BigJerichool222
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Sept 28, 2013 20:47:16 GMT -5
What would he even say about the reign of terror, anyway? WELL UH...I BEAT A LOT OF GUYS AND THE INTERNET WASN'T VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT. YEAH...I MADE PEOPLE LOOK BAD I GUESS.
In fact, if they did a 5-10 minute discussion of how he buried guys, I'd guess that just as many, if not MORE, people would complain that he's so egotistical to brag about going over so many wrestlers.
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Post by thetower52 on Sept 28, 2013 20:58:12 GMT -5
They got f***ing {Spoiler} Brock lesnar on this damn DVD
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BigBadZ
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Post by BigBadZ on Sept 28, 2013 21:04:16 GMT -5
I didn't care for it myself. They glossed over a lot of things that they could have gotten much more in depth with, and then spent 20 minutes talking about his relationship with Stephanie. There was no addressing of the reign of terror "burials" from his perspective, nothing at all about his well documented stuff with Jericho, it was just a fluff piece like everyone else has said. I just wanted to hear Triple H's side of a lot of the controversial stuff, and didn't really get it. Bingo. You put it much more succinctly than I did. I dont get how its receiving some of the praise it is. Yes, it is very well made. Yes, there is stuff here that is very engaging, but the omissions are glaring. I did not expect to see him getting into a lot of the controversial stuff, but some of the missing pieces are very big to his personality and how he's perceived by a lot of people. I'd have loved to hear about his reaction to the Montreal Screwjob (he took a LOT of blame at the time). I'd like to have heard how his courtship with Stephanie started while he was still in a serious relationship with Chyna. While these things don't paint him in a necessarily great light, it at the very least humanizes him. Instead we get this portrait of this amazing guy with very few flaws that's had a storybook life. I have always liked or at the very least respected HHH (I still do). I've never been one to complain about him, even during the "Reign of Terror". Every person has his flaws though and its a shame this was so company-slanted rather than a real documentary. IMO it was even more slanted than McMahon was. I'd put this in the lower end of WWE documentaries on whole. There have been far better and far worse ones. It was humiliating buying a movie that's titled 'King of Kings' then have a perfectly sculpted man on the back, sitting in a speedo but I digress. But yea,like what BigJerichool222 said, what or why would they get into that terrible time?? I was one of the fans that was so fed up with that reign of terror that I stopped watching WWE all together for a couple of years and I don't want to re-visit that period very much. The stuff with the personal relationship with Chyna during the beginning of his relationship with Steph has no reason to be included in this dvd at all. I was kind of hoping there would be a small section of Survivor Series 1997 but then again, that whole story and rivalry had it's own dvd release.
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 29, 2013 1:21:50 GMT -5
Ok, I'm watching, I'll come back and edit as I think of things to say.
Find it interesting he mentions he wanted to look like wrestlers, so he got into bodybuilding, only wrestler mentioned so far Strongbow, decidedly not a sculpted figure.
Ok, his story of how Killer gave him his name his hilarious.
What was his punishment? Around this time he was in a feud with Mero, Mankind, Perfect was with him, I saw him wrestle Stone Cold at a house show. Seems his whole punishment was his feud with Henry O. Godwinn.
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Post by spagett on Sept 29, 2013 2:44:51 GMT -5
Ok, I'm watching, I'll come back and edit as I think of things to say. Find it interesting he mentions he wanted to look like wrestlers, so he got into bodybuilding, only wrestler mentioned so far Strongbow, decidedly not a sculpted figure. Ok, his story of how Killer gave him his name his hilarious. What was his punishment? Around this time he was in a feud with Mero, Mankind, Perfect was with him, I saw him wrestle Stone Cold at a house show. Seems his whole punishment was his feud with Henry O. Godwinn. His punishment after the curtain call at MSG is so overplayed and exaggerated. He goes on about how he was expected to eat plates of crap and learn to love it and about how he went to the bottom of the card but all I can see that was an actual punishment was him not winning the King of the Ring. He jobbed for a few weeks on house shows but he was doing that anyway. The incident at MSG was in May and he won the IC title in October. The pigpen and slop bucket stuff with Henry O Godwin was all pre the incident anyway, I don't know why the WWE have tried to retcon that into being part of the punishment. I think he exaggerates it to try and show that he hasn't always had it easy and that he "paid his dues" or something.
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Paco
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Post by Paco on Sept 29, 2013 7:05:27 GMT -5
Triple H jobbed non-stop from May to October. I remember being shocked by seeing Triple H finally beat a lowly jobber as a warm-up to his match with Mr. Perfect. I hadn't seen a Helmsley win in FOREVER. A week or so later: new IC Champ (and thus a re-push).
The Godwinn feud was indeed during his initial push though. Not a punishment at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 7:41:08 GMT -5
Asskissing aside, it's a pretty good documentary. IMO miles better than Austin's and Foley's documentaries and behind only Punk & Edge.
Nice one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 14:18:39 GMT -5
They didn't even talk about his 2000 feud with Foley, IMO his best feud ever.
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Post by gnr123 on Sept 29, 2013 15:40:06 GMT -5
Oh no, their praising him on his DVD!
The double standard with Triple H is ridiculous.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 29, 2013 15:43:14 GMT -5
They didn't even talk about his 2000 feud with Foley, IMO his best feud ever. The 'E covered it extensively in Foley's most recent one, and assume that their audience, of course, keep a complete catalogue of WWE releases.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 29, 2013 15:57:32 GMT -5
Oh no, their praising him on his DVD! The double standard with Triple H is ridiculous. Are you not actually reading the posts? Most people aren't complaining that they're praising Triple H. The problem is the fact that pretty much all they do is praise him, whereas in other documentaries they'll actually dig into the dirt and show guys in a not so positive light. Everyone's documentary glorifies the performer, but none of the others do so in such a one-sided manner. Punk's DVD covers a lot of dirt, Edge's sheds a pretty non-biased light on the Matt Hardy situation, and Dusty Rhodes' covers his issues as a father with Dustin. Triple H's doesn't get into that sort of thing. This DVD would have been much more interesting if he'd addressed his side of things like the Jericho feud in 2000 and the Booker T angle from 2003.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Sept 30, 2013 9:02:30 GMT -5
In fairness, HHH is a pretty squeaky clean guy.
Began working out at a young age. Turned that into a job right out of school. Trained diligently to become a wrestler. Became a wrestler. Not a smoker, drinker, drug abuser, etc. Worked incredibly hard to be the best possible at his job. Fell in love. Got married. Continued to devote time to wrestling/family. Learning to take over the family business.
What, exactly, is there to criticize him for? Allowing himself to be booked at the top of the card? Getting heat in such a way that even the "cheer for the heels" guys don't cheer for him?
JR's line about being a "hall of fame human being"? He's right. In the often seedy/shady/dark/crippling world of professional wrestling, HHH has been about as straight an arrow as there's ever been.
I mean, it's his DVD, so you wouldn't expect him to be "buried" on it. But there aren't a whole lot of people with much negative to say about him. And if they DO say something negative, it almost universally seems to be bait for selling shoot DVDs and such.
He'd probably be viewed better by longtime, hardcore fans...if he hadn't been SUCH an effective heel for so damn long. In fact, I'll go on record as saying THIS. HHH isn't anywhere near as popular or important as the WWE makes him out to be. He's not on the level of Hogan, Andre, Austin, Rock, or even John Cena. But he's the best HEEL of all time.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 30, 2013 11:48:25 GMT -5
In fairness, HHH is a pretty squeaky clean guy. Began working out at a young age. Turned that into a job right out of school. Trained diligently to become a wrestler. Became a wrestler. Not a smoker, drinker, drug abuser, etc. Worked incredibly hard to be the best possible at his job. Fell in love. Got married. Continued to devote time to wrestling/family. Learning to take over the family business. What, exactly, is there to criticize him for? Allowing himself to be booked at the top of the card? Getting heat in such a way that even the "cheer for the heels" guys don't cheer for him? JR's line about being a "hall of fame human being"? He's right. In the often seedy/shady/dark/crippling world of professional wrestling, HHH has been about as straight an arrow as there's ever been. I mean, it's his DVD, so you wouldn't expect him to be "buried" on it. But there aren't a whole lot of people with much negative to say about him. And if they DO say something negative, it almost universally seems to be bait for selling shoot DVDs and such. He'd probably be viewed better by longtime, hardcore fans...if he hadn't been SUCH an effective heel for so damn long. In fact, I'll go on record as saying THIS. HHH isn't anywhere near as popular or important as the WWE makes him out to be. He's not on the level of Hogan, Andre, Austin, Rock, or even John Cena. But he's the best HEEL of all time. That I can agree with. From his initial run as The Game, to the McMahon/Helmsley Era, to Evolution, and even now as a disingenuous corporate suit, Hunner's one of the best villains in wrestling history.
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 30, 2013 16:10:49 GMT -5
In fairness, HHH is a pretty squeaky clean guy. Began working out at a young age. Turned that into a job right out of school. Trained diligently to become a wrestler. Became a wrestler. Not a smoker, drinker, drug abuser, etc. Worked incredibly hard to be the best possible at his job. Fell in love. Got married. Continued to devote time to wrestling/family. Learning to take over the family business. What, exactly, is there to criticize him for? Allowing himself to be booked at the top of the card? Getting heat in such a way that even the "cheer for the heels" guys don't cheer for him? JR's line about being a "hall of fame human being"? He's right. In the often seedy/shady/dark/crippling world of professional wrestling, HHH has been about as straight an arrow as there's ever been. I mean, it's his DVD, so you wouldn't expect him to be "buried" on it. But there aren't a whole lot of people with much negative to say about him. And if they DO say something negative, it almost universally seems to be bait for selling shoot DVDs and such. He'd probably be viewed better by longtime, hardcore fans...if he hadn't been SUCH an effective heel for so damn long. In fact, I'll go on record as saying THIS. HHH isn't anywhere near as popular or important as the WWE makes him out to be. He's not on the level of Hogan, Andre, Austin, Rock, or even John Cena. But he's the best HEEL of all time. Exactly my thoughts. I will say that there probably wont be a WWE-released documentary on HHH that changes the mind of anyone who thinks he's held down guys or thinks he married into his success. But at some point, you really gotta consider that maybe the reason not many people say anything bad about HHH is because he's legit a good guy. I mean, there's a couple moments where he admits something was bad (HHH vs. Orton at WM 25 being a big one) so there are moments of criticism, but we were never going to hear thoughts of the "Reign of Terror" or the thing with Chyna, or any of that and honestly, I don't really think there's any point in bringing that stuff up.
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