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Post by wallabylikeyou on Oct 8, 2013 1:39:45 GMT -5
At this point I wouldn't buy Sandow winning the IC belt, never mind a World Title.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 8, 2013 1:43:01 GMT -5
At this point I wouldn't buy Sandow winning the IC belt, never mind a World Title. To be fair, the current Intercontinental Champion is booked to be just as comically inept as Sandow. Sandow doesn't need to cash in on Cena. If the plan is to have Cena and whoever wrestle a unification match, just let Sandow get a bit more buildup and then he can cash in on the unified champion down the line. I can see them reworking the rules to say that the briefcase applies to the unified title. It would also be an additional factor to explain away the briefcase being chocolate instead of SmackDown Blue.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 8, 2013 2:49:00 GMT -5
While Sandow the performer is capable of being a WHC level player, his character isn't on that level right now and I can't see him being successfully repaired to the point where he is by MITB '14. Just can't see it. For that reason him cashing in and then failing to win the title is the best course of action even though it hurts poor Sandow's credibility even more.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Oct 8, 2013 2:55:57 GMT -5
I'd actually love it if Cena and Sandow recreate one of my favorite moments from their spiritual ancestors, and have Sandow somehow beat Cena like the Genius beat Hogan.
Obviously I'd expect Cena to promptly crush him in the rematch. But I'd be laughing and freaking out if Sandow somehow outsmarted Cena into winning the title off of him.
Which should be the point of the character, really. Maybe he can't hang physical skill wise with Cena, but he should be able to outsmart guys like Cena and beat them that way.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 8, 2013 2:59:44 GMT -5
While Sandow the performer is capable of being a WHC level player, his character isn't on that level right now and I can't see him being successfully repaired to the point where he is by MITB '14. Just can't see it. For that reason him cashing in and then failing to win the title is the best course of action even though it hurts poor Sandow's credibility even more. Yeah, even with the WHC's diminished status, he just isn't at that level. I think he should cash in and lose as well. The roster is just way too top heavy and there are too many guys being presented as "main eventers". It's like he only has the briefcase so that someone new could have it. I think Sandow should lose because I feel that WWE needs more guys on the roster who aren't exactly main event, but aren't COMPLETE pushovers either. And that's where Sandow fits best.
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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 8, 2013 3:01:26 GMT -5
Or you know they could build his character. I mean he has until July of next year to cash in.
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Post by nate5054 on Oct 8, 2013 3:33:23 GMT -5
It's sad what the best talker in WWE has been reduced to.
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Post by M. Dirrty on Oct 8, 2013 5:18:21 GMT -5
Is it out the question for Del Rio to go the cheap DQ route and Cena going AA and STF on him after?
*cue Sandow music*
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Post by deancubed on Oct 8, 2013 14:26:00 GMT -5
LOL no. See what happens is when Cena wins the WHC, it becomes the #1 title, and moves to RAW. Sandow can cash in on Bryan on Smackdown, because they are both B-players on the B-show. Special Guest Ref the Big Show.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 8, 2013 15:06:21 GMT -5
Or you know they could build his character. I mean he has until July of next year to cash in. Exactly. Let him slowly show he can hang with Cena with a brief feud towards the end of the year heading into Rumble season, and then... ...oh no, wait, my unification plan kinda skunks up the point of the Rumble match, doesn't it? I guess the two champs could unify the titles midway through Wrestlemania, and then the Rumble winner could face them to close the show- of course, after opening the show in a singles match, sorta like the same deal that happened at WM10. Yeah. Let's say Punk wins the Rumble, Cena and Bryan unify the titles midway through, then Punk beats Bryan to become undisputed champ (yeah, I have Bryan going over Cena again). Then a rebuilt Sandow cashes in some time after Mania and wins the title.
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Post by Instant Classic on Oct 8, 2013 15:10:42 GMT -5
Or you know they could build his character. I mean he has until July of next year to cash in. Exactly. Let him slowly show he can hang with Cena with a brief feud towards the end of the year heading into Rumble season, and then... ...oh no, wait, my unification plan kinda skunks up the point of the Rumble match, doesn't it? I guess the two champs could unify the titles midway through Wrestlemania, and then the Rumble winner could face them to close the show- of course, after opening the show in a singles match, sorta like the same deal that happened at WM10. Yeah. Let's say Punk wins the Rumble, Cena and Bryan unify the titles midway through, then Punk beats Bryan to become undisputed champ (yeah, I have Bryan going over Cena again). Then a rebuilt Sandow cashes in some time after Mania and wins the title. I'd love for the titles to be unified, but if they are by Mania, I hope Sandow cashes in before then and either loses or wins the title but then loses it a month later. If no unification, then he can cash in after Mania.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 15:12:46 GMT -5
Sandow getting a cheap win over Cena does nothing to elevate his character. It would be just another of those pointless Swagger/Ziggler/whoever else reigns for a month or two before Cena decides to go all Superman on him and send him back to jobber status faster than a speeding bullet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 15:28:41 GMT -5
Its fresh. I like it.
As long as it doesn't play out like Cena booking 101 it should be fun. Sandow can cut a lot of promos about how Cena fans can't use proper grammar (U Can't C Me) and stuff like that.
"Rise above your own IGNORANCE!" t-shirts would be awesome.
Though a proper Ziggler vs Sandow feud would be fun too.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 8, 2013 15:47:50 GMT -5
Say what you will about Del Rio, but he seems to have really good chemistry with Cena in the ring (note the 2012 Raw street fight, followed by the Miracle on 34th Street one). I'm hapy with the feud going on for a few months until Sandow cashes in around the holiday season. Actually, I'm hoping Cena holds it until Mania so we can possibly get a unification match between him and Bryan (especially if we're getting Lesnar vs. Undertaker). Del Rio has great chemistry with just about everyone. Like I've said before, Del Rio seems to suffer from "New ROH Syndrome" where he's always firing on all cylinders unless he has a mic in his hand. Also, a unification match between those two would be awesome, regardless of the winner. Still'd pull for Bryan, though.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 9, 2013 16:22:45 GMT -5
There's one big problem with Sandow cashing in on Cena. If Sandow takes the title from Cena and "re-injures" him, then Cena has to feud with him for revenge. But if Cena feuds with him, he has to win the belt back because he's Cena, so WWE will end up not booking the feud so as to protect both guys (read. to keep the belt on Sandow without making Cena "look weak"). And if Cena isn't booked to try to get revenge and win the World Title back because he has "more important matters to attend to", it only serves to damage Sandow and the title further.
I know a lot of people, myself included, have posted scenarios saying "so and so should win the World Heavyweight Title because it's only the World Heavyweight Title", but Damien Sandow cash in on John Cena would possibly be the final nail in the coffin for the belt.
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Post by deancubed on Oct 12, 2013 2:42:00 GMT -5
There's one big problem with Sandow cashing in on Cena. If Sandow takes the title from Cena and "re-injures" him, then Cena has to feud with him for revenge. But if Cena feuds with him, he has to win the belt back because he's Cena, so WWE will end up not booking the feud so as to protect both guys (read. to keep the belt on Sandow without making Cena "look weak"). And if Cena isn't booked to try to get revenge and win the World Title back because he has "more important matters to attend to", it only serves to damage Sandow and the title further. I know a lot of people, myself included, have posted scenarios saying "so and so should win the World Heavyweight Title because it's only the World Heavyweight Title", but Damien Sandow cash in on John Cena would possibly be the final nail in the coffin for the belt. Unless Sandow loses the title to a face (I choose MIZ), while Cena is out injured after the cash-in. Then Cena has no reason to pursue the WHC. He can still fight Sandow for revenge if he wants but it will be non-title, likely on a RAW.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 12, 2013 2:59:15 GMT -5
There's one big problem with Sandow cashing in on Cena. If Sandow takes the title from Cena and "re-injures" him, then Cena has to feud with him for revenge. But if Cena feuds with him, he has to win the belt back because he's Cena, so WWE will end up not booking the feud so as to protect both guys (read. to keep the belt on Sandow without making Cena "look weak"). And if Cena isn't booked to try to get revenge and win the World Title back because he has "more important matters to attend to", it only serves to damage Sandow and the title further. I know a lot of people, myself included, have posted scenarios saying "so and so should win the World Heavyweight Title because it's only the World Heavyweight Title", but Damien Sandow cash in on John Cena would possibly be the final nail in the coffin for the belt. Unless Sandow loses the title to a face (I choose MIZ), while Cena is out injured after the cash-in. Then Cena has no reason to pursue the WHC. He can still fight Sandow for revenge if he wants but it will be non-title, likely on a RAW. I think Sandow should fail his cash in, since he's far from ready to be a world champ, even in the WHC's diminished state. I think a Sandow cash in will only serve to fully confirm the World Title's status as a glorified upper midcard title. The World Title will always be seen as a consolation prize for people who aren't "ready" or "good enough" to be WWE Champion, and that hurts the belt and the people who compete for it. And because of that I'd rather see Cena kill it off. Maybe Cena can win, then disappear with the belt like Rock did with the WWE Title and complete his recovery, and then come back without it. Let Cena be the "Final World Heavyweight Champion", one last accolade to add to his legacy. I'd rather see Miz be pushed all the way to the WWE Title again, or becoming Intercontinental Champion again. He's got notoriety and casuals still think he's "important", so he can give that belt the rub that it needs.
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Post by DIIV on Oct 12, 2013 3:34:17 GMT -5
I just don't want Sandow to lose the cash-in attempt then fade into oblivion.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 12, 2013 4:01:16 GMT -5
I just don't want Sandow to lose the cash-in attempt then fade into oblivion. I don't see Sandow fading into oblivion if he fails. IMO that would indicate that he'd fall down to low card status and be on the same level as Ryder or 3MB and I don't see that happening no matter how much Sandow loses. As much as he jobs, it's clear that Sandow is still in a fairly high spot in the pecking order.
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Post by JTH on Oct 12, 2013 6:17:20 GMT -5
...Cody Rhodes?
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