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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 27, 2013 11:49:48 GMT -5
another thing is, AJ's a heel but so are the Bellas. from a kayfabe perspective there's nobody to root for. It's Natalya, it has to be. Even people who loved the promo are quick to point out that she shouldn't have been lumped in with The Bellas/Funkadactyls/JoJo/Eva Marie, so that's the most logical opponent for AJ. In fact, the Raw Backstage Fallout had the Bellas talk about the meaningless match and Natalya talk about AJ's promo: Miz looks like Christian Finnegan there.
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Post by lildude8218 on Aug 27, 2013 11:54:28 GMT -5
*wonders how many people realize that I made Natalya into Tardy Turtle in my last post*
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Aug 27, 2013 11:58:26 GMT -5
Yeah and they also thought that someone who put on debaeably the worst match in WWE history deserved to win that show. The audience was just dumb. I also wouldn't be surprised if when AJ walked backstage, all the guys were giving her wink wink nudge nudge good job signals since some have gone on record to say the show sucks The whole voting system for NXT was a joke. The fans only counted for 50% of the vote, so the WWE could have easily have tipped the scales with their vote to make sure the winner was the superstar/diva that they wanted, all the while pretending that the fans had a say in it. That was season 2. Season 3 was all fan voting.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 27, 2013 12:02:23 GMT -5
The whole segment made AJ look just as stupid. She (baded on her own rant) is the champion of a division full of fake/terrible wrestlers.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 27, 2013 12:08:00 GMT -5
She was getting face pops throughout. she made valid points about a terrible division being on E television. Gotta say if this were Punk I would have cared. But I really cannot be bothered with this girl. I tried to like her I really did. She's just as useless as the rest of em,Except AJ's great in the ring, charismatic as all hell, exceptional on the mic, over with the crowd, and by pro wrestling standards -- she's damn-near Oscar-worthy as an actress. The secret to winning an Oscar: a million head tilts and lots of skips.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 12:09:27 GMT -5
Except AJ's great in the ring, charismatic as all hell, exceptional on the mic, over with the crowd, and by pro wrestling standards -- she's damn-near Oscar-worthy as an actress. So clearly, she's not as "useless as the rest of them". As a character and in the ring -- AJ is on a level that only Trish Stratus, Mickie James, and to a degree Lita have been before. Alright, now I don't mind AJ, and I'll admit she's an ok actress, but Oscar level? Seriously? Hyperbole to the max right here. That wasn't the only hyperbole in the post you were responding to. Lita was hugely over during her run (pre-neck injury). Chyna was also probably the most over female of the last 15 years. AJ isn't near their level. And Oscar worthy even by wrestling standards is off base. Sunny, for example, was a much better talker than AJ, and I don't think I would ever confuse Sunny with Meryl Streep. I realize women being able to cut promos in wrestling is a rarity, whether due to ability or not being given the chance to, but let's not go overboard here. AJ, from the little I have seen of her, cannot play a convincing "crazy" character (head tilts and skipping doesn't exactly scream "female Brian Pillman"). Compared to the Bella's she is a great actor. In general, no.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 27, 2013 12:13:48 GMT -5
AJ's delivery last year was among the worst I have ever heard, if I had heard that in auditions for a student film in college I would've been a vote against her in most all cases. She sounded different yesterday, less forced. Still grating and obnoxious but a lot more professional and believable. She's improved.
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Post by CH Punk on Aug 27, 2013 12:13:58 GMT -5
It's Natalya, it has to be. Even people who loved the promo are quick to point out that she shouldn't have been lumped in with The Bellas/ Funkadactyls/JoJo/Eva Marie, so that's the most logical opponent for AJ. In fact, the Raw Backstage Fallout had the Bellas talk about the meaningless match and Natalya talk about AJ's promo: The Funkadactyls don't really deserve to be lumped in either. And while she hasn't wrestled yet, Jojo at least has shown talent with her singing and doing a decent job as ring announcer. While Cameron could be put in that group, I do agree that JoJo is too fresh to be criticized as a wrestler and the stuff she's done has been good and Naomi has shown that she can wrestle. I was more making reference to most people immediately defending Nattie, with only a small part backing up Naomi (and Brie to a certain extent).
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 27, 2013 12:14:14 GMT -5
AJ couldn't act her way into a paper bag. INTO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 12:19:07 GMT -5
While AJ was going on with her dumbassed rant Big Johnny should have interrupted and said: "Ladies, ladies there's plenty of room in the hot tub for everyone" and then they all go get into the hot tub with Big Johnny and Sexual Chocolate.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Aug 27, 2013 12:40:41 GMT -5
Maybe I grade on a bit of a curve when it comes to acting in the Divas division, but I think that by Diva standards, AJ is head and shoulders above the rest. Of course, when your main competition is the porn-level acting of the Bellas, the awkwardness of Natalya and the forced catchphrases of Cameron, that's not saying much. Even so, I think she deserves the credit she gets.
AJ's biggest problem is that she's basically a Trish without a Lita, meaning that she doesn't have an opponent who is at her level (or is at least seen by the audience as being at her level). I think Kaitlyn will get there eventually, but they have to be a little more patient with her.
As to the storyline, I still think that AJ was supposed to be a heel here, but it's really hard to boo the girl who dreamed about being a Diva her whole life and then worked her way to the top of the division. Especially when the responses of the Divas she's insulting make them seem even less likeable.
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Post by Steveweiser on Aug 27, 2013 13:15:56 GMT -5
Good response by Natalya in that video, claiming BS on AJ saying she was homeless, yet somehow finding enough money to attend a lot of WWE shows as a kid.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Aug 27, 2013 13:18:17 GMT -5
AJ's biggest problem is that she's basically a Lita without a Trish, meaning that she doesn't have an opponent who is at her level (or is at least seen by the audience as being at her level). I think Kaitlyn will get there eventually, but they have to be a little more patient with her. Fixed.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 27, 2013 13:20:28 GMT -5
Good response by Natalya in that video, claiming BS on AJ saying she was homeless, yet somehow finding enough money to attend a lot of WWE shows as a kid. AJ could kill her by saying "they were giving away free tickets outside the arena"
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Post by Crimson on Aug 27, 2013 13:29:46 GMT -5
another thing is, AJ's a heel but so are the Bellas. from a kayfabe perspective there's nobody to root for. It's Natalya, it has to be. Even people who loved the promo are quick to point out that she shouldn't have been lumped in with The Bellas/Funkadactyls/JoJo/Eva Marie, so that's the most logical opponent for AJ. In fact, the Raw Backstage Fallout had the Bellas talk about the meaningless match and Natalya talk about AJ's promo: This is why faces should be allowed to actually get mic time. Natalya is hardly the most charismatic on the mic but she effectively dismantled AJ's argument there.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Aug 27, 2013 13:31:04 GMT -5
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Post by theryno665 on Aug 27, 2013 13:43:10 GMT -5
While AJ was going on with her dumbassed rant Big Johnny should have interrupted and said: "Ladies, ladies there's plenty of room in the hot tub for everyone" and then they all go get into the hot tub with Big Johnny and Sexual Chocolate. And then the Bellas could poop in the hot tub.
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Post by Steveweiser on Aug 27, 2013 13:48:27 GMT -5
Good response by Natalya in that video, claiming BS on AJ saying she was homeless, yet somehow finding enough money to attend a lot of WWE shows as a kid. AJ could kill her by saying "they were giving away free tickets outside the arena" Not exactly the best thing to say on WWE programming...
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 27, 2013 14:01:00 GMT -5
AJ's biggest problem is that she's basically a Trish without a Lita, meaning that she doesn't have an opponent who is at her level (or is at least seen by the audience as being at her level). I think Kaitlyn will get there eventually, but they have to be a little more patient with her. Maybe if the WWE wouldn't have booked the feud so one-sided Kaitlyn would be in a better spot. AJ reveals she's behind Kaitlyn's admirer runs her down on the mic, and then makes her tap for the Divas Title. The rematch for the Divas Title, AJ makes Kaitlyn tap again, and the next time they face off for the title, AJ makes Kaitlyn tap again. Of course Kaitlyn's not seen at AJ's level, AJ has owned her repeatedly and never really got comeuppance for anything she did to Kaitlyn. Losing a mixed tag isn't comeuppance.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 27, 2013 14:10:23 GMT -5
AJ's biggest problem is that she's basically a Trish without a Lita, meaning that she doesn't have an opponent who is at her level (or is at least seen by the audience as being at her level). I think Kaitlyn will get there eventually, but they have to be a little more patient with her. Maybe if the WWE wouldn't have booked the feud so one-sided Kaitlyn would be in a better spot. AJ reveals she's behind Kaitlyn's admirer runs her down on the mic, and then makes her tap for the Divas Title. The rematch for the Divas Title, AJ makes Kaitlyn tap again, and the next time they face off for the title, AJ makes Kaitlyn tap again. Of course Kaitlyn's not seen at AJ's level, AJ has owned her repeatedly and never really got comeuppance for anything she did to Kaitlyn. Losing a mixed tag isn't comeuppance. This. Oh, and you forgot Lalya's redicuously obvious heel turn that even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder could see coming. Of course no other face diva looks credible. The only diva at all they've really pushed for the last 8-12 months is AJ
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