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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 25, 2013 7:44:35 GMT -5
Seems like there is a lot of sympathy for them. Yeah, they are a good team and they have been very well booked up to now. But nonetheless, they are the heels-the heels do eventually have to lose. That is kind of how it works.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 7:47:52 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is above the simplistic face or heel classification. The man deserves admiration from all fans and the whole WWE Universe should've felt cheated once he was pinned.
Same with Dean Ambrose.
Third member is still a heel because he doesn't matter.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 25, 2013 8:18:53 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is above the simplistic face or heel classification. The man deserves admiration from all fans and the whole WWE Universe should've felt cheated once he was pinned. Same with Dean Ambrose. Third member is still a heel because he doesn't matter. ...I rest my case. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 8:22:23 GMT -5
So Cloud is the heel and Sephiroth is the face right?
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 25, 2013 8:28:16 GMT -5
So Daniel Bryan is the heel and Randy Orton is the face right? In the bizarro world, yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 8:58:21 GMT -5
I haven't really seen any sympathy for them.
Are you talking about here or somewhere else?
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 25, 2013 9:04:29 GMT -5
Even the face commentators were sympathizing with them to a degree the other night. Soundin' real heelish.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Sept 25, 2013 9:06:04 GMT -5
The Shield is a bunch of terrible and dangerous persons. They beat up people with the advantage of number most of the time and they should receive a major comeupance and hard beatings by the faces.
But yeah, they're awesome in the ring that's why most of people like them (myself included). But root for them no, and I hope the crowds will not.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 25, 2013 9:47:59 GMT -5
And BTW, this is not meant as "you aren't supposed to like them!" The Shield are awesome in the ring and their booking has been superb. But yeah, they are the heels, so you should know where this is going. They are going to start losing eventually.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 25, 2013 10:05:37 GMT -5
Seems like there is a lot of sympathy for them. Yeah, they are a good team and they have been very well booked up to now. But nonetheless, they are the heels-the heels do eventually have to lose. That is kind of how it works. Only because another heel inexplicably punished them for unknown reasons Heels are supposed to lose, but when the face overcomes the challenge they present A 3-on-11 handicap match made the supposed heels look heroic rather than the faces. |
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Sept 25, 2013 11:16:18 GMT -5
Seems like there is a lot of sympathy for them. Yeah, they are a good team and they have been very well booked up to now. But nonetheless, they are the heels-the heels do eventually have to lose. That is kind of how it works. Only because another heel inexplicably punished them for unknown reasons Heels are supposed to lose, but when the face overcomes the challenge they present A 3-on-11 handicap match made the supposed heels look heroic rather than the faces. Because the teacher is supposed to feel sympathy for the playground bully when the entire third grade class has had enough of his shenanigans? Hardly. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 11:39:34 GMT -5
Only because another heel inexplicably punished them for unknown reasons Heels are supposed to lose, but when the face overcomes the challenge they present A 3-on-11 handicap match made the supposed heels look heroic rather than the faces. Because the teacher is supposed to feel sympathy for the playground bully when the entire third grade class has had enough of his shenanigans? Hardly. But in this case, it was the teacher (HHH) who gave the bully the authority to bully the entire class and basically laughed while the bully tortured them. Then the teacher took away that authority and basically organized the 3rd grade class against the bully. Is the bully still a bully? Yes, but more than that, the bully is just a pawn in someone else's more nefarious game. Also, JUSTICE |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 11:57:56 GMT -5
There is a part of me that admires how, essentially, three rookies came together and terrorized the entire locker room for months, cleanly winning major ppv matches in adverse conditions like TLC and cage matches, when you had superstars with literally a decade plus and more experience unable to do anything about it. They bent the rules, broke them when necessary, ran away when they were at a disadvantage but there is something impressive about three guys who out Nexus'd the Nexus, beating guys like John Cena, the Undertaker, Daniel Bryan, and others like they owned them money.
Yeah, they're heels but they made much more experienced faces look stupid for a long time using good strategy.
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 25, 2013 12:52:14 GMT -5
*Vickie puts them in a gauntlet against 11 men, one at a time, which will eventually tire them out.
*Triple H stops them mid-gauntlet, and then switches it up to a trios match, which they lose.
*Triple H and Stephanie then book them in an 11 on 3 elimination handicap match.
*The Shield are annoyed at this, but decide to take the match anyway.
*The Shield then go on a big run, eliminating many of the other team in impressive fashion before the Usos manage to pick off Reigns.
*Ambrose and Rollins knock off another guy, before Ziggler manages to pin Ambrose.
*Rollins finds himself in there with five men, but manages to beat R-Truth before all hell breaks loose and he's left alone with Bryan, who beats him.
Other than some guys having injuries, I can't see any way how the Shield could possibly be viewed as heels there. And given that Trips has started to go to the Wyatt Family for specific jobs, I don't think it'll be too long before the Shield have had enough and give Triple H the Triple Powerbomb.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 25, 2013 13:08:12 GMT -5
*Vickie puts them in a gauntlet against 11 men, one at a time, which will eventually tire them out. *Triple H stops them mid-gauntlet, and then switches it up to a trios match, which they lose. *Triple H and Stephanie then book them in an 11 on 3 elimination handicap match. *The Shield are annoyed at this, but decide to take the match anyway. *The Shield then go on a big run, eliminating many of the other team in impressive fashion before the Usos manage to pick off Reigns. *Ambrose and Rollins knock off another guy, before Ziggler manages to pin Ambrose. *Rollins finds himself in there with five men, but manages to beat R-Truth before all hell breaks loose and he's left alone with Bryan, who beats him. Other than some guys having injuries, I can't see any way how the Shield could possibly be viewed as heels there. And given that Trips has started to go to the Wyatt Family for specific jobs, I don't think it'll be too long before the Shield have had enough and give Triple H the Triple Powerbomb. I think this whole thing with H perhaps pushing Shield past their limits is going to inevitably lead to the trio joining the opposition against H, but not officially part of the face group. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 25, 2013 13:08:25 GMT -5
Only because another heel inexplicably punished them for unknown reasons Heels are supposed to lose, but when the face overcomes the challenge they present A 3-on-11 handicap match made the supposed heels look heroic rather than the faces. Because the teacher is supposed to feel sympathy for the playground bully when the entire third grade class has had enough of his shenanigans? Hardly. How many teachers use the playground bullies as their personal bodyguards? |
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Post by mrjl on Sept 25, 2013 14:37:48 GMT -5
Because the teacher is supposed to feel sympathy for the playground bully when the entire third grade class has had enough of his shenanigans? Hardly. But in this case, it was the teacher (HHH) who gave the bully the authority to bully the entire class and basically laughed while the bully tortured them. Then the teacher took away that authority and basically organized the 3rd grade class against the bully. Is the bully still a bully? Yes, but more than that, the bully is just a pawn in someone else's more nefarious game. Also, JUSTICE they were bullying the roster long before Trips was playing heel |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 14:50:38 GMT -5
But in this case, it was the teacher (HHH) who gave the bully the authority to bully the entire class and basically laughed while the bully tortured them. Then the teacher took away that authority and basically organized the 3rd grade class against the bully. Is the bully still a bully? Yes, but more than that, the bully is just a pawn in someone else's more nefarious game. Also, JUSTICE they were bullying the roster long before Trips was playing heel Oh I agree 100%. Like I said, the bully is still a bully, but now under some bigger, more dastardly bully's thumb. |
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Post by Chip on Sept 25, 2013 14:54:26 GMT -5
Bigger heels have turned face over less. Though really, this is all fitting nicely into my fantasy booking so I'm content.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 25, 2013 14:57:40 GMT -5
I can understand the hate for this, but I really think this is the way you get a shitload of people over at once.
Big Show was a heel in the 2004 Royal Rumble against a load of babyfaces and a heel or two acting as a face. Just because Big Show is Big Show that doesn't make him a babyface.
While Show may be a poor example (because he's f'ing massive) if you compare booking strength, this was still pretty evenly match.
Toe to toe, Shield would kick the shit out of almost everyone on the other team aside from maybe Bryan, Ziggler and an injured RVD. I think this got everyone over. Lower and mid carders got a chance to shine against heels who massively outclass them. The heels look like monsters.
And again, the crowd popped for this shit. Stone Cold did horrible awful shit all the time but he got over, therefore he is the babyface. Cactus Jack turned heel on Erik Watts by twatting him with a shovel if I remember rightly, and instantly became a babyface. The only time this does not apply is when John Cena is involved. The audience decides who's a heel really.
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