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Post by Manute Bol on Aug 20, 2013 15:07:50 GMT -5
Someone told me that Survivor Series 92 was originally supposed to be headlined by Bret Hart vs. Jake Roberts for the WWE Championship and also feature Intercontinental Champion The British Bulldog vs. The Mountie.
Obviously the original main event of Ric Flair & Razor Ramon vs. Macho Man & The Ultimate Warrior was changed as well, but this is the first I'm hearing of those other changes. Can anyone confirm whether this is actually true? Were those matches announced publicly and then changed, or were just being brainstormed at one point? If this is true, has a card ever been altered as much as this one?
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Aug 20, 2013 15:17:46 GMT -5
Bulldog was indeed supposed to face The Mountie. Shawn was already in the WWF Title match before winning the I/C title from The Bulldog. The Bulldog was released before Survivor Series and so his match with The Mountie was swept under the rug and not mentioned.
As for Jake being in the Main Event, he was already gone from WWF by then but there were rumours that they were trying to get him back.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Aug 20, 2013 15:23:58 GMT -5
Thinking about the Jake Roberts thing, didn't he wrestle at Halloween Havoc a month before? I very much doubt WCW would have let him go without the standard non-compete clause so I don't see how he could have been a possibility in the Title match.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Aug 20, 2013 15:34:03 GMT -5
Thinking about the Jake Roberts thing, didn't he wrestle at Halloween Havoc a month before? I very much doubt WCW would have let him go without the standard non-compete clause so I don't see how he could have been a possibility in the Title match. He did, against Sting in the infamous Coal Miner's Glove Match. Bulldog vs. Mountie was definitely supposed to happen. I remember a special issue of WWE Magazine that previewed Survivor Series '92, and Bulldog/Mountie was among the match write-ups. |
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Post by happhazzard on Aug 20, 2013 15:59:57 GMT -5
The Bret vs Shawn match was announced before either of them held titles.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 20, 2013 17:16:39 GMT -5
Bushwhackers were supposed to be teamed with Natural Disasters. I seem to recall a typical four v. four graphic of the teams but maybe just wishful thinking. I am certain though there was a report done by Okerlund or Mooney saying they stepped aside to let the Nasty Boys get revenge on Jimmy Hart.
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Post by Manute Bol on Aug 20, 2013 17:46:57 GMT -5
The Bret vs Shawn match was announced before either of them held titles. Is that true? What was the story behind it? Just a random mid card match? |
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Post by celticjobber on Aug 20, 2013 18:07:30 GMT -5
The Bret vs Shawn match was announced before either of them held titles. Is that true? What was the story behind it? Just a random mid card match? I don't know about the Survivor Series, but before Summerslam 1992 moved to Wembley Stadium (it was going to be in D.C.), they were going to have HBK vs. Bret Hart in a ladder match for the IC title on that show. |
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Post by MiLB Fan on Aug 20, 2013 18:49:39 GMT -5
Bushwhackers were supposed to be teamed with Natural Disasters. I seem to recall a typical four v. four graphic of the teams but maybe just wishful thinking. I am certain though there was a report done by Okerlund or Mooney saying they stepped aside to let the Nasty Boys get revenge on Jimmy Hart. Bobby Heenan mentioned it on the countdown show. "But it's not fair to Money Inc. and the Beverlys. They were planning to wrestle The Natural Disasters and The Bushwhackers. The Bushwhackers pulled out, and let The Nastys take their place." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 19:13:49 GMT -5
Thinking about the Jake Roberts thing, didn't he wrestle at Halloween Havoc a month before? I very much doubt WCW would have let him go without the standard non-compete clause so I don't see how he could have been a possibility in the Title match. Considering - as Jake has told it - Bill Watts ripped his generous contract up the moment he got to WCW, I would think any non-compete clause coming from WCW would probably have been in the form of a ziploc full of fecal matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2013 21:47:39 GMT -5
I know Hart/Roberts was on-tap for after WrestleMania, but Jake left. I heard it was because he wanted Pat Patterson's job, but Vince wanted to keep that spot open until Patterson returned. I think Jake said that Hart didn't want to work with him.
I'm not surprised that they were considering a Hart/Michaels match since they worked on house shows throughout the spring and summer.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 20, 2013 22:35:49 GMT -5
I actually had that preview guide and definitely remember Bulldog/Mountie being announced in it. I've always wondered what Bulldog would have done if he had stayed in 1993. Probably just jobbed the IC title to HBK anyway and then been one of the guys who failed to heave Yokozuna on the battleship. Pretty sure Bret/Shawn was just a match to blow off the long running 1992 feud that started over the IC title post WM. I don't actually think there was a title match scheduled. Flair was just going to be WWF champ in that tag match with Razor vs. Warrior/Savage.
The whole Mr. Perfect angle leading up to that show was brilliant. Talk about a last minute change that worked big time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 9:07:44 GMT -5
I actually had that preview guide and definitely remember Bulldog/Mountie being announced in it. Mountie vanished in the fall of 1992 too, didn't he? He'd return in '93, with Pierre in tow, so I suspect he was just off TV while they figured what to do with him......because for most of '92 after the IC title spell in January, he basically didn't matter much at all (except beating jobbers on TV, teaming with the Nastys here and there, and a mini-feud with Slaughter after WM8 that I don't recall having an ending). |
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Post by Dean-o on Aug 22, 2013 12:06:56 GMT -5
The Bret vs Shawn match was announced before either of them held titles. Is that true? What was the story behind it? Just a random mid card match? I still have the WWE Survivor Series program, and yes it was indeed just a mid card match. The Mountie was challenging Bulldog for the IC Title, and Macho Man, as WWF Champion, was teaming with The Ultimate Warrior to face Flair & Razor. Before you know it, Bret is WWF Champ and Shawn is IC Champ. |
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 22, 2013 12:11:28 GMT -5
What's especially weird is that the late 1992 or early 1993 WWF Magazines had royal rumble ads with Warrior and Bulldog pictured.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 24, 2013 12:56:27 GMT -5
I still find it odd that they put the title on Bret so randomly. They put it on him on a random show in Canada, never televised the match vs. Flair (it was only on some Coliseum video), then wondered why he had trouble getting over. I would have ideally kept the IC on Bulldog, let Bret beat Shawn at Survivor Series to blow off that 1992 era feud, then Bret wins the Rumble and goes on to WM to challenge either Macho or Flair. I might go Macho since you could still do the Perfect face turn and have him face Flair in the loser leaves town match, just at WM where it could draw instead of on Raw.
Basically in my booking world Yokozuna doesn't get near the world title. And I would have been much happier.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Aug 24, 2013 13:15:49 GMT -5
Here is the back to 1992 Survivor Series Program:  It's really weird that Bret could go from being listed as "other great matches" to Champion so quickly. So what is the story of why they had to get the belt off of Savage on to Flair and then on to Bret when they did? |
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Post by lildude8218 on Aug 24, 2013 13:19:57 GMT -5
Jacques Rougeau actually quit in late October at a TV taping the day before they taped the SNME where Michaels beat Bulldog for the belt
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Aug 24, 2013 13:24:54 GMT -5
I think they took the title of Flair because he had some problems with an ear, messing up his equilibrium.
The choice for Bret was due to him being smaller and non-roidy looking, as they were dealing with the steriod-trial and its aftermath.
Same with the switch from Bulldog to Michaels, with the adding that Bulldog had failed a drugtest, too.
Why they switched from Savage to Flair so soon after Summerslam, I don't know, though.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 24, 2013 13:58:28 GMT -5
I think they took the title of Flair because he had some problems with an ear, messing up his equilibrium. The choice for Bret was due to him being smaller and non-roidy looking, as they were dealing with the steriod-trial and its aftermath. Same with the switch from Bulldog to Michaels, with the adding that Bulldog had failed a drugtest, too. Why they switched from Savage to Flair so soon after Summerslam, I don't know, though. Well the original plan for WrestleMania VIII was for Flair to keep the title in his match with Savage. This is part of the reason why the World Title match went on mid-way through the show and Hogan-Sid closed the show, so they would atleast send the fans home on a happy note. Savage hated the idea, feeling that after everything Flair put Savage and Elizabeth through he needed to get his revenge, and convinced WWF management to change it. Also the original plan for SummerSlam 92 was for the Warrior to win the title after its revealed that he soled out to Mr. Perfect and turns heel. Warrior though hated the idea of doing a heel turn and had it changed. So as you can see the WWF was never particularly big on giving Savage his second title reign to begin with. They were probably just waiting for the right time to have him drop it all summer. Also there were a lot of reports at the time that Bret Hart was seriously considering jumping to WCW. Promising him a World Title reign went a long way in getting him to stay with the WWF. |
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