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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 21, 2013 7:14:33 GMT -5
This entire time Show has been involved in the angle because he was on Bryan's side, I think Show is just using Bryan's taunt to celebrate helping Bryan.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 21, 2013 9:50:00 GMT -5
I always thought AJ doing it was annoying, like she couldn't get her own "stuff" to get over.
Big Show... at the moment it still feels organic. If he still does it tonight my opinion could very well change to be similar to AJ.
As far as Del Rio trying to get the Sí chant going, color me surprised that this void of charisma fails at even the most simple of easy pops. I swear he couldn't even get a Mick Foley style cheap pop. Katie Vick was more over than Del Rio has ever been.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Oct 21, 2013 10:17:13 GMT -5
Here's the thing... Is Bryan's main event position and overness really so fragile that something as innocuous as an established talent (Big Show) using his signature taunt to mock a common enemy is DAMAGING to him? I understand that WWE don't deserve "wait and see" or benefit of the doubt with many, and that's perfectly fair, but I just don't buy that anything that doesn't explicitly put only Bryan front and centre of WWE is done to hurt him. I wouldn't say it's damaging, no. But if you ask me, yes, I do think that Bryan's main event position is fragile BECAUSE of his overness and his direct connection with fans with YES and NO. If it wasn't for that, I honestly feel Bryan wouldn't be in the position he's been in over the last several months. That's his signature, and when you break it down, all he really has, despite the fact he puts on amazing matches on an almost weekly basis. Yeah, I've thought about it too, but as others have said, a least Big Show has been in this storyline since the beginning, and has sided with Bryan before. So it can be seen as Show both supporting Bryan and trying to get under The Authority's (what a dull name) skin. Now, if they were to push someone new and had that person doing the taunt and all, without having any real interaction with Bryan prior, THEN you have a case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2013 10:21:42 GMT -5
Well, since he has no money, he has to steal to survive. He's sort of like gimmick Aladdin. If Big Show started coming to the ring on a flying carpet, I might die of happiness.
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Post by Push R Truth on Oct 21, 2013 10:25:16 GMT -5
Well, since he has no money, he has to steal to survive. He's sort of like gimmick Aladdin. If this is what it takes to bring back The Showster and Showkishi, then I'm all for it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 21, 2013 10:37:21 GMT -5
Here's the thing... Is Bryan's main event position and overness really so fragile that something as innocuous as an established talent (Big Show) using his signature taunt to mock a common enemy is DAMAGING to him? I understand that WWE don't deserve "wait and see" or benefit of the doubt with many, and that's perfectly fair, but I just don't buy that anything that doesn't explicitly put only Bryan front and centre of WWE is done to hurt him. I wouldn't say it's damaging, no. But if you ask me, yes, I do think that Bryan's main event position is fragile BECAUSE of his overness and his direct connection with fans with YES and NO. If it wasn't for that, I honestly feel Bryan wouldn't be in the position he's been in over the last several months. That's his signature, and when you break it down, all he really has, despite the fact he puts on amazing matches on an almost weekly basis. The chants definitely got his foot in the door in terms of main event level overness, but I think it's unfair to say that the chants alone are what's keeping him there. It could have easily just been a passing fad like the Fandango-ing and Zack Ryder (booking didn't help, but just roll with me), but he's ridden this momentum for 18 months now. It can't just be the chant alone. That said, they're so entrenched to the guy now that if he stopped doing them, they'll just always follow him, so we'll never know how over he could be now without them.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Oct 21, 2013 10:39:31 GMT -5
Del Rio is worse. It was alright when he was a face and got the crowd chanting "sí " but he still does it as a heel. I don't understand why the heel is trying to get a positive reaction instead of boos. Frankly, personally I just go "I'm fine with Del Rio's SI because it's hilarious."
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Post by BigWill on Oct 21, 2013 10:45:21 GMT -5
Del Rio is worse. It was alright when he was a face and got the crowd chanting "sí " but he still does it as a heel. I don't understand why the heel is trying to get a positive reaction instead of boos. To Mock? But it doesn't really feel that way when the fans end up chanting along with it.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 21, 2013 10:49:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it's damaging, no. But if you ask me, yes, I do think that Bryan's main event position is fragile BECAUSE of his overness and his direct connection with fans with YES and NO. If it wasn't for that, I honestly feel Bryan wouldn't be in the position he's been in over the last several months. That's his signature, and when you break it down, all he really has, despite the fact he puts on amazing matches on an almost weekly basis. The chants definitely got his foot in the door in terms of main event level overness, but I think it's unfair to say that the chants alone are what's keeping him there. It could have easily just been a passing fad like the Fandango-ing and Zack Ryder (booking didn't help, but just roll with me), but he's ridden this momentum for 18 months now. It can't just be the chant alone. That said, they're so entrenched to the guy now that if he stopped doing them, they'll just always follow him, so we'll never know how over he could be now without them. It feels like WWE are trying to Zack Ryder him. It was easy to kill Ryder's overness because Zack, as much as I love him, was a very limited performer and WWE actively and needlessly sought out to expose him as such. They felt the need to Tell us that he sucked and that we were stupid for rooting for such an awful wrestler. Thing is, I knew he sucked and I liked him anyway because he tried his best. Bryan is leagues above Zack and probably wouldn't be hurt THAT badly. But WWE could at least not be dicks and stop attempting to.
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Post by Psychoblue on Oct 21, 2013 16:41:45 GMT -5
The chants definitely got his foot in the door in terms of main event level overness, but I think it's unfair to say that the chants alone are what's keeping him there. It could have easily just been a passing fad like the Fandango-ing and Zack Ryder (booking didn't help, but just roll with me), but he's ridden this momentum for 18 months now. It can't just be the chant alone. That said, they're so entrenched to the guy now that if he stopped doing them, they'll just always follow him, so we'll never know how over he could be now without them. It feels like WWE are trying to Zack Ryder him. It was easy to kill Ryder's overness because Zack, as much as I love him, was a very limited performer and WWE actively and needlessly sought out to expose him as such. They felt the need to Tell us that he sucked and that we were stupid for rooting for such an awful wrestler. Thing is, I knew he sucked and I liked him anyway because he tried his best. Bryan is leagues above Zack and probably wouldn't be hurt THAT badly. But WWE could at least not be dicks and stop attempting to. It's a fine example of WWE not willing to commit to any push they give someone who isn't Cena, Orton, or anyone with 10+ years exposure in the company with the exception being Punk, and even then Punk has been kept quite strong since his debut in 2006 with the Pipe Bomb being the boiling point. Push Miz in the main event? Not for long. Push D-Mac or Barrett in the main event? Not for long. Push Dolph in the main event? Not for long. Push Christian in the main event? Well, to be fair, after that feud with Orton he's been getting injured so frequently that at this point it might be time for him to hang it up. Push Ryback in the main event? Not for long. Push Zack in the midcard? Not for long. So far the only push they've committed to the past 4 years who is still a major player when he wasn't before then are ADR and Sheamus, moreso the former than the latter, but almost everyone else I mentioned on that list was in prime position to be a key challenger for the world titles for years to come until WWE lost interest and moved on to something else.
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Post by PTBartman on Oct 21, 2013 16:47:16 GMT -5
Well, since he has no money, he has to steal to survive. He's sort of like gimmick Aladdin. Show Valjean.
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Post by PTBartman on Oct 21, 2013 16:52:02 GMT -5
Remember when Sheamus was feuding with heel Bryan and mocked him by doing the YES! chant and people on here declared it an "Orwellian" attempt by WWE to appropriate Bryan's heat? Good times. In that instance though there were other shenanigans going on like commentary trying saying yes chants that were obviously for Bryan were in fact for Seamus. This times it seems more organic, especially when you consider that Show has used other people's gimmiks against them before.
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Post by deancubed on Oct 22, 2013 4:18:15 GMT -5
Also, I hated how all those people in the Attitude Era gave each other middle finger taunts. It really hurt Stone Cold because the middle finger was like, all he had when you get right down to it. That fan interaction of giving everyone the finger made him special. I just feel like when other people did it, it hurt Austin's character.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 22, 2013 6:26:15 GMT -5
I don't think Big Show is hurting anything. If anything, this angle needs Big Show. How many of us were bored of the weekly Orton beatdowns on Daniel Bryan when nobody but Shield, Steph/HHH, Orton, and Bryan were involved? At least with Big Show, it doesn't feel like he's wanting the attention for himself like some other choices they could've used.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 22, 2013 9:33:38 GMT -5
I don't think Big Show is hurting anything. If anything, this angle needs Big Show. How many of us were bored of the weekly Orton beatdowns on Daniel Bryan when nobody but Shield, Steph/HHH, Orton, and Bryan were involved? At least with Big Show, it doesn't feel like he's wanting the attention for himself like some other choices they could've used. Big Show is being made to look like he's the primary face of this story instead of Bryan. And at times he's booked as Bryan's white knight. If they used anyone else, whether it be Ziggler, Miz, Cody, or some random midcarder, then realistically that person would not be booked above Bryan and Bryan wouldbe in his rightful spot as the focal point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 9:44:06 GMT -5
Be happy he's doing that, and not twerking. When Vince learns what Twerking is in 2021, I'm sure we'll see it. And he'll pick Rosa Mendes to do it. Great.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 22, 2013 9:46:07 GMT -5
Big Show has only "stole" the catchphrase once Unless he was on Smackdown this week, but nothing on Smackdown matters, they've even seemed to of stopped mentioning Smackdown and recapping moments of it on Raw now They also stopped offering checkin stickers on get glue for it... Which I'm pretty sure they still do for Main Event...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 14:32:10 GMT -5
Big Show has only "stole" the catchphrase once Unless he was on Smackdown this week, but nothing on Smackdown matters, they've even seemed to of stopped mentioning Smackdown and recapping moments of it on Raw now They also stopped offering checkin stickers on get glue for it... Which I'm pretty sure they still do for Main Event... :S I didn't understand a word of that
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 22, 2013 14:57:51 GMT -5
Get glue is a social media site where you check in or state what you are watching at the moment. In return you unlock stickers (basically like video game achievements)
WWE used to offer unique ones for all of their shows. They stopped offering it for Smackdown a few weeks ago further cementing how little they care for it.
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