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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 19:33:03 GMT -5
The basic idea: Get a woman who consensus agrees looks pretty good, or better yet, really good. But is also someone who knows how to do a multitude of "fundamental" wrestling moves, like submission holds, basic throws, and other mat wrestling type maneuvers. And push her as a face; preferably, the main face. No special gimmickry or attire is needed, that can vary based upon whatever suits the performer in question.
There's a caveat: She's not billed or booked as the most athletic, the toughest, strongest or even bravest woman in the company. Instead, she wins her matches based on her technique and her intellect. Doesn't play dirty, doesn't use general bitchiness, and doesn't try to seduce anyone. She just happens to be pretty, but because she's not as powerful as some other people, relies on carefully-honed skills to win.
The idea draws on the Japanese concept of the onna-bugeisha, a high-status female warrior. Because women in Japan were simply not going to be as big or strong as men on average, they used alternative training sets with emphasis on weapons and techniques where raw strength was not a significant requirement. They could be very "ladylike" in how they looked and conducted themselves but were just as capable of male warriors because of the time they spent working on their skills.
Do you think this would work as a character type in WWE? If so, is there anyone you can think of who could pull off this kind of character, convincingly?
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Sept 23, 2013 19:34:33 GMT -5
I went into this thread hoping for face-paint, arm tassels, racing to the ring, and quick squashes consisting of clotheslines and a gorilla splash.
I am profoundly disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 19:36:49 GMT -5
I went into this thread hoping for face-paint, arm tassels, racing to the ring, and quick squashes consisting of clotheslines and a gorilla splash. I am profoundly disappointed. I suspected this would happen. I have, as a result, changed the thread title.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 23, 2013 19:37:54 GMT -5
I went into this thread hoping for face-paint, arm tassels, racing to the ring, and quick squashes consisting of clotheslines and a gorilla splash. I am profoundly disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 19:40:45 GMT -5
The basic idea: Get a woman who consensus agrees looks pretty good, or better yet, really good. But is also someone who knows how to do a multitude of "fundamental" wrestling moves, like submission holds, basic throws, and other mat wrestling type maneuvers. And push her as a face; preferably, the main face. No special gimmickry or attire is needed, that can vary based upon whatever suits the performer in question. There's a caveat: She's not billed or booked as the most athletic, the toughest, strongest or even bravest woman in the company. Instead, she wins her matches based on her technique and her intellect. Doesn't play dirty, doesn't use general bitchiness, and doesn't try to seduce anyone. She just happens to be pretty, but because she's not as powerful as some other people, relies on carefully-honed skills to win. The idea draws on the Japanese concept of the onna-bugeisha, a high-status female warrior. Because women in Japan were simply not going to be as big or strong as men on average, they used alternative training sets with emphasis on weapons and techniques where raw strength was not a significant requirement. They could be very "ladylike" in how they looked and conducted themselves but were just as capable of male warriors because of the time they spent working on their skills. Do you think this would work as a character type in WWE? If so, is there anyone you can think of who could pull off this kind of character, convincingly? Aside from the face disposition that sounds very much like Jazz to me. A capable fighter with more technique than any other female wrestler on the roster who could take apart pretty much everyone. I know she was around at a time where she had to play 2nd place at best (much like Molly etc) but yeah. I'd like the gimmick, frankly I'd enjoy anything with more great female wrestlers. As much as I like AJ/Kaitlyn and a few others who constantly improve, they still aren't the best of the best in wrestling terms so...yes.
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Post by Rave on Sept 23, 2013 20:25:16 GMT -5
Sounds like Beth Phoenix.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 21:10:29 GMT -5
Sounds like Beth Phoenix. Nope. Neither like Beth, nor like Jazz. Neither were known for their aesthetic appeal to casual fans, and both were booked as being physically stronger than other people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 21:41:28 GMT -5
Yes, the revolutionary concept of "good wrestler" would work well in the divas division
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Post by Rave on Sept 23, 2013 21:47:51 GMT -5
Sounds like Beth Phoenix. Nope. Neither like Beth, nor like Jazz. Neither were known for their aesthetic appeal to casual fans, and both were booked as being physically stronger than other people. OK then. Maybe Natalya, if they stopped giving her dumb stuff to do?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2013 21:52:37 GMT -5
Nope. Neither like Beth, nor like Jazz. Neither were known for their aesthetic appeal to casual fans, and both were booked as being physically stronger than other people. OK then. Maybe Natalya, if they stopped giving her dumb stuff to do? I think Natalya's part of that group too. Not as evident as Beth and Jazz, but still too stout and power-oriented, especially compared to the current crop of divas. I mean someone who doesn't stand out as being much stronger than any average diva.
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Post by Talent Name on Sept 23, 2013 22:13:48 GMT -5
What about resigning Ivelisse
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Post by mizerable on Sept 23, 2013 22:14:55 GMT -5
Is she going to wear a yellow jockstrap mask?
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Post by metylerca on Sept 23, 2013 22:31:25 GMT -5
She'd be in the Divas division. It'd suck regardless because it takes place in the Divas division. The same division that gets 2 minute matches each week. The same division that has a wrestler whose entire offensive repertoire consists of her doing the splits and smashing her ass into her opponents each week. The very same division that accounts for 90% of the weekly botches on televised wrestling shows.
There's nothing outside of a complete overhaul with firings and restructuring that will suddenly make the Divas division more than your average piss break.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 23, 2013 22:33:28 GMT -5
She'd be in the Divas division. It'd suck regardless because it takes place in the Divas division. The same division that gets 2 minute matches each week. The same division that has a wrestler whose entire offensive repertoire consists of her doing the splits and smashing her ass into her opponents each week. The very same division that accounts for 90% of the weekly botches on televised wrestling shows. There's nothing outside of a complete overhaul with firings and restructuring that will suddenly make the Divas division more than your average piss break. The Divas they have could get a bit more training. The WWE Performance Center should be used to help polish the current roster too. Not just forget about them and focus entirely on the new talent. And that goes for both the female and male stars.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Sept 23, 2013 23:21:08 GMT -5
... still won't make me care about the Divas division.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Sept 23, 2013 23:28:07 GMT -5
Is she going to wear a yellow jockstrap mask? Came in here to post this. Any solid female wrestlers from Portugal?
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Post by hassanchop on Sept 24, 2013 0:17:06 GMT -5
Only if they use a big stick in the ring and hit everybody with it.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 24, 2013 0:20:39 GMT -5
I'd be for it.
But then I'd be for any diva having an actual personality (AJ excluded since she actually does have one. Steph too if we're counting her as a diva although, I don't since she doesn't actually wrestle).
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 24, 2013 3:33:46 GMT -5
I went into this thread hoping for face-paint, arm tassels, racing to the ring, and quick squashes consisting of clotheslines and a gorilla splash. I am profoundly disappointed. I want to enter parts unknown
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 6:54:28 GMT -5
She'd be in the Divas division. It'd suck regardless because it takes place in the Divas division. The same division that gets 2 minute matches each week. The same division that has a wrestler whose entire offensive repertoire consists of her doing the splits and smashing her ass into her opponents each week. The very same division that accounts for 90% of the weekly botches on televised wrestling shows. There's nothing outside of a complete overhaul with firings and restructuring that will suddenly make the Divas division more than your average piss break. The very idea of her doing actual wrestling moves takes it for granted that the division is in a better place when it happens. Which, since the question of "Do you think women's wrestling should have more time/wrestling" is almost universally agreed upon with "yes," I figured making this wouldn't be a horrendous idea.
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