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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 16:47:40 GMT -5
I don't see him as a main eventer but if he gets all the tools down and connects with the audience then sure he can just like anybody else could
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 16:55:46 GMT -5
Nah, he's just not that good.
Plus I want the PTP to be together forever. The best thing to come out of Darren's coming out was them FINALLY turning face.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 16:56:58 GMT -5
Only if they finally pull the pin on that Cena vs. Bizarro Cena angle that we were promised.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 25, 2013 17:15:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately, he'll never be able to achieve any level of success in the business without a contingent of people saying it's only happening because he's gay. It's even been said because the PTP got a failed tag team title shot, which they also had long before he came out. They're not even the biggest tag team in the "Yes Union", for smeg's sake.
And people are convinced that it can NEVER EVER BE MENTIONED ITS NOT PART OF HIS CHARACTER, because all the times that Randy Orton's straightness and wives have been mentioned were totally necessary for his character, for example.
It's kind of sad.
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Post by frogsplash45 on Sept 25, 2013 17:46:25 GMT -5
Unfortunately, he'll never be able to achieve any level of success in the business without a contingent of people saying it's only happening because he's gay. It's even been said because the PTP got a failed tag team title shot, which they also had long before he came out. They're not even the biggest tag team in the "Yes Union", for smeg's sake. And people are convinced that it can NEVER EVER BE MENTIONED ITS NOT PART OF HIS CHARACTER, because all the times that Randy Orton's straightness and wives have been mentioned were totally necessary for his character, for example. It's kind of sad. If "sad" is the word you're going to use to describe this situation, then I'm sorry, but that seems highly pessimistic. Reception to this whole thing has left Darren overjoyed, and to focus in on a few bad eggs is just... I don't know... it seems very "Woe is Darren". There will always be futile criticisms thrown any wrestler's way. Darren's not coming off of this thing a victim. He's coming off a winner. And I'm nothing but happy for him.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Sept 25, 2013 18:57:31 GMT -5
He could in that "anyone could and you never know who will" kind of way and his being good publicity because of his sexuality will certainly be good for his career but I don't think he'd ever get much higher than Kofi's current level.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 23:51:15 GMT -5
Darren Young doesn't really do much. When he came out as gay it made sense to go ahead and use the PTP, since there was/is more interest in the team.
Most of the mannerisms in the team are on Titus though. They aren't going to move Darren Young up the card because of coming out. What we've seen is probably about all there will be on that front. Young is probably the Jannety of the team long term though. He hasn't really shown much character ever since he joined the company and through his entire PTP run. Mainly just follows Titus' lead.
He's really not bad in the ring either but for him to get anywhere beyond this eventually, he's going to have to display a character. Right now, he doesn't have one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 0:38:27 GMT -5
Ever?
Maybe in a few years he'll have found a character that people love, whilst having found his niche as far as in-ring-psychology.
Right now? No, not due to any flaws(he's solid/good in ring) but because he's in a tag team that makes both guys seem great as they cover up each other's weaknesses.
As others have said if we had to call a more likely main eventer right now it'd be Titus due to the connection he has with the audience in every match, he knows how to perform and when, but hell, if wrestling's biggest/most recognisable NA stars were that easy to call in regards to the long term we'd have no Rock ("Die Rocky Die"), no Stone Cold (one time Ringmaster), no Hulk Hogan, no Ric Flair (broken back), no Ultimate Warrior (often mocked for blowing up before every match/possibly incapable of performing in big matches), no Ted Dibiase Snr (as good a wrestler as he was pre-WWE his Million Dollar Man character is what people know and love), no Kane (one time Isaac Yankem/Fake Diesel) etc.
Maybe one day Darren Young will be face of the company, more random things have happened in pro-wrestling.
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 26, 2013 0:53:24 GMT -5
he's on The Main Event all the time
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 26, 2013 1:40:52 GMT -5
How is the us belt attainable, but the ic belt almost unachievable?
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Post by audiencewatching on Sept 26, 2013 3:58:27 GMT -5
Needs more time to become a character, right now hes just a tag team man. I know nothing about his character or convictions because the undercard never get stories anymore.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 26, 2013 7:05:57 GMT -5
Unfortunately, he'll never be able to achieve any level of success in the business without a contingent of people saying it's only happening because he's gay. It's even been said because the PTP got a failed tag team title shot, which they also had long before he came out. They're not even the biggest tag team in the "Yes Union", for smeg's sake. And people are convinced that it can NEVER EVER BE MENTIONED ITS NOT PART OF HIS CHARACTER, because all the times that Randy Orton's straightness and wives have been mentioned were totally necessary for his character, for example. It's kind of sad. There's a difference between mentioning it in storyline. If they had a storyline with Young, which happened to involve, say, a heel beating the shit out of his boyfriend, then sure, that's fine. Same as a heel taking Randy's wife hostage or whatever has happened to the first twelve of them or so. But you don't see Randy walking down to the ring with the announcers saying 'Here comes the former seven time WWE champion, let us remind you that he only has sex with women!' That's what I was referring to. If you have a legitimate storyline reason for mentioning that Young is gay, that doesn't involve a heel using his homosexuality against him (as opposed to using his relationship against him, which is different), then fine, because then the second the angle with the relationship is over, you can stop mentioning that he's gay. The other danger is that if you did, for example, use Young as a righteous gay babyface who beats a heel, you may eventually want to turn him heel, and that means that you have a character, with one key characteristic of said character being that he's gay, who is inherently evil, and that's kind of sending the wrong message according to many people. I personally don't think it necessarily has to be so damning but in an industry like wrestling which has generally shown itself to be quite prejudiced, it's counter-productive.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 26, 2013 7:06:08 GMT -5
edit: Double post
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Sept 26, 2013 8:24:28 GMT -5
If Miz can anybody can.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 26, 2013 9:23:31 GMT -5
Always an outside shot, but the guy seems more like the "reliable long-term midcarder" type, and there's nothing wrong with that. Pretty much, he's never shown anything yet to imagine he'll be a full time main eventer. Sold midcard ain't a bad place to be.
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Post by Essential1 on Sept 26, 2013 11:44:45 GMT -5
Not realy. Not all gay people are good people.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 26, 2013 11:49:01 GMT -5
No it's only because of his hair. His fro looks dumb and his troll hair was worse.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 26, 2013 11:54:53 GMT -5
Not realy. Not all gay people are good people. Yeah, the villain of the last Bond movie was gay, right? I think we're cool with having gay super-villains now.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 26, 2013 11:56:36 GMT -5
To be honest, I think the only way he main events a PPV is in an Elimination Chamber match. That is the way that Mike Knox has main evented a PPV. It has nothing to do with Young being gay. I just don't think he is ever going to get over enough. Then again, I did not ever think Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw or Skip Sheffield would main event any PPVs either, so what the hell do I know?
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Post by Juice on Sept 26, 2013 12:43:01 GMT -5
The Primetime Players need each other. I agree that Titus can fire up a crowd. But he is lost in the ring. He is an over sized David otunga as far as ring awareness. He needs a lot of conditioning. Young is a good hand in the ring, but has not shown much charisma. Together they shine, apart they will both fail.
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