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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 15, 2013 0:20:14 GMT -5
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 15, 2013 4:03:50 GMT -5
So, the guy who used to be a cult worshiper to a guy who acted like Satan, who then turned into a body guard who was paid in beer, who then became a Wall Street millionaire from Texas and one time traveled up and down the Mexican border to toss out "illegals" is getting negative backlash over what he said about a woman, that wasn't really that bad?? Professional Wrestling AJ fans are the most butthurt ever. Nobody is allowed to dislike or insult her. JBL and Lawler are loudmouth overbearing characters. No problem with them burying aj when she just rambled about nothing Some people are saying she was a better commentator than punk lol
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Post by BigWill on Sept 15, 2013 4:24:13 GMT -5
To start off, let me say that I wasn't offended at all by JBL's comments towards AJ.
The thing is though, that the whole segment struck me as odd. JBL's a heel commentator, so one would think he would be agreeing with AJ while she was on commentary with him. I mean, that's what he usually does. He goes out of his way and comes up with strange logic to justify every heels actions, while Cole tries to find flaws in his argument and Lawler cracks corny jokes in the background. But for whatever reason, JBL seemed hostile towards AJ, so it all felt out of place. People are already questioning the feud because it looks at times that they're booking AJ like a face, when she's clearly not, and commentary was kind of making it worse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 4:54:56 GMT -5
To start off, let me say that I wasn't offended at all by JBL's comments towards AJ. The thing is though, that the whole segment struck me as odd. JBL's a heel commentator, so one would think he would be agreeing with AJ while she was on commentary with him. I mean, that's what he usually does. He goes out of his way and comes up with strange logic to justify every heels actions, while Cole tries to find flaws in his argument and Lawler cracks corny jokes in the background. But for whatever reason, JBL seemed hostile towards AJ, so it all felt out of place. People are already questioning the feud because it looks at times that they're booking AJ like a face, when she's clearly not, and commentary was kind of making it worse. That's kind of the thing though... JBL doesn't agree with EVERY heel. Look at The Miz during his first run as a commentator for an example of that. I think the general rule on JBL commentary is that he doesn't agree with the people who feel entitled to stuff. When Cody Rhodes turned face because he thought Sandow screwed him out the MITB, JBL sided with Sandow because Sandow was in the right. He didn't dislike Cody Rhodes or think less of him, he just agreed with Sandow's point of view. He's about winning and doing whatever it takes to win or being smart and living to fight another day. AJ in this feud is an entitled character. She "deserves" to be there and be Divas Champion because she was a fan as a kid and worked to get there. I don't think JBL cares who does or doesn't deserve to be in WWE. In fact, I think as a character, he'd applaud the Bellas for only having their jobs because of who they're dating, as AJ put it. JBL likes Naomi because she's athletic and has unique offense, but hasn't done anything to annoy him character-wise, so she's inoffensive. And obviously with Natalya's lineage, he respects her, the same as he respects AJ as a wrestler. So yeah. JBL doesn't back up all heels or put down all faces. He regularly praises everyone. It's just that AJ's character right now, is the kind of person that would annoy JBL the announcer. I think that's what people are forgetting. JBL puts nearly everyone over in-ring, face or heel, but when it comes to characters, he doesn't always side one alignment over the other. At the same time though, all three commentators disagreeing/arguing with AJ is better for the storyline. AJ is supposed to believe that the WWE is disrespecting her by putting her with the Total Divas "reality star wannabes" crowd, so if the commentators were vindicating her and telling her she was right, it wouldn't make much sense for the AJ character.
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Post by BigWill on Sept 15, 2013 5:07:17 GMT -5
I'm talking about JBL as a commentator today. Not JBL in 2006. I can't think of a single time since his return where he's bashed a heel like that. And I never said anything about him putting down the faces. I know full well he gives faces props when they deserve it. But he does always back the heels. It's inconsistent that he'd suddenly have a problem with AJ's heel character. It's not that much different than Punk's heel character in 2012, with demanding respect, an putting the title above everything else. JBL didn't have a problem with Punk then. And if he can justify a character like Orton, surely AJ's shouldn't be a problem.
Also, I agree that they should be arguing with AJ. I never said they all should be vindicating her and telling her she's right. But it should be JBL that's doing it, with Cole and King disagreeing with him. That's usually how these things go, but for some reason it's been the opposite with this feud, and is the reason many people seem confused with it.
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Post by celticjobber on Sept 15, 2013 5:11:57 GMT -5
I'm talking about JBL as a commentator today. Not JBL in 2006. I can't think of a single time since his return where he's bashed a heel like that. And I never said anything about him putting down the faces. I know full well he gives faces props when they deserve it. But he does always back the heels. It's inconsistent that he'd suddenly have a problem with AJ's heel character. It's not that much different than Punk's heel character in 2012, with demanding respect, an putting the title above everything else. JBL didn't have a problem with Punk then. And if he can justify a character like Orton, surely AJ's shouldn't be a problem. Also, I agree that they should be arguing with AJ. I never said they all should be vindicating her and telling her she's right. But it should be JBL that's doing it, with Cole and King disagreeing with him. That's usually how these things go, but for some reason it's been the opposite with this feud, and is the reason many people seem confused with it. The odd thing is, JBL and Lawler both basically said they agreed with AJ after her "pipebomb" promo a few weeks ago on the Total Divas.
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Post by botchingitup on Sept 15, 2013 5:50:30 GMT -5
The thing is, people arguing that JBL being sexist is part of his character need to realize that falls apart when you realize that much of what he was saying was contingent on non-kayfabe things.
JBL doesn't go OH THIS DIVA'S DIVISION IS GARBAGE every time there's a Diva's Match on like Cole used to. So him mocking the tattoo and AJ's excitement doesn't make that much sense.
It was a sorta-kayfabe-breaking series of gestures and he's backpedaling. Pretty much it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 10:48:41 GMT -5
Cole needs to teach everyone how to do it and start pounding the gong again.
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