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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 1, 2013 10:37:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember his awesome ECW days. Didn't he win a Cyber Sunday poll to face Punk? or was it Christian? Damn my memory. I just remember him getting twice as many votes as Morrison. Whatever it was, it wasn't on the Cyber Sunday PPV as the last one of those was months before he started his singles run. |
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Post by Grennel on Oct 1, 2013 10:38:42 GMT -5
I'm sure there was an ECW vote at some point that Ryder won... I think Shelton was in the poll also.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 1, 2013 10:44:07 GMT -5
It was a "Choose a partner" poll on the 2010 Viewer's Choice RAW (the one with the debut of The Nexus). He won out over William Regal and Dolph Ziggler for the right to team with The Miz against John Morrison and R-Truth, who won a similar poll over Christian and MVP.
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Post by Young Game on Oct 1, 2013 10:47:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I remember his awesome ECW days. Didn't he win a Cyber Sunday poll to face Punk? or was it Christian? Damn my memory. I just remember him getting twice as many votes as Morrison. Whatever it was, it wasn't on the Cyber Sunday PPV as the last one of those was months before he started his singles run. Taboo Tuesday? Wireless Wednesday? TCP/IP Thursday? |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 1, 2013 14:33:40 GMT -5
It's me or he is in a better position than some time ago? even though he was defeated quickly at the 11 vs 3 match, he still got his offensive and made his signature chant, and now to be in a semi competitive match with del rio is still better than some months ago Seriously he got a semi competitive match against a world champion, second tier as the WHC is it is still treated as a world title in kayfabe. Though I have a feeling next week he'll be jobbed out again to Ryback or something in 5 seconds. Yeah, this is one thing that kind of bothers me. One of the things that I've noticed about the product is that with the absences of talent, rather than having the entire roster step up to varying extents, they stretch out the TV time of everyone who was already being somewhat featured anyway. So now that most of the main eventers are either injured or written off TV, Ryder is jobbing three times a week instead of just once or twice every other week rather than putting all the jobber faces in a rotation. While I'm glad that Ryder's being booked a little better, it kind of bugs me that WWE seems to be using him to undercut all the other low card faces and I'm worried that once Cody, Miz, Henry, Kane, Sheamus, etc. are all back on TV, he'll be back to getting squashed in shorter matches. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 1, 2013 14:56:22 GMT -5
Zack is an ok wrestler in the perfect spot for him now.
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Post by sybaku on Oct 1, 2013 15:33:13 GMT -5
Zack Ryder has begun his second loop on the 8 Step Path of Popularity
Step 1
Develop interesting gimmick/catchphrase/move-set
Step 2
Be underutilized
Step 3
Develop cult following which demands you be used
Step 4
Be used and get a push
Step 5
Push is well received by management precede to Step 6a otherwise go to step 6b
Step 6a
Take your place as a Upper Mid Card, you will be cheered by the masses and have an online presence however you will soon be forgotten for the newest IWC sensation, precede to step 7
Step 6b
Management deems your push a "failure" for a variety of reasons be they you actually suck, they booked you in horrible storylines, you did something stupid, or you didn't RESPECT DIS BUSINESS!!!
Step 7
Your fame now gone you have been reduced to a jobber to the stars, your old fanbase now considers you antiquated and will make up any reason as to why you "Always sucked" despite chanting your name a scant few months before
Step 8
You make a last ditch effort to rekindle your flame, this is normally a terrible failure however in certain situations (hereby known as the Mark Henry Anomaly) you succeed and rekindle your flame forever endearing yourself in the hearts of millions, otherwise you flame out and either die, quit wrestling, become an "actor", or be pushed to a backstage role.
Ryder has somehow jumped from Step 8 all the way back to Step 1 thus beginning his 8 steps all over again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 15:39:11 GMT -5
Flat out, I just don't think he's very good. He's an average wrestler. No more, no less. Compared to the roster he's on, I'd say he's a bit below average in the ring. He's smallish but not all that athletic, not much of a technical guy, and he moves around so stiffly. I think he's looked the exact same as of late with no noticeable improvement, other than being promoted from losing in 2 minutes to Del Rio to losing in 4 minutes to Del Rio. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 1, 2013 16:05:33 GMT -5
Flat out, I just don't think he's very good. He's an average wrestler. No more, no less. Compared to the roster he's on, I'd say he's a bit below average in the ring. He's smallish but not all that athletic, not much of a technical guy, and he moves around so stiffly. I think he's looked the exact same as of late with no noticeable improvement, other than being promoted from losing in 2 minutes to Del Rio to losing in 4 minutes to Del Rio. In regards to his size, Ryder is currently trying to gain weight. I think his goal is to be 15-20 lbs heavier, although I do admit that I'm worried that such muscle gain might be a bit of a hindrance. He isn't as athletic as a Justin Gabriel, Evan Bourne, Tyson Kidd or even an Alex Riley (who CAN move quickly with that extra mass), but Zack is athletic enough. To me the way Ryder moves has this weird "bounciness" to it. He's capable enough that he COULD incorporate more athletic maneuvers into his repertoire if he wanted to. He does do a pretty SSSSSIIIIIIIICCCKKKKK somersault plancha. I do agree that he looks the same, but that makes me sad. I would be okay with Ryder never being elevated if it meant he got to have real feuds and programs with his peers instead of just jobbing all the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 16:26:24 GMT -5
Compared to the roster he's on, I'd say he's a bit below average in the ring. He's smallish but not all that athletic, not much of a technical guy, and he moves around so stiffly. I think he's looked the exact same as of late with no noticeable improvement, other than being promoted from losing in 2 minutes to Del Rio to losing in 4 minutes to Del Rio. In regards to his size, Ryder is currently trying to gain weight. I think his goal is to be 15-20 lbs heavier, although I do admit that I'm worried that such muscle gain might be a bit of a hindrance. He isn't as athletic as a Justin Gabriel, Evan Bourne, Tyson Kidd or even an Alex Riley, but Zack is athletic enough. To me the way Ryder moves has this weird "bounciness" to it. He's capable enough that he COULD incorporate more athletic maneuvers into his repertoire if he wanted to. He does do a pretty SSSSSIIIIIIIICCCKKKKK somersault plancha. I do agree that he looks the same, but that makes me sad. I would be okay with Ryder never being elevated if it meant he got to have real feuds and programs with his peers instead of just jobbing all the time. I agree that putting on weight could be a hinderance, becuase being 15-20 lbs. heavier isn't going to make him a power guy or anything, but it might cut down on his flexibility and lead to injury. His size isn't a problem to me, but I think he could stand to show a bit more athleticism in the ring to stick out. He's capable of strong matches, when he was getting a lot of time in the ring in the US title picture he had a few really good ones. But, from a pure in-ring standpoint, he doesn't really offer anything that anyone else on the roster can't do. His character got over huge before, so maybe he needs to work in some new signature moves and taunts to play off of it...not that he gets much time to do that. Zack could be a bigger part of the picture in WWE, it just doesn't seem like he's got much backing from the decision-makers. I'm not necessarily clamoring for it but it wouldn't bother me, and he's still pretty over so he's always got that. |
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Post by trollrogue on Oct 3, 2013 6:52:11 GMT -5
The fact that he's been systematically buried so hard for the past 2 years after his notable US title win and STILL gets decent crowd pops regardless means he's not a dud/flash-in-the-pan as many try to write him off as. His match with ADR was the highlight of RAW for me, hopefully if he can put in more competitive matches he can believably have great bouts with other higher-card Superstars as it's such a waste to only put such an over wrestler like Zack on for curtain-jerker dark matches.
That said, he really does need to add some new moves to his repertoire like Cena started doing with his STF when the 5-Moves-of-Doom got too stale.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 14:28:27 GMT -5
All Zack really needs to be over again is have a storyline.
Live crowds still like him in general.
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