difference at all. I react to the show they put in front of me. For a long time, I loved it. For much of this season, I didn't. And that is all there is to it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 15:43:30 GMT -5
Are we honestly going to try and start a fight over Dexter?
Can't we just agree that everyone's got their own perspective?
Opinions and such.
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Post by ICBM on Sept 23, 2013 15:59:02 GMT -5
Bro, I promise I'm not baiting you here, but your response is exactly what I was talking about What having an opinion? You're basically trashing my opinion and the opinions of others solely because they didn't like the finale. That's how your original message is coming across to me. Calm down. Take a breath. It is not worth taking it personally. My OP is based on MY observations from not just this finale. I'd have said that before the show aired. Relax bro
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Sept 23, 2013 16:08:32 GMT -5
*shrugs* It was a better finale than Seinfeld.
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Post by Lazy peon on Sept 23, 2013 16:38:49 GMT -5
What having an opinion? You're basically trashing my opinion and the opinions of others solely because they didn't like the finale. That's how your original message is coming across to me. Calm down. Take a breath. It is not worth taking it personally. My OP is based on MY observations from not just this finale. I'd have said that before the show aired. Relax bro Chillax dude. Everything's alright, man. Enhance your calm pal.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 23, 2013 22:14:25 GMT -5
Bro, I promise I'm not baiting you here, but your response is exactly what I was talking about It was a bad finale, there's a reason most are saying that. It has nothing to do with expectations, it just sucked. In your opinion. You keep forgetting to add that part. It's a subjective medium. There are no absolutes.
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Post by Piccolo on Sept 23, 2013 22:21:15 GMT -5
It was a bad finale, there's a reason most are saying that. It has nothing to do with expectations, it just sucked. In your opinion. You keep forgetting to add that part. It's a subjective medium. There are no absolutes. "In my opinion" is pretty much a given on internet message boards. That, I would guess, is why you didn't use it in your discussion of why the IMDB users were wrong. Of course, maybe you did mean to say that your opinion was objective truth, in which case, I'm not sure why you're getting on ronswanson about not using "IMO." How about we all agree that it's OK for people to have their own opinions, even when they differ from ours, and that we're not going to belittle them or try to impugn their rationality or credibility just because we disagree with them?
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Sept 24, 2013 0:11:56 GMT -5
In your opinion. You keep forgetting to add that part. It's a subjective medium. There are no absolutes. "In my opinion" is pretty much a given on internet message boards. That, I would guess, is why you didn't use it in your discussion of why the IMDB users were wrong. Of course, maybe you did mean to say that your opinion was objective truth, in which case, I'm not sure why you're getting on ronswanson about not using "IMO." How about we all agree that it's OK for people to have their own opinions, even when they differ from ours, and that we're not going to belittle them or try to impugn their rationality or credibility just because we disagree with them? His post was pretty much written as an absolute. It was telling someone who liked it "sorry, you're wrong, it sucked." That is what irritated me. It was never the disliking it part. I myself am still undecided on my actual judgment of this season. I understand how they got there, but had a few issues with its execution. As for your own post earlier in this thread, I liked it and agreed with the crux of what you said. My earlier post wasn't a condemnation of anyone here or those who didn't like it, but rather one for those who bemoaned the show for not ending in the absurd way they wanted; a direction, based on the arc, it never would have. Silliness like him going out in some guns-blazing battle. Or turning evil. My comment was more on what the show was actually about. (Although, as you mentioned, there were some issues and liberties taken in getting there that messed it up a bit.).
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Sept 24, 2013 1:00:55 GMT -5
Wow, Miami Metro is worthless. Hey, Batista, you remember how your old partner thought Dexter was a creep, and wound up dead? The another ex-partner and wife thought Dexter was a serial killer, and wound up dead? How about the people around Dexter that died or went missing over the years like Prado, Rita, Vogel, Cassie, Rudy/Brian, Deb, etc.? Keeping those things in mind, while watching Dexter kill Saxon with a pen in one fluid, violent motion, the thought never crossed your mind that maybe your ex-partners may have been on to something?
My first impression of the ending is that it had several chances to go for the throat and do something exciting, poignant, and memorable. Instead, it played it equal parts sappy, weak, and uninspired. There were no real jaw-dropping moments (at least not in a good way). It just felt flat, unsatisfying, and at points boring.
I loved the show and hold that those that proclaim that the show went to hell after season 4 aren't giving seasons 5 and 7 a fair shake as they were both better than the forgettable season 3. The ending just didn't do the show justice on first viewing.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 24, 2013 1:52:36 GMT -5
I'll take a moment to address some of the complaints as I see the resolution of the story goes:
Hannah taking Harrison - I did not like this, but I get it. If Dexter knew that he was going to fake his own death, he probably would have found a way to let Jamie take him in or his in-laws, but when Harrison was sent off with her his intentions were to join them. It is not as though she can come back to drop Harrison off with a more suitable caregiver. All things considered, when he made the choice to fake his death his failure on this front may have actually weighed on him as yet another way trying to do the right thing has hurt someone he cared about.
Batista not seeing that Dexter was a killer - I think that he was on the fence watching the videotape but Quinn swayed him to let it go. I think Quinn's reaction convinced him that while Dexter intended to kill him, it was understandable and would not have been possible if the idiot had not given him the justification to do so in the first place. Bear in mind as well that he has been good friends with Dexter for years. Sure, he knew that Doakes hated Dexter, but considering that he not only was determined by Lundy to be the Bay Harbor Butcher and had been confirmed recently to be so by Matthews one can understand why he would ignore that. He also knew that his ex had had a very close relationship with Doakes and she appeared to be so eager to prove him innocent that she chose to frame the guy that Doakes hated. I think that one can understand how he chose to accept his own experiences with Dexter over those two possibly unhinged individuals.
Quinn not realizing that Dexter was a killer - I think he had come to a conclusion some time ago that Dexter might be a killer, but decided that he did not care. It is not as though he had not been shown to be a person of "flexible" morals of his own. He took bribes. He committed murder and framed it to appear self defense. I think that the idea that Quinn taking up the cause was not entirely out of bounds, but it would have been more pf a Vic Mackay-like character (which might have been fun, so I don't know why so many people crapped all over it without even seeing such a program).
The "Big Bad" was not good - He may seem less interesting than the others, but he shook Dexter's world in ways that even Trinity did not. The fact that Dexter had him dead to rights so quickly and allowed him to live, freeing him to cause Deb's eventual death made that death even worse. Trinity killed Rita because it took Dexter so long to get him on the killing table, but this clown only had the chance to kill the most important person to him (as pointed out in the pilot episode) because Dexter caught him and did not kill him. All things considered, having a weak antagonist might have been by design.
That ending - I loved it. I think that it might have gone down a little easier for people if he had said a longer goodbye to Deb. If he had said that he was sorry and that he has finally learned his lesson about what his affect on those in his world was and then lamented that he wished he learned it earlier to save her, Harry, Rita, Doakes, etc. from himself, would it have made that better? In my own mind, that is what that look at the end said to me. He has opted to abandon all human contact to prevent himself from destroying one more person that he might come to care for.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Sept 24, 2013 2:06:20 GMT -5
It's a shitty show for the past 4 years, I don't know why anyone expected anything better as an ending.
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