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Post by BigWill on Sept 2, 2013 23:08:40 GMT -5
I should point out that, just like I figured, they didn't air either of Natalya's rebuttals. Which is exactly what I said, AJ is Vince's baby, and no one is allowed to actually get an upper hand in the feud against her. She just shits on them, and they just take it. Which is a shame, because there's so much material there. When she said her "first love" has always been the Divas championship, it took me all of two minutes to come up with "Really? Because I figured your first love has always been being the center of attention. It was what you were looking for when you were grinding on Tony Chimel and making out with Cody Rhodes on NXT, and it was what you were looking for when you were "romantically linked" with every top guy in WWE last year". You're kind of taking things out of context with your last paragraph. AJ was dancing with Tony Chimel and kissed Cody Rhodes because that was part of the competitions on NXT, not because she just felt like doing them to get attention. She was doing it to try and win, just like all the other divas on the show.
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Post by oneday on Sept 2, 2013 23:18:11 GMT -5
The finish of the segment was off, and the OP was probably picking up on the fact that ending the segment with AJ looking unconcious and the ref being all frantic to revive her is probably too sympathetic for the villain Diva to be booked. Not only that, since when is Brie Bella a face?! I get that she is on Total Divas, but not in the WWE Universe last I checked... but if we are merging those two worlds where was Brie at when Bryan was getting his butt kicked? I didn't see her run towards the ring even though she had to be on the ramp with the other Superstars and Divas. Surely if she is a face she should openly align herself with Daniel Bryan, the booking is just all over the place when Total Divas is concerned so who's to say if AJ is gonna get booed. Brie is still a heel. She just wants to beat the crap out of Aj and take the title. The Twins have took shots at AJ since they've comeback to the WWE because they want the title.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 2, 2013 23:23:12 GMT -5
I should point out that, just like I figured, they didn't air either of Natalya's rebuttals. Which is exactly what I said, AJ is Vince's baby, and no one is allowed to actually get an upper hand in the feud against her. She just shits on them, and they just take it. Which is a shame, because there's so much material there. When she said her "first love" has always been the Divas championship, it took me all of two minutes to come up with "Really? Because I figured your first love has always been being the center of attention. It was what you were looking for when you were grinding on Tony Chimel and making out with Cody Rhodes on NXT, and it was what you were looking for when you were "romantically linked" with every top guy in WWE last year". You're kind of taking things out of context with your last paragraph. AJ was dancing with Tony Chimel and kissed Cody Rhodes because that was part of the competitions on NXT, not because she just felt like doing them to get attention. She was doing it to try and win, just like all the other divas on the show. Actually, Naomi bowed out of the Kissing Contest. The same Naomi who dismissed a rather silly Talk the Talk contest, saying "Aren't we here to wrestle." The same Naomi that is in the Total Divas cast that AJ said didn't care... about wrestling. The problem with context is, even in context, AJ's arguments are so full of holes it's ridiculous. Also, all of the other divas on the show didn't jump on Cody like a damn spider monkey. Just saying.
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Post by BigWill on Sept 2, 2013 23:33:40 GMT -5
You're kind of taking things out of context with your last paragraph. AJ was dancing with Tony Chimel and kissed Cody Rhodes because that was part of the competitions on NXT, not because she just felt like doing them to get attention. She was doing it to try and win, just like all the other divas on the show. Actually, Naomi bowed out of the Kissing Contest. The same Naomi who dismissed a rather silly Talk the Talk contest, saying "Aren't we here to wrestle." The same Naomi that is in the Total Divas cast that AJ said didn't care... about wrestling. The problem with context is, even in context, AJ's arguments are so full of holes it's ridiculous. Also, all of the other divas on the show didn't jump on Cody like a damn spider monkey. Just saying. Naomi spent most of her WWE career shaking her ass for the fans. Natalya recently was doing more dancing with Khali and Hornswoggle than wrestling. The Bellas spent an entire year whoring themselves out to Raw guest hosts. Lets not pretend that it's just AJ that's been doing things for attention, and aren't really focused on wrestling. And if you look deep enough, you can find holes in pretty much every wrestling promo ever done. There's a reason the WWE doesn't constantly bring up continuity. If they did, every storyline they ever did would make all involved look like hypocrites.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 2, 2013 23:42:44 GMT -5
Actually, Naomi bowed out of the Kissing Contest. The same Naomi who dismissed a rather silly Talk the Talk contest, saying "Aren't we here to wrestle." The same Naomi that is in the Total Divas cast that AJ said didn't care... about wrestling. The problem with context is, even in context, AJ's arguments are so full of holes it's ridiculous. Also, all of the other divas on the show didn't jump on Cody like a damn spider monkey. Just saying. Naomi spent most of her WWE career shaking her ass for the fans. Natalya recently was doing more dancing with Khali and Hornswoggle than wrestling. The Bellas spent an entire year whoring themselves out to Raw guest hosts. Lets not pretend that it's just AJ that's been doing things for attention, and aren't really focused on wrestling. And if you look deep enough, you can find holes in pretty much every wrestling promo ever done. There's a reason the WWE doesn't constantly bring up continuity. If they did, every storyline they ever did would make all involved look like hypocrites. Duly noted. I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said. In fact, I wholly agree with the last part there. I'd just like for everyone to remember that AJ is the heel here, not some prophesied vanguard of women's wrestling on a white horse. An actual rebuttal would be nice, too.
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Post by gl83 on Sept 2, 2013 23:52:51 GMT -5
Naomi spent most of her WWE career shaking her ass for the fans. Natalya recently was doing more dancing with Khali and Hornswoggle than wrestling. The Bellas spent an entire year whoring themselves out to Raw guest hosts. Lets not pretend that it's just AJ that's been doing things for attention, and aren't really focused on wrestling. And if you look deep enough, you can find holes in pretty much every wrestling promo ever done. There's a reason the WWE doesn't constantly bring up continuity. If they did, every storyline they ever did would make all involved look like hypocrites. Duly noted. I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said. In fact, I wholly agree with the last part there. I'd just like for everyone to remember that AJ is the heel here, not some prophesied vanguard of women's wrestling on a white horse. An actual rebuttal would be nice, too. Yeah, but like Punk's "Pipebomb" which was in essence a Heel promo, it could also be used to turn a person Face down the road as did happen to CM Punk.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 0:20:21 GMT -5
SAY IT TO MY FACE AJ!!!!!
AJ should have turned face with Dolph. That's the real issue.
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Post by CrazySting on Sept 3, 2013 0:25:01 GMT -5
Total Divas essentially glorifies Nikki's quest to be a do-nothing trophy wife.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 0:33:45 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the long term plan is to turn AJ face. It may take several mini storylines to do it but that's the impression I'm getting.
The promo was a start. Didn't turn her face but it was trying to point her in that direction.
Getting beat up by everyone in a situation that seemed less like turning the tables on her and more like a classic beatdown was another piece.
I expect to see more stuff like it coming up. Stuff that doesn't turn her face standalone but just all adds up. They wouldn't bother with all that for other divas but AJ seems to be the one they think has some possible star power.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 3, 2013 3:25:39 GMT -5
Hard to have any sympathy for AJ, who thought it would be a smart move to interfere in a match with three people that she verbally ran down the week before. What exactly was she expecting to happen from that? In real life you talk all this shit to people and proceed to attack them even though they have a march. AJ talked so much shit and tried to jump them. Then she got put down like she should.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Sept 3, 2013 6:04:37 GMT -5
I'm very glad Kaitlyn is being left out of this.
She's above this.
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Post by BigWill on Sept 3, 2013 6:16:34 GMT -5
I'm very glad Kaitlyn is being left out of this. She's above this. Yeah, that's a nice way to spin the WWE not finding her interesting enough to give her something to do on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 8:13:44 GMT -5
During the WWE App backstage segment, they were all bitching and moaning about AJ and not attempting to even do anything about it, proclaimed themselves to be role models and needed Stephanie McMahon to get them on the right path. During the match, instead of taking turns punishing the heel to look for revenge (usually how a multi face beatdown is done), they all gang up on AJ until she's out cold. During the Title match announcement, they continue to bitch about AJ and, again, need Stephanie to get them on track. They really do look like empowering female role models for girls. Regardless of WWE's intent, they've turned AJ a de facto face in the feud and I hope they do a double turn soon with the Total Divas (as much as I like Total Divas, they don't get my sympy because they look like the worst people). Between this and Miley looking and acting like a filthy whore last weekend, the women's rights movement has never looked more wrong.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Sept 3, 2013 8:24:31 GMT -5
I'm very glad Kaitlyn is being left out of this. She's above this. Yeah, that's a nice way to spin the WWE not finding her interesting enough to give her something to do on TV. What? Of course I'm upset Kaitlyn's not on TV, but I'd really rather her not be bunched up in this "Total Divas" mess. And LOL at insinuating WWE finds even half of the "Total Divas" interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 8:28:52 GMT -5
They're terrible creatures. "I ran into a couple of divas not long ago. Annoying wrestlers." "Well at least they're sloppy, and not too bright. Their tongues are sharp, though." "Goodbye." "Goodbye."
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Post by gl83 on Sept 3, 2013 9:03:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the long term plan is to turn AJ face. It may take several mini storylines to do it but that's the impression I'm getting. The promo was a start. Didn't turn her face but it was trying to point her in that direction. Getting beat up by everyone in a situation that seemed less like turning the tables on her and more like a classic beatdown was another piece. I expect to see more stuff like it coming up. Stuff that doesn't turn her face standalone but just all adds up. They wouldn't bother with all that for other divas but AJ seems to be the one they think has some possible star power. Yeah, it was kind of weird. Most of the time when we see a Heel beatdown, we get what I term as "The Volleyball effect", where the Heel just gets bounced around. We've seen it before where the Heel gets punched by one person, who stumbles around and then gets hit by the other person who stumbles into the third person and gets clocked. Whereupon the Heel either rolls out of the ring to lick their wounds and stumbles up the ramp or the wrestlers doing the beating up grab the Heel and chuck them out of the ring themselves, or even doing the Heel goes outside to run away only to get grabbed and thrown back into the ring. But they didn't do that. I mean AJ wasn't begging off like most Heels do, she was trying to fight them all one after another at the same time before finally getting overwhelmed by the numbers game and getting a gang beatdown. I expect that kind of thing from a never back down type of Face(John Cena/Daniel Bryan) against a Heel stable(Nexus/Shield), not from someone who's suppose to be a Heel themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 9:05:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the long term plan is to turn AJ face. It may take several mini storylines to do it but that's the impression I'm getting. The promo was a start. Didn't turn her face but it was trying to point her in that direction. Getting beat up by everyone in a situation that seemed less like turning the tables on her and more like a classic beatdown was another piece. I expect to see more stuff like it coming up. Stuff that doesn't turn her face standalone but just all adds up. They wouldn't bother with all that for other divas but AJ seems to be the one they think has some possible star power. Yeah, it was kind of weird. Most of the time when we see a Heel beatdown, we get what I term as "The Volleyball effect", where the Heel just gets bounced around. We've seen it before where the Heel gets punched by one person, who syumbles around and then gets hit by the other person who stumbles into the third person and gets clocked. Whereupon the Heel either rolls out of the ring to lick their wounds and stumbles up the ramp or the wrestlers doing the beating up grab the Heel and chuck them out of the ring themselves, or even doing the Heel goes outside to run away only to get grabbed and thrown back intot he ring. But they didn't do that. I mean AJ wasn't begging off like most Heels do, she was trying to fight them all one after another at the same time before finally getting overwhelmed by the numbers game and getting a gang beatdown. I expect that kind of thing from a never back down type of Face(John Cen a & Daniel bryan) against a Heel stable(Nexus/Shield), not from someone who's suppose to be a Heel themselves. Also, Naomi kicking AJ when she was out cold was a very un-face like visual.
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Post by hossfan on Sept 3, 2013 9:12:44 GMT -5
It was a hot mess. Everyone of them looked so heelish I expected it was all a set up for a new Diva to debut by running to the ring and laying out all of them.
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Sept 3, 2013 9:34:14 GMT -5
This whole angle is just bad, and everyone involved looks like a chump if you ask me. AJ talked shit to a bunch of women and then tried to jump all of them at the same time, alone.
The rest of those idiots stood there shouting "SAY THAT TO MY FACE" while there was literally nothing stopping them from going up there and kicking AJ's ass. There's like eight Total Divas and one AJ. What the f*** are you thinking?!
They're fun to look at, but this shit is ridiculous. Can we just reshuffle the Divas 'Division' please? Take the Bellas, Eva Marie and so on, make them valets. ACTUALLY CALL UP SOME OF THE GIRLS ON NXT THAT CAN WRESTLE A MATCH WITHOUT A RESTHOLD THIRTY f***ING SECONDS INTO THE MATCH and stop telling them not to have good matches 'cause the guys don't want to look bad.
It's bullshit. BULLSHIT I SAY.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 3, 2013 9:43:09 GMT -5
This whole angle is just bad, and everyone involved looks like a chump if you ask me. AJ talked shit to a bunch of women and then tried to jump all of them at the same time, alone. The rest of those idiots stood there shouting "SAY THAT TO MY FACE" while there was literally nothing stopping them from going up there and kicking AJ's ass. There's like eight Total Divas and one AJ. What the f*** are you thinking?! They're fun to look at, but this shit is ridiculous. Can we just reshuffle the Divas 'Division' please? Take the Bellas, Eva Marie and so on, make them valets. ACTUALLY CALL UP SOME OF THE GIRLS ON NXT THAT CAN WRESTLE A MATCH WITHOUT A RESTHOLD THIRTY f***ING SECONDS INTO THE MATCH and stop telling them not to have good matches 'cause the guys don't want to look bad. It's bullshit. BULLSHIT I SAY. Kaitlyn/AJ had at least two legitmately good matches in their series. It would seem that the rest-holds have been mostly unavoidable, though.
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